Comments on: Renteria to SF http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/renteria-to-sf/ Daily baseball statistical analysis and commentary Sun, 12 Feb 2012 13:42:16 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Mickey Factz http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/renteria-to-sf/#comment-126388 Mickey Factz Sat, 30 Jan 2010 05:13:10 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=1381#comment-126388 Thank you very much for this! Thank you very much for this!

]]> By: william http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/renteria-to-sf/#comment-53515 william Tue, 25 Nov 2008 02:02:03 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=1381#comment-53515 Jack. I understood what Dave meant, and while I may be no fan of Sabean, he does get a bad rap sometimes, as was pointed out above by OGC Jack. I understood what Dave meant, and while I may be no fan of Sabean, he does get a bad rap sometimes, as was pointed out above by OGC

]]> By: Jim http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/renteria-to-sf/#comment-53511 Jim Tue, 25 Nov 2008 01:47:02 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=1381#comment-53511 Apparently this story has been reported as false. The Giants are interested in Renteria, but he is their fallback plan should they fail to sign Furcal. So, it could still happen, but hasn't as of yet. :) Apparently this story has been reported as false.

The Giants are interested in Renteria, but he is their fallback plan should they fail to sign Furcal.

So, it could still happen, but hasn’t as of yet. :)

]]> By: obsessivegiantscompulsive http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/renteria-to-sf/#comment-53502 obsessivegiantscompulsive Tue, 25 Nov 2008 00:39:17 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=1381#comment-53502 Oh, and, in addition, even while he was spending to win with Bonds, he did not trade away his best prospects, Lowry, Cain, Lincecum, Sanchez, Wilson, Lewis, in order to win with Bonds. The roster is pretty much filled with farm products and the vast majority of prospects he should have kept, he did, with the exception of perhaps Jeremy Accardo, but he will first need to recover from his physical problems and pitch well again to do that. Carlos Villanueva looks like another if he can continue to develop, and Clay Hensley was looking like one until last season (hence my caveat on Carlos). Obviously, Nathan was one that got away, but he wasn't a prospect at the time of the trade, he had a great season and you have to give up something to get an All-Star catcher. Liriano is still a big question mark, and Boof is in the same shoes as Hensley. But for every Nathan, we got a Kent and Schmidt, so I like that ratio, only wimpy risk-adverse GMs never make a bad trade, you just have to make sure your good ones more than make up for your bad ones. Sabean has. Oh, and, in addition, even while he was spending to win with Bonds, he did not trade away his best prospects, Lowry, Cain, Lincecum, Sanchez, Wilson, Lewis, in order to win with Bonds. The roster is pretty much filled with farm products and the vast majority of prospects he should have kept, he did, with the exception of perhaps Jeremy Accardo, but he will first need to recover from his physical problems and pitch well again to do that. Carlos Villanueva looks like another if he can continue to develop, and Clay Hensley was looking like one until last season (hence my caveat on Carlos).

Obviously, Nathan was one that got away, but he wasn’t a prospect at the time of the trade, he had a great season and you have to give up something to get an All-Star catcher. Liriano is still a big question mark, and Boof is in the same shoes as Hensley. But for every Nathan, we got a Kent and Schmidt, so I like that ratio, only wimpy risk-adverse GMs never make a bad trade, you just have to make sure your good ones more than make up for your bad ones. Sabean has.

]]> By: obsessivegiantscompulsive http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/renteria-to-sf/#comment-53499 obsessivegiantscompulsive Tue, 25 Nov 2008 00:30:01 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=1381#comment-53499 Sabean was under orders to win with Bonds and the only way to do that was to sign the best free agents they could with the money they had available. Some years they had more money, some years they had very little. For a better view of how Sabean would act on his own, see how he handled building the Giants for their 1997-2004 run of winning teams or even last off-season. Not very many free agents signed. He could have signed numerous crappy to mediocre free agents last off-season to fill spots in 1B, 3B, and even 2B, but didn't. And if none of you noticed, the Giants rotation is about as good as they get and, guess what: it's majority home-grown. Bullpen too. Another beautiful analysis Dave. I would have also added commentary about how his strikeout rate and BB/K ratio were both good whether in the lousy first half he had or the great second half he had. His problems batting were clearly related to his poor hitting in May, June, and July. He had a very good April and a great August and September. Perhaps injury, perhaps just a bad stretch of bad luck affecting his BABIP. In addition, he hit poorly in some better offensive parks, and in other instances, not just poor but almost like he was blind. He had low OPS at Chase (D-backs) and US Cellular (ChiSox), two better hitter's parks. He hit massively horrible (under 510 OPS) at KC, LAA, Min, NYY, Oakland, Petco (SD), Safeco (Seattle), AT&T (SF), Tropicana (Rays), and Rangers (Texas). Below 300 OPS at 3 of those parks. But his hitting peripherals suggest that he lost none of his skills as a hitter in 2008 and thus should continue to do as well as he has during his career in 2009. Sabean was under orders to win with Bonds and the only way to do that was to sign the best free agents they could with the money they had available. Some years they had more money, some years they had very little.

For a better view of how Sabean would act on his own, see how he handled building the Giants for their 1997-2004 run of winning teams or even last off-season. Not very many free agents signed. He could have signed numerous crappy to mediocre free agents last off-season to fill spots in 1B, 3B, and even 2B, but didn’t.

And if none of you noticed, the Giants rotation is about as good as they get and, guess what: it’s majority home-grown. Bullpen too.

Another beautiful analysis Dave. I would have also added commentary about how his strikeout rate and BB/K ratio were both good whether in the lousy first half he had or the great second half he had. His problems batting were clearly related to his poor hitting in May, June, and July. He had a very good April and a great August and September. Perhaps injury, perhaps just a bad stretch of bad luck affecting his BABIP.

In addition, he hit poorly in some better offensive parks, and in other instances, not just poor but almost like he was blind. He had low OPS at Chase (D-backs) and US Cellular (ChiSox), two better hitter’s parks. He hit massively horrible (under 510 OPS) at KC, LAA, Min, NYY, Oakland, Petco (SD), Safeco (Seattle), AT&T (SF), Tropicana (Rays), and Rangers (Texas). Below 300 OPS at 3 of those parks.

But his hitting peripherals suggest that he lost none of his skills as a hitter in 2008 and thus should continue to do as well as he has during his career in 2009.

]]> By: Doc K http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/renteria-to-sf/#comment-53495 Doc K Mon, 24 Nov 2008 23:46:40 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=1381#comment-53495 Yeah, I'm in the middle of drafting for my keeper league and just kept looking at 25 or 30 or 35 or 40 and so on so I grabbed Burris rather then wait a few rounds. I admit it, impatient yes, though I have reason to beleive the pick may be fortuitous down the road. Yeah, I’m in the middle of drafting for my keeper league and just kept looking
at 25 or 30 or 35 or 40 and so on so I grabbed Burris rather then wait a few rounds. I admit it, impatient yes, though I have reason to beleive the pick may be fortuitous down the road.

]]> By: Aaron B. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/renteria-to-sf/#comment-53491 Aaron B. Mon, 24 Nov 2008 23:14:09 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=1381#comment-53491 If Renteria is really signed, then Burriss either: a) dukes it out with Frandsen for the 2B job in Spring Training or b) spends next season at AAA, learning how to hit better. There's also a c) option: sits on the bench as the utility guy. Though Sabean/Bochy wouldn't do that... or would they? If Renteria is really signed, then Burriss either: a) dukes it out with Frandsen for the 2B job in Spring Training or b) spends next season at AAA, learning how to hit better.

There’s also a c) option: sits on the bench as the utility guy. Though Sabean/Bochy wouldn’t do that… or would they?

]]> By: JC http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/renteria-to-sf/#comment-53488 JC Mon, 24 Nov 2008 23:00:38 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=1381#comment-53488 A little impatient, Doc? A little impatient, Doc?

]]> By: Doc K http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/renteria-to-sf/#comment-53487 Doc K Mon, 24 Nov 2008 22:53:38 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=1381#comment-53487 Again I'll pose the question. What does this mean for Burris and his opportunity to play this season? Doc K Again I’ll pose the question. What does this mean for Burris and his opportunity to play this season?
Doc K

]]> By: Jack http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/renteria-to-sf/#comment-53486 Jack Mon, 24 Nov 2008 22:46:05 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=1381#comment-53486 Good pont William. But I think you know what he means. Sabean has a hard on for guys past their primes. Renteria may provide value in this instance, but his prime is definitely in the rear view. Good pont William. But I think you know what he means. Sabean has a hard on for guys past their primes. Renteria may provide value in this instance, but his prime is definitely in the rear view.

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