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	<title>Comments on: Roy Halladay&#8217;s Trade Value</title>
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		<title>By: Eyin</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/roy-halladays-trade-value/#comment-86636</link>
		<dc:creator>Eyin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 00:09:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess in all likelihood, Gamel would be moved to 1B or DH, but he&#039;s still an elite left-handed hitter. Parra has been bad for most of this year, but he wasn&#039;t bad last year, and he&#039;s had a few solid starts since coming back from AAA. Who&#039;s going to give them more than that? Surely no one is going to give them a better hitter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess in all likelihood, Gamel would be moved to 1B or DH, but he&#8217;s still an elite left-handed hitter. Parra has been bad for most of this year, but he wasn&#8217;t bad last year, and he&#8217;s had a few solid starts since coming back from AAA. Who&#8217;s going to give them more than that? Surely no one is going to give them a better hitter.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom J</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/roy-halladays-trade-value/#comment-85183</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 19:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jonny Boy,

No offense, but one of my pet peeves is listening to call-in shows up here with callers talking about trading for draft picks. This is not hockey, football or basketball, this is baseball: you cannot trade for draft picks. Period. Sorry to unload on you. It&#039;s my frustration with the daily ignorance I hear up here and unfortunately for you, you get to bear the brunt of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jonny Boy,</p>
<p>No offense, but one of my pet peeves is listening to call-in shows up here with callers talking about trading for draft picks. This is not hockey, football or basketball, this is baseball: you cannot trade for draft picks. Period. Sorry to unload on you. It&#8217;s my frustration with the daily ignorance I hear up here and unfortunately for you, you get to bear the brunt of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonny Boy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonny Boy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 06:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>None, they would be stupid to trade him to a team inside the division, the only way i would want a Halladay trade is if he went to the NL and they got the perfect trade. No draft picks or stupid like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>None, they would be stupid to trade him to a team inside the division, the only way i would want a Halladay trade is if he went to the NL and they got the perfect trade. No draft picks or stupid like that.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonny Boy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonny Boy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 06:31:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He doesnt care about money, hes classy, he loves toronto and wants to win. I would hate to ssee him go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He doesnt care about money, hes classy, he loves toronto and wants to win. I would hate to ssee him go.</p>
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		<title>By: RollingWave</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/roy-halladays-trade-value/#comment-84111</link>
		<dc:creator>RollingWave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 07:20:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Jays franchise is sunk until they get rid of Vernon Wells contract anyway. so this is a real lose lose situation for them.  Unless they somehow get out of the Wells contract they&#039;re not even contedners after these &quot;prospects&quot; are nearing free agency. as sad as that sounds.

I think this is kind of the sticking point , the biggest value for the Jays would actually be if they could get rid of Wells, but it is absurd to trade a Roy Halladay just to get rid of a contract. and whats worse is that Wells contract is so bad. that even the Yankees / Red Sox would have a hard time accepting such a deal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Jays franchise is sunk until they get rid of Vernon Wells contract anyway. so this is a real lose lose situation for them.  Unless they somehow get out of the Wells contract they&#8217;re not even contedners after these &#8220;prospects&#8221; are nearing free agency. as sad as that sounds.</p>
<p>I think this is kind of the sticking point , the biggest value for the Jays would actually be if they could get rid of Wells, but it is absurd to trade a Roy Halladay just to get rid of a contract. and whats worse is that Wells contract is so bad. that even the Yankees / Red Sox would have a hard time accepting such a deal.</p>
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		<title>By: RollingWave</title>
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		<dc:creator>RollingWave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 07:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim Lincecum is not the norm of pitchers. even when we&#039;re talking about very good onces.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim Lincecum is not the norm of pitchers. even when we&#8217;re talking about very good onces.</p>
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		<title>By: RollingWave</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/roy-halladays-trade-value/#comment-84108</link>
		<dc:creator>RollingWave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 07:12:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>like the Jays looking even more hopeless now than they did a few years back. when the Yankees were old and creaky and the Rays were garbage. 

What&#039;s probably worse is that the Jays are locking 1/4-1/5 of their payroll in the next few years just on Vernon Wells. who is playing at a sub replacement level so far this year. and another 1/6 or so in Rios. who is only playing better relative to the Vernon Wells standard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>like the Jays looking even more hopeless now than they did a few years back. when the Yankees were old and creaky and the Rays were garbage. </p>
<p>What&#8217;s probably worse is that the Jays are locking 1/4-1/5 of their payroll in the next few years just on Vernon Wells. who is playing at a sub replacement level so far this year. and another 1/6 or so in Rios. who is only playing better relative to the Vernon Wells standard.</p>
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		<title>By: SmallBall</title>
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		<dc:creator>SmallBall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 02:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Parra is 26 going on 27.  He has been nothing short of disgusting so far.  His trade value is right there with Vernon Wells.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Parra is 26 going on 27.  He has been nothing short of disgusting so far.  His trade value is right there with Vernon Wells.</p>
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		<title>By: Sky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 02:08:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good stuff as usual, Dave.

One quibble is that while there&#039;s less risk in shorter contracts, you&#039;re also paying the current dollars-per-WAR rate.  If we assume that number goes up 10% each year and it was at $5M pre-2009, that puts it at $8M per WAR in five off-seasons (pre-2014.)  So $30M bought 6 WAR before this season, but it&#039;ll only buy 3.75 WAR pre-2014.  To over-generalize, the expected loss of player talent matches the increase in price-per-WAR.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good stuff as usual, Dave.</p>
<p>One quibble is that while there&#8217;s less risk in shorter contracts, you&#8217;re also paying the current dollars-per-WAR rate.  If we assume that number goes up 10% each year and it was at $5M pre-2009, that puts it at $8M per WAR in five off-seasons (pre-2014.)  So $30M bought 6 WAR before this season, but it&#8217;ll only buy 3.75 WAR pre-2014.  To over-generalize, the expected loss of player talent matches the increase in price-per-WAR.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt B,</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/roy-halladays-trade-value/#comment-84057</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt B,</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 02:04:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that&#039;s a stretch.  I think Roy would command a bit heftier fee than a good bat/terrible fielder in Gamel and two arms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that&#8217;s a stretch.  I think Roy would command a bit heftier fee than a good bat/terrible fielder in Gamel and two arms.</p>
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