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		<title>By: celtic design tattoos</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/the-greedy/#comment-114727</link>
		<dc:creator>celtic design tattoos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 22:21:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Though they were initially considered socially unsatisfactory for women, with the variety of celebrities that are now sporting complicated tattoos, they are getting more satisfactory and popular for women.  Of course most ladies want to go with a feminine design which will add a beautiful touch to their body.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Though they were initially considered socially unsatisfactory for women, with the variety of celebrities that are now sporting complicated tattoos, they are getting more satisfactory and popular for women.  Of course most ladies want to go with a feminine design which will add a beautiful touch to their body.</p>
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		<title>By: Toffer Peak</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/the-greedy/#comment-92039</link>
		<dc:creator>Toffer Peak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 20:21:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure, Wikipedia Monopoly, Economics and Labor Economics. You can also check any economics textbook or journal that you want. In no place will you find a legitimate economist argue that, &quot;The best player in each draft can charge monopoly rents (IE theoretically an unlimited amount of money) and this market potentially breaks down and no one signs if no team can afford the best guy. There is no true competition since he is the best player.&quot;

Um how did A-Rod (the best available player) get signed to a contract? CC? etc. In a free market players will get paid approximately their marginal value to the team. They in no way will ever get &quot;an unlimited amount of money&quot;. Does that make any sense to you?

Seriously this was 2nd grade logic. It was simply fundamentally flawed and made no sense. You don&#039;t even need to have taken an economics class to see the complete lack of any sense in this argument.

The Beatles have a monopoly on their music and do their CDs sell for &quot;an unlimited amount of money&quot;. Of course not, they pretty much sell for the exact same as other music CDs, $10~15. Players are no different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, Wikipedia Monopoly, Economics and Labor Economics. You can also check any economics textbook or journal that you want. In no place will you find a legitimate economist argue that, &#8220;The best player in each draft can charge monopoly rents (IE theoretically an unlimited amount of money) and this market potentially breaks down and no one signs if no team can afford the best guy. There is no true competition since he is the best player.&#8221;</p>
<p>Um how did A-Rod (the best available player) get signed to a contract? CC? etc. In a free market players will get paid approximately their marginal value to the team. They in no way will ever get &#8220;an unlimited amount of money&#8221;. Does that make any sense to you?</p>
<p>Seriously this was 2nd grade logic. It was simply fundamentally flawed and made no sense. You don&#8217;t even need to have taken an economics class to see the complete lack of any sense in this argument.</p>
<p>The Beatles have a monopoly on their music and do their CDs sell for &#8220;an unlimited amount of money&#8221;. Of course not, they pretty much sell for the exact same as other music CDs, $10~15. Players are no different.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason T</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/the-greedy/#comment-91906</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 13:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said, Pete.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, Pete.</p>
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		<title>By: j reed</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/the-greedy/#comment-91883</link>
		<dc:creator>j reed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 08:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Wow, please tell me your PhD is not in economics. Your understanding of economics, monopoly power, and labor economics is astonishingly flawed.&quot;

If this is the case, then prove why it is flawed.  I&#039;m not a PhD in economics in fact I&#039;ve never had an economics class, so maybe i missed something obvious, but shouldn&#039;t  criticism at the very least, come with an explanation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Wow, please tell me your PhD is not in economics. Your understanding of economics, monopoly power, and labor economics is astonishingly flawed.&#8221;</p>
<p>If this is the case, then prove why it is flawed.  I&#8217;m not a PhD in economics in fact I&#8217;ve never had an economics class, so maybe i missed something obvious, but shouldn&#8217;t  criticism at the very least, come with an explanation.</p>
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		<title>By: Toffer Peak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Toffer Peak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 00:57:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, please tell me your PhD is not in economics. Your understanding of economics, monopoly power, and labor economics is astonishingly flawed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, please tell me your PhD is not in economics. Your understanding of economics, monopoly power, and labor economics is astonishingly flawed.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/the-greedy/#comment-91800</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 00:25:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know that baseball already has a free market pool of rookies right, right?  It&#039;s called Latin America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know that baseball already has a free market pool of rookies right, right?  It&#8217;s called Latin America.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob Jackson</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/the-greedy/#comment-91793</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 23:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps generous was the wrong word.  What I mean to say is that it would be a greater concession than what the players&#039; union could offer in return, IMO, and that a more realistic/feasible compromise is allowing players to reach arbitration sooner.

Clearly the owners will not simply give up the status quo of six years simply because the CBA works wildly in their favor.  There would have to be an equitable concession made by the union, and I&#039;m not sure they have anything quite as powerful as that to barter with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps generous was the wrong word.  What I mean to say is that it would be a greater concession than what the players&#8217; union could offer in return, IMO, and that a more realistic/feasible compromise is allowing players to reach arbitration sooner.</p>
<p>Clearly the owners will not simply give up the status quo of six years simply because the CBA works wildly in their favor.  There would have to be an equitable concession made by the union, and I&#8217;m not sure they have anything quite as powerful as that to barter with.</p>
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		<title>By: JH</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/the-greedy/#comment-91787</link>
		<dc:creator>JH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 23:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We may not know a concrete number, but we do know that A) baseball teams currently pay between $4-5 million/win, B) baseball teams make a profit doling out contracts of that magnitude meaning that their revenues are higher, and C) baseball teams that win more run at substantially higher profit margins than teams that don&#039;t.

Draft picks, on average, are a steal.  That&#039;s just true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We may not know a concrete number, but we do know that A) baseball teams currently pay between $4-5 million/win, B) baseball teams make a profit doling out contracts of that magnitude meaning that their revenues are higher, and C) baseball teams that win more run at substantially higher profit margins than teams that don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Draft picks, on average, are a steal.  That&#8217;s just true.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/the-greedy/#comment-91777</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 22:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If players today are greedy, it is the long history of MLB owners and their miserly and evil ways that made them so.  Here is the list of offenses MLB has committed against it&#039;s athletes:

1. The Reserve Clause-This tied a player to his team for life, for all intents and purposes.  A team could trade that player and pay them basically whatever they wanted and were under no obligation to pay them what they were worth.
2. Collusion-After Free Agency became a reality, owners started collectively pissing their pants about how much they were paying FA talent.  So, they all got together and agreed to stop paying high salaries for FAs.  Whether MLB players deserve to make as much as they do is irrelevant...Fact of the matter is that what the owners did is, in every possible way, illegal.  Andre Dawson ended up playing with a blank contract b/c he so badly wanted to escape Montreal, and yet no one would pay him.  
3. Blocking the formation of players unions for decades-This prevented players from having any sort of mechanism for resisting unfair business practices.  Basically the players were told to shut up and take whatever poop-flavored lollipop the owners gave them.  

For more of the Bullshit Ownership Activities Greatest Hits Tour, go to wikipedia and read about figures such as Marge Schott, Charlie Finley, or Charles Comiskey.  These were people who would literally do anything possible to put more money into their own pockets, whether they had to shit on their players to do it or not.  

If any of us working in our normal jobs was told that we couldn&#039;t work there b/c we were black, or that we were tied to that company/organization forever at the total whim of that institution, or that we couldn&#039;t leave and find a better job because all of the bosses of that field got together and said they wouldn&#039;t pay what a person was worth b/c they weren&#039;t making as much money as they liked, we&#039;d all be fighting mad.  Why?  Because these are greedy, evil, reprehensible actions.  If we were told to &quot;shut up and take it&quot; because being a lawyer/doctor/construction worker/dentist/teacher/professor/truck driver is a neat job and our salary was decent, we&#039;d be fighting mad at that too.  

I understand that FA&#039;s and draft picks are different.  It is true that there are plenty of good business reasons not to sign untested, semi-fungible draft talent to top-dollar contracts.  But don&#039;t for a second call these largely middle-to-lower kids greedy for wanting a slightly bigger piece of the pie, especially when that pie is being given by a group who makes 100x what the player does and has a history of screwing that player and all of his peers in disgusting ways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If players today are greedy, it is the long history of MLB owners and their miserly and evil ways that made them so.  Here is the list of offenses MLB has committed against it&#8217;s athletes:</p>
<p>1. The Reserve Clause-This tied a player to his team for life, for all intents and purposes.  A team could trade that player and pay them basically whatever they wanted and were under no obligation to pay them what they were worth.<br />
2. Collusion-After Free Agency became a reality, owners started collectively pissing their pants about how much they were paying FA talent.  So, they all got together and agreed to stop paying high salaries for FAs.  Whether MLB players deserve to make as much as they do is irrelevant&#8230;Fact of the matter is that what the owners did is, in every possible way, illegal.  Andre Dawson ended up playing with a blank contract b/c he so badly wanted to escape Montreal, and yet no one would pay him.<br />
3. Blocking the formation of players unions for decades-This prevented players from having any sort of mechanism for resisting unfair business practices.  Basically the players were told to shut up and take whatever poop-flavored lollipop the owners gave them.  </p>
<p>For more of the Bullshit Ownership Activities Greatest Hits Tour, go to wikipedia and read about figures such as Marge Schott, Charlie Finley, or Charles Comiskey.  These were people who would literally do anything possible to put more money into their own pockets, whether they had to shit on their players to do it or not.  </p>
<p>If any of us working in our normal jobs was told that we couldn&#8217;t work there b/c we were black, or that we were tied to that company/organization forever at the total whim of that institution, or that we couldn&#8217;t leave and find a better job because all of the bosses of that field got together and said they wouldn&#8217;t pay what a person was worth b/c they weren&#8217;t making as much money as they liked, we&#8217;d all be fighting mad.  Why?  Because these are greedy, evil, reprehensible actions.  If we were told to &#8220;shut up and take it&#8221; because being a lawyer/doctor/construction worker/dentist/teacher/professor/truck driver is a neat job and our salary was decent, we&#8217;d be fighting mad at that too.  </p>
<p>I understand that FA&#8217;s and draft picks are different.  It is true that there are plenty of good business reasons not to sign untested, semi-fungible draft talent to top-dollar contracts.  But don&#8217;t for a second call these largely middle-to-lower kids greedy for wanting a slightly bigger piece of the pie, especially when that pie is being given by a group who makes 100x what the player does and has a history of screwing that player and all of his peers in disgusting ways.</p>
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		<title>By: PhD Brian</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/the-greedy/#comment-91773</link>
		<dc:creator>PhD Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 22:10:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No system that gives someone 100s of thousands for doing something fun at the age of 20 will ever be unfair.  I would play professional ball for half what I make in my current job and that is less than millions.  I am better at my current job (and that job does more good for society at large than any baseball game), than 99.9% of current professional baseball players are at theirs, yet I do not make millions or even the major league minimum.  My brother is a professor of surgery at Harvard who invented a way to save millions of lives, he is the finest MD in his field in the world without debate,  and he makes less than the minimum for a rookie major league baseball player.  But that is not unfair, because by paying ticket prices you guys decide what is fair for baseball players, MDs, and what is fair for me.  ARod earns more guaranteed money per year than every individual bank employee on earth including CEOs earned in any one year ever.  More than anyone ever earned at AIG even before the extra AIG wage tax. Strasburg will now out earn Citibanks CEO in 2009.  If Crow has signed his contract his bonus would have been larger than George Bush earned in salary combined during his entire time as President of the USA.  It is far from unfair!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No system that gives someone 100s of thousands for doing something fun at the age of 20 will ever be unfair.  I would play professional ball for half what I make in my current job and that is less than millions.  I am better at my current job (and that job does more good for society at large than any baseball game), than 99.9% of current professional baseball players are at theirs, yet I do not make millions or even the major league minimum.  My brother is a professor of surgery at Harvard who invented a way to save millions of lives, he is the finest MD in his field in the world without debate,  and he makes less than the minimum for a rookie major league baseball player.  But that is not unfair, because by paying ticket prices you guys decide what is fair for baseball players, MDs, and what is fair for me.  ARod earns more guaranteed money per year than every individual bank employee on earth including CEOs earned in any one year ever.  More than anyone ever earned at AIG even before the extra AIG wage tax. Strasburg will now out earn Citibanks CEO in 2009.  If Crow has signed his contract his bonus would have been larger than George Bush earned in salary combined during his entire time as President of the USA.  It is far from unfair!</p>
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