Comments on: Rijo’s Unrewarded Brilliance http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/rijos-unrewarded-brilliance/ Daily baseball statistical analysis and commentary Sun, 12 Feb 2012 21:26:01 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Joel http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/rijos-unrewarded-brilliance/#comment-74725 Joel Wed, 06 May 2009 20:27:03 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=4738#comment-74725 what a waste hu what a waste hu

]]> By: Sabertooth http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/rijos-unrewarded-brilliance/#comment-74706 Sabertooth Wed, 06 May 2009 18:25:46 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=4738#comment-74706 I think I recall that in 1980 Mike Norris got off to a great start with the A's, having something like an 0.50 ERA after his first month. I think I recall that in 1980 Mike Norris got off to a great start with the A’s, having something like an 0.50 ERA after his first month.

]]> By: Terry http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/rijos-unrewarded-brilliance/#comment-74685 Terry Wed, 06 May 2009 15:18:08 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=4738#comment-74685 The Reds finished 2nd place several seasons under Pete Rose in the mid to late 80's. The Reds finished 2nd place several seasons under Pete Rose in the mid to late 80′s.

]]> By: B http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/rijos-unrewarded-brilliance/#comment-74678 B Wed, 06 May 2009 13:36:27 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=4738#comment-74678 Jose Rijo pitched in major league baseball after receiving a vote for the Hall of Fame. Jose Rijo pitched in major league baseball after receiving a vote for the Hall of Fame.

]]> By: Dave L. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/rijos-unrewarded-brilliance/#comment-74669 Dave L. Wed, 06 May 2009 10:57:13 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=4738#comment-74669 Funny you should mention ol' Jim. Last night I finally got to see the no-hitter that I missed the first time around because I happened to be at Cooperstown that afternoon. Sixteen years later and knowing exactly what would happen, I still couldn't help but nearly cry when he recorded that final out. It's nice to tie up loose ends. Funny you should mention ol’ Jim. Last night I finally got to see the no-hitter that I missed the first time around because I happened to be at Cooperstown that afternoon. Sixteen years later and knowing exactly what would happen, I still couldn’t help but nearly cry when he recorded that final out.

It’s nice to tie up loose ends.

]]> By: Joe D. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/rijos-unrewarded-brilliance/#comment-74666 Joe D. Wed, 06 May 2009 09:09:33 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=4738#comment-74666 My win-loss turning point was in 1992, at the age of 14. I followed Jim Abbott closely even as a Yankee fan. It seemed that start after start, he'd pitch well and not only not get a win, but get saddled with some ridiculous loss. I figured things would even out by the end of the season for him -- after all, wins and losses told us which pitchers were good, right? -- but no such luck. Abbott finished the season with a 2.77 ERA in 211 innings over 29 starts. Seven wins. FIFTEEN losses. He averaged about seven and a third innings per start, obviously didn't give up many runs, and still lost over half of his starts. Somewhere near the end of that season, it hit me that wins and losses tell us nothing at all about a pitcher. Epilogue: Jimmy got a little back in 1998, winning all five of his starts despite being toast and pitching awfully. My win-loss turning point was in 1992, at the age of 14. I followed Jim Abbott closely even as a Yankee fan. It seemed that start after start, he’d pitch well and not only not get a win, but get saddled with some ridiculous loss.
I figured things would even out by the end of the season for him — after all, wins and losses told us which pitchers were good, right? — but no such luck. Abbott finished the season with a 2.77 ERA in 211 innings over 29 starts. Seven wins. FIFTEEN losses. He averaged about seven and a third innings per start, obviously didn’t give up many runs, and still lost over half of his starts.
Somewhere near the end of that season, it hit me that wins and losses tell us nothing at all about a pitcher.

Epilogue: Jimmy got a little back in 1998, winning all five of his starts despite being toast and pitching awfully.

]]> By: Kyle Boddy http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/rijos-unrewarded-brilliance/#comment-74639 Kyle Boddy Wed, 06 May 2009 02:06:33 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=4738#comment-74639 The rage builds up inside me when I think about those years... The rage builds up inside me when I think about those years…

]]> By: Dan http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/rijos-unrewarded-brilliance/#comment-74623 Dan Tue, 05 May 2009 22:06:45 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=4738#comment-74623 <i>Just more evidence, if you needed any, that a pitcher’s win-loss record is pretty meaningless. </i> Agreed. And yet my fantasy league includes BOTH Ws and Ls. It actually encourages me to reduce starts when I set my lineup for the week. Just more evidence, if you needed any, that a pitcher’s win-loss record is pretty meaningless.

Agreed. And yet my fantasy league includes BOTH Ws and Ls. It actually encourages me to reduce starts when I set my lineup for the week.

]]> By: nickr http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/rijos-unrewarded-brilliance/#comment-74622 nickr Tue, 05 May 2009 22:02:13 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=4738#comment-74622 I remember Nolan Ryan's 1987 season. At that point I realized I win loss records for pitchers was pretty much meaningless I remember Nolan Ryan’s 1987 season. At that point I realized I win loss records for pitchers was pretty much meaningless

]]> By: Joel http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/rijos-unrewarded-brilliance/#comment-74618 Joel Tue, 05 May 2009 21:44:35 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=4738#comment-74618 Check out Clemens when he was with the Astros. Check out Clemens when he was with the Astros.

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