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	<title>Comments on: The Cautionary Tale of J.R. Richard</title>
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		<title>By: kensai</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/the-cautionary-tale-of-jr-richard/#comment-65011</link>
		<dc:creator>kensai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 08:03:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I mean the way people are making it out in the comments, it&#039;s like they&#039;ve never known anybody who just takes unnecessary days off because they can&#039;t play/go to work/do a project unless they feel 100% perfect everyday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I mean the way people are making it out in the comments, it&#8217;s like they&#8217;ve never known anybody who just takes unnecessary days off because they can&#8217;t play/go to work/do a project unless they feel 100% perfect everyday.</p>
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		<title>By: kensai</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/the-cautionary-tale-of-jr-richard/#comment-65010</link>
		<dc:creator>kensai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 08:00:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People hate him because he&#039;s not like J.R. Richard with legit injury problems a lot.  The guy seems to take a day off whenever he&#039;s a little sore or when &quot;his mind is not right&quot;.  I mean, come on.

Being tough and being stupid are not forever connected.  It&#039;s 162 games, you&#039;re going to be sore a lot.  No, that doesn&#039;t mean everytime you have a little tightness, you need to sit out 5 games.

There&#039;s a line between toughing it out when you&#039;re really hurt, and just being soft.  Believe it or not, some players ARE soft.

There&#039;s quite a lot of gray area between pitching with a sore shoulder when your velocity is down 10 mph and sitting out 3 games with a bruise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People hate him because he&#8217;s not like J.R. Richard with legit injury problems a lot.  The guy seems to take a day off whenever he&#8217;s a little sore or when &#8220;his mind is not right&#8221;.  I mean, come on.</p>
<p>Being tough and being stupid are not forever connected.  It&#8217;s 162 games, you&#8217;re going to be sore a lot.  No, that doesn&#8217;t mean everytime you have a little tightness, you need to sit out 5 games.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a line between toughing it out when you&#8217;re really hurt, and just being soft.  Believe it or not, some players ARE soft.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s quite a lot of gray area between pitching with a sore shoulder when your velocity is down 10 mph and sitting out 3 games with a bruise.</p>
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		<title>By: nails</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/the-cautionary-tale-of-jr-richard/#comment-64963</link>
		<dc:creator>nails</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 23:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>guys like aaron rowand, ryan freel, eric byrnes, they only know how to play the game 1 way, thats full speed, all effort all the time.  thats how they were able to make it to the big leagues, and guys like that cant just turn it off on a potential game saving play bc they might break a nose.

theres a reason why guys like wes welker will never back down from a slant pattern over the middle bc thats how they became the players they are today.

obviosly theres a difference if he would have knowingly run full speed into a brick wall to cut a 1st inning double into a single and suffered multiple head wounds.

side note, just a week before the injury, rowand told the phillies that the CF wall needed padding so something like that didnt happen, but apparently padding isnt something you can buy in the greater metropolitan area of philadelphia, so they never &quot;fixed&quot; it till after the fact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>guys like aaron rowand, ryan freel, eric byrnes, they only know how to play the game 1 way, thats full speed, all effort all the time.  thats how they were able to make it to the big leagues, and guys like that cant just turn it off on a potential game saving play bc they might break a nose.</p>
<p>theres a reason why guys like wes welker will never back down from a slant pattern over the middle bc thats how they became the players they are today.</p>
<p>obviosly theres a difference if he would have knowingly run full speed into a brick wall to cut a 1st inning double into a single and suffered multiple head wounds.</p>
<p>side note, just a week before the injury, rowand told the phillies that the CF wall needed padding so something like that didnt happen, but apparently padding isnt something you can buy in the greater metropolitan area of philadelphia, so they never &#8220;fixed&#8221; it till after the fact.</p>
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		<title>By: Milendriel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Milendriel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 10:11:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your sense of humor sucks. Fangraphs doesn&#039;t need trolls, nor are they funny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your sense of humor sucks. Fangraphs doesn&#8217;t need trolls, nor are they funny.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 23:09:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, I may have overlooked something in the Baby Ruth comparison. I didn&#039;t mean to imply that if if by the eighteen septillion to one (and you&#039;ll find I&#039;m being immeasurably conservative here) chance that the Yankees and Red Sox found themselves in the exact same situation—same rosters, same managers, same lineup, same weather, all participants involved having led the exact same lives up to that point except no curse and Ruth is enshrined with a B on his cap—that things wouldn&#039;t have played out more or less exactly as they did (or in any way that sees any construction of a Red Sox roster winning four straight games after losing the first three to any construction of a Yankees roster at any point in history—seriously, doesn&#039;t even have to be 2004 anymore. I&#039;ve honestly given up trying), but to suggest that they unquestionably would have been in that situation to begin with is beyond laughable and demonstrates a superlative quantity of shortsightedness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, I may have overlooked something in the Baby Ruth comparison. I didn&#8217;t mean to imply that if if by the eighteen septillion to one (and you&#8217;ll find I&#8217;m being immeasurably conservative here) chance that the Yankees and Red Sox found themselves in the exact same situation—same rosters, same managers, same lineup, same weather, all participants involved having led the exact same lives up to that point except no curse and Ruth is enshrined with a B on his cap—that things wouldn&#8217;t have played out more or less exactly as they did (or in any way that sees any construction of a Red Sox roster winning four straight games after losing the first three to any construction of a Yankees roster at any point in history—seriously, doesn&#8217;t even have to be 2004 anymore. I&#8217;ve honestly given up trying), but to suggest that they unquestionably would have been in that situation to begin with is beyond laughable and demonstrates a superlative quantity of shortsightedness.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 22:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So there&#039;s absolutely no chance, none whatsoever, that the outcome of Rowand&#039;s play had any effect on anything? So I don&#039;t misinterpret you as you guys have been doing me all day, is this the crux of your argument?

Nobody said all sequential events are causal. Can we please stick to the arguments I&#039;m &lt;i&gt;actually&lt;/i&gt; making? If a child scrapes his knee in Thailand it&#039;s probably not going to have any impact on my life. Not now, not ever. But if you remove Rowand&#039;s link in the chain, are you willing to bet your life that absolutely nothing in the baseball world changes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So there&#8217;s absolutely no chance, none whatsoever, that the outcome of Rowand&#8217;s play had any effect on anything? So I don&#8217;t misinterpret you as you guys have been doing me all day, is this the crux of your argument?</p>
<p>Nobody said all sequential events are causal. Can we please stick to the arguments I&#8217;m <i>actually</i> making? If a child scrapes his knee in Thailand it&#8217;s probably not going to have any impact on my life. Not now, not ever. But if you remove Rowand&#8217;s link in the chain, are you willing to bet your life that absolutely nothing in the baseball world changes?</p>
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		<title>By: Russell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 21:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know... don&#039;t feed the trolls, but I can&#039;t help it:

The Baby Ruth chain is far more valid then what you present. All Sox players knew about the &quot;curse&quot;, and It may well have had a tangible effect on their on-field performance.  The Rowland connection is absurd.

And to be a lot more pedantic, not all sequential events are causal. If i flip one coin, then another, the result of the first flip in no was determines the second. If you can even suggest (beyond wild conjecture) any causal link then ill listen -- but merely claiming all things to be related is simply a fallacy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know&#8230; don&#8217;t feed the trolls, but I can&#8217;t help it:</p>
<p>The Baby Ruth chain is far more valid then what you present. All Sox players knew about the &#8220;curse&#8221;, and It may well have had a tangible effect on their on-field performance.  The Rowland connection is absurd.</p>
<p>And to be a lot more pedantic, not all sequential events are causal. If i flip one coin, then another, the result of the first flip in no was determines the second. If you can even suggest (beyond wild conjecture) any causal link then ill listen &#8212; but merely claiming all things to be related is simply a fallacy.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 21:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Though I did find the result pleasantly gratifying, I never expected my light-hearted play at humour to 1.) be taken seriously and 2.) turn into a full-fledged dissection of chaos theory. Some people just bait themselves, I guess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Though I did find the result pleasantly gratifying, I never expected my light-hearted play at humour to 1.) be taken seriously and 2.) turn into a full-fledged dissection of chaos theory. Some people just bait themselves, I guess.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 20:11:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard has served as a cautionary note against labeling players as malingerers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard has served as a cautionary note against labeling players as malingerers.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 20:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ouch. Kevin got reeled in hook, line, and sinker. That&#039;s what you get for indulging a troll.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ouch. Kevin got reeled in hook, line, and sinker. That&#8217;s what you get for indulging a troll.</p>
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