Comments on: The Manny-Hermida Deal

By: Tom Au

Tom Au — Thu, 31 Jul 2008 20:07:36 +0000

As a former Pittsburgher (and Pirate fan), I don’t like this deal. Jeremy Hermida is no great shakes (.257 BA), nor are Tucker and Stanton. Essentially, Florida is offering a bunch of second-raters for the Pirates best player, and none of the prospects even have Tabata’s potential. Maybe the deal works if Florida offers Hellickson and Brignac (without Hermida) for Bay. That could solve the Pirates’ pitching problem, and free up Jack Wilson for another trade, like the Wilson-Jair Jurrens deal that didn’t go through.

By: Subhash Roy

Subhash Roy — Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:31:01 +0000

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“Scott said,

I have a feeling, completely unfounded by number, that if Manny get traded, he will rake for the rest of the season. I think he has been dogging it either constantly or on and off, and will throw on a switch to stick it to the Sox. But yeah, Hermida is a pretty valuable piece, even if Tucker and Stanton arenâ€™t included in the deal.”

Huh, dogging it?
351/467/622 since the All Star Break

By: Dave Cameron

Dave Cameron — Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:45:08 +0000

You might be able to justify giving up Hermida’s future value if Manny actually represented any real upgrade. But he doesn’t. If the goal was to open a spot for Maybin, the Marlins would have been better off not making this trade, then dealing Hermida in the winter for something that could help them next year.

By: Simmy

Simmy — Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:05:06 +0000

By the way there is a lot more to this deal than just these 3 players. According to almost any source you read, Florida is both giving up and getting prospects and there is money changing hands.

By: Simmy

Simmy — Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:02:37 +0000

Exactly, Cameron Maybin will be ready to start full time in CF next year, which means that they have a surplus between him, Hermida, Willingham and Ross. So why not go for the 2008 upgrade by trading that future depth for an improvement from Hermida–>Manny? Defense I don’t think is calculable with these metrics as offense. Speaking of which, why does Marcel give Manny such a low OBP for the rest of the year – .386? It’s .398 right now, .409 career, .400+ last 3 years. I think Manny will outperform that projected line.

By: Anthony

Anthony — Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:47:00 +0000

i don’t think it’s that bad a trade. you’re overrating hermida on defense, as he tends to look alright for a few weeks and then makes a real bonehead play on a line drive hit right at him with runners on base it seems.

in addition, it would be a huge financial benefit for the marlins. they wouldn’t pay a cent to ramirez, and would save a couple million dollars in arbitration for hermida next year. and whoever said there’s no clear-cut replacement for hermida is dead wrong…cody ross would probably slide over next year and fill his spot. he’s having a very nice year since he became a full-time starter. who would fill the CF spot? one of the two centerpieces of the cabrera trade, cameron maybin. they were gonna have trouble finding room for him unless they dealt somebody, and this takes care of that

also, for some reason the marlins have struggled against LHP this year more so than in the past, and ramirez would fix that

By: Scott

Scott — Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:12:41 +0000

By: Blackadder

Blackadder — Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:09:25 +0000

Maybe the Marlins feel about taking one of the most valuable properties in baseball from the Sox and are trying to make amends?

By: taro

taro — Thu, 31 Jul 2008 05:15:07 +0000

Wow…if that rumor is true its a HORRIBLE deal for the Marlins. Not quite sure what the thought process is there.

In other news Epstein is still damn good.

By: Eric

Eric — Thu, 31 Jul 2008 04:50:17 +0000

Agree with you 110%, was really happy when it was rumored to be Williangham and prospects for Ramirez but I am actually terrified now. It is just scary picturing Williangham or Ramirez in RF. On top of that we have no one in the minors who can fill Hermida shoes next year.