Comments on: Revisiting the Bedard Deal http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/revisiting-the-bedard-deal/ Daily baseball statistical analysis and commentary Sun, 12 Feb 2012 23:03:48 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Dudechris88 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/revisiting-the-bedard-deal/#comment-41099 Dudechris88 Thu, 28 Aug 2008 09:35:39 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/revisiting-the-bedard-deal/#comment-41099 Jones has just as much offensive potential as Young - IMO. Young is hardly helping out the Twins in LF (he was horrible in Tampa out there. Has he gotten better this year?) , while Jones is one of the better defending CFers in the league and has an arm that scouts rate higher than Ichiro's. Jones has just as much offensive potential as Young – IMO.

Young is hardly helping out the Twins in LF (he was horrible in Tampa out there. Has he gotten better this year?) , while Jones is one of the better defending CFers in the league and has an arm that scouts rate higher than Ichiro’s.

]]> By: Steven http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/revisiting-the-bedard-deal/#comment-40481 Steven Sun, 24 Aug 2008 02:35:52 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/revisiting-the-bedard-deal/#comment-40481 It speaks directly to credibility. It speaks directly to credibility.

]]> By: Grant http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/revisiting-the-bedard-deal/#comment-40471 Grant Sat, 23 Aug 2008 20:45:42 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/revisiting-the-bedard-deal/#comment-40471 Dude, Steven, get over it. Dude, Steven, get over it.

]]> By: Steven http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/revisiting-the-bedard-deal/#comment-40427 Steven Sat, 23 Aug 2008 12:26:58 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/revisiting-the-bedard-deal/#comment-40427 Well "Jones is Delmon Young-lite" is closer to being true than "Keppinger is the most valuable player in baseball". Well “Jones is Delmon Young-lite” is closer to being true than “Keppinger is the most valuable player in baseball”.

]]> By: Dave http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/revisiting-the-bedard-deal/#comment-40252 Dave Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:02:25 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/revisiting-the-bedard-deal/#comment-40252 I don't understand how Jones is Delmon Young-lite when he has just as many HRs, a higher SLG and plays CF instead of LF. I don’t understand how Jones is Delmon Young-lite when he has just as many HRs, a higher SLG and plays CF instead of LF.

]]> By: bob http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/revisiting-the-bedard-deal/#comment-40199 bob Fri, 22 Aug 2008 02:40:20 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/revisiting-the-bedard-deal/#comment-40199 Dude, maybe you should consult Dave before writing about the Mariners. Sherrill was never a LOOGY and Adam Jones was nearly as valuable as Bedard, according to many projections, as it was. Throw in the other players and this deal was never close. I must hate myself being a Mariners fan. Maybe I can go get some warm-fuzzies by reading Bakers bad "analysis". Dude, maybe you should consult Dave before writing about the Mariners. Sherrill was never a LOOGY and Adam Jones was nearly as valuable as Bedard, according to many projections, as it was. Throw in the other players and this deal was never close. I must hate myself being a Mariners fan. Maybe I can go get some warm-fuzzies by reading Bakers bad “analysis”.

]]> By: Trev http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/revisiting-the-bedard-deal/#comment-40162 Trev Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:24:56 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/revisiting-the-bedard-deal/#comment-40162 Dear god I just polluted the thread. Anyway, here are the three winners I found: July 18, 1993: San Diego trades Fred McGriff to the Atlanta Braves for Melvin Nieves, Donnie Elliott, and Vince Moore (minors). --Elliot through 32 innings for the Padres, Moore had only ~300 ABs. July 31, 1997: Oakland trades Mark McGwire to the St. Louis Cardinals for Eric Ludwick, T.J. Mathews, and Blake Stein. -- Mathews did a little back of the bullpen work but that's it. November 11, 1997: Florida trades Moises Alou to the Houston Astros for a player to be named later, Manuel Barrios, and Oscar Henriquez. The Houston Astros sent Mark J. Johnson (December 16, 1997) to the Florida Marlins to complete the trade. Dear god I just polluted the thread. Anyway, here are the three winners I found:

July 18, 1993: San Diego trades Fred McGriff to the Atlanta Braves for Melvin Nieves, Donnie Elliott, and Vince Moore (minors).
–Elliot through 32 innings for the Padres, Moore had only ~300 ABs.

July 31, 1997: Oakland trades Mark McGwire to the St. Louis Cardinals for Eric Ludwick, T.J. Mathews, and Blake Stein.
– Mathews did a little back of the bullpen work but that’s it.

November 11, 1997: Florida trades Moises Alou to the Houston Astros for a player to be named later, Manuel Barrios, and Oscar Henriquez. The Houston Astros sent Mark J. Johnson (December 16, 1997) to the Florida Marlins to complete the trade.

]]> By: Trev http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/revisiting-the-bedard-deal/#comment-40161 Trev Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:24:00 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/revisiting-the-bedard-deal/#comment-40161 Looking for trades where established star is traded for multiple (preferably 5+ unestablished player) Jimmy Foxx & Johnny Marcum for Gordon Rhodes and George Savino? --Marcum would give the Red Sox a few years as a solid starter. Both Rhodes and Savino wouldn't make much of an impact March 26, 1992: Milwaukee Brewers trade Gary Sheffield and Geoff Kellogg (minors) to the San Diego Padres for Ricky Bones, Jose Valentin, and Matt Mieske. --Sheffield wasn't exactly an "established" player with only one full season under his belt --Jose Valentin would develop into a decent player. Both Rickey trades? December 5, 1984: Traded by the Oakland Athletics with Bert Bradley and cash to the New York Yankees for Stan Javier, Jay Howell, Jose Rijo, Eric Plunk, and Tim Birtsas. June 21, 1989: Traded by the New York Yankees to the Oakland Athletics for Greg Cadaret, Eric Plunk, and Luis Polonia. --Rijo became an ace, Javier had a17-year career, Howell was a 3-time All-Star closer.. --Plunk was a solid setup man, Polonia would have a career as good as Javier's December 4, 1988: Baltimore trades Eddie Murray to the Los Angeles Dodgers for Juan Bell, Brian Holton, and Ken Howell. --Holton was a decent reliever at the time, but failed in Baltimore --Murray had one season where he won the silver slugger, but his other two seasons as a Dodger were below-average Looking for trades where established star is traded for multiple (preferably 5+ unestablished player)

Jimmy Foxx & Johnny Marcum for Gordon Rhodes and George Savino?
–Marcum would give the Red Sox a few years as a solid starter. Both Rhodes and Savino wouldn’t make much of an impact

March 26, 1992: Milwaukee Brewers trade Gary Sheffield and Geoff Kellogg (minors) to the San Diego Padres for Ricky Bones, Jose Valentin, and Matt Mieske.
–Sheffield wasn’t exactly an “established” player with only one full season under his belt
–Jose Valentin would develop into a decent player.

Both Rickey trades?
December 5, 1984: Traded by the Oakland Athletics with Bert Bradley and cash to the New York Yankees for Stan Javier, Jay Howell, Jose Rijo, Eric Plunk, and Tim Birtsas.
June 21, 1989: Traded by the New York Yankees to the Oakland Athletics for Greg Cadaret, Eric Plunk, and Luis Polonia.
–Rijo became an ace, Javier had a17-year career, Howell was a 3-time All-Star closer..
–Plunk was a solid setup man, Polonia would have a career as good as Javier’s

December 4, 1988: Baltimore trades Eddie Murray to the Los Angeles Dodgers for Juan Bell, Brian Holton, and Ken Howell.
–Holton was a decent reliever at the time, but failed in Baltimore
–Murray had one season where he won the silver slugger, but his other two seasons as a Dodger were below-average

]]> By: Drew http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/revisiting-the-bedard-deal/#comment-40152 Drew Thu, 21 Aug 2008 20:17:57 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/revisiting-the-bedard-deal/#comment-40152 This was just plain mean. I need to start drinking before witnessing the A's lineup come alive against the Mariner's "starting pitching". This was just plain mean. I need to start drinking before witnessing the A’s lineup come alive against the Mariner’s “starting pitching”.

]]> By: Tim http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/revisiting-the-bedard-deal/#comment-40149 Tim Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:33:54 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/revisiting-the-bedard-deal/#comment-40149 I don't want to come off like your high school English teacher, but if you're going to say: "It is rare for a multi-player trade to work out perfectly for a club receiving five “lesser” players in return for one established Major League star..." don't you need to, you know, prove it? Otherwise you're just throwing out a straw man for easy dismissal. I think what you're trying to say is that it's a baseball truism that you don't want to give up the best player in any trade, but that's not what you say. Come to think of it, it'd be an interesting exercise to go back in time and test that. Also, as a M's fan, tanks for nuttin. I don’t want to come off like your high school English teacher, but if you’re going to say: “It is rare for a multi-player trade to work out perfectly for a club receiving five “lesser” players in return for one established Major League star…” don’t you need to, you know, prove it? Otherwise you’re just throwing out a straw man for easy dismissal.

I think what you’re trying to say is that it’s a baseball truism that you don’t want to give up the best player in any trade, but that’s not what you say. Come to think of it, it’d be an interesting exercise to go back in time and test that.

Also, as a M’s fan, tanks for nuttin.

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