Comments on: The Marlins’ Next Batch http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/the-marlins-next-batch/ Daily baseball statistical analysis and commentary Sun, 12 Feb 2012 20:36:47 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: David MVP Eckstein http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/the-marlins-next-batch/#comment-127058 David MVP Eckstein Tue, 02 Feb 2010 05:36:12 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=15418#comment-127058 I think Dan Szymborski said it best in his 2010 ZiPS projection for the Marlins: "The Marlins continuing to win 85-90 games relies on Beinfest and Hill continuing to spin straw into gold faster than Jeff Loria can give it away, which is a very difficult task." http://gameofinches.blogspot.com/search?q=marlins I think Dan Szymborski said it best in his 2010 ZiPS projection for the Marlins: “The Marlins continuing to win 85-90 games relies on Beinfest and Hill continuing to spin straw into gold faster than Jeff Loria can give it away, which is a very difficult task.”

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]]> By: gnomez http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/the-marlins-next-batch/#comment-126910 gnomez Mon, 01 Feb 2010 21:11:10 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=15418#comment-126910 If you look at some of the garbage the Cardinal have brought in, I think they used to have a similar strategy, and just currently have had a wealth of young relief prospects. If you look at some of the garbage the Cardinal have brought in, I think they used to have a similar strategy, and just currently have had a wealth of young relief prospects.

]]> By: Joe R http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/the-marlins-next-batch/#comment-126825 Joe R Mon, 01 Feb 2010 15:50:28 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=15418#comment-126825 Strickland's MLE FIP's from 06-09 according to minorleaguesplits.com: 2.77 4.10 3.67 4.05 For about a 3.48 weighted average FIP. So, like, Jose Valverde on average, but probably closer right now to LaTroy Hawkins. Meh, decent pitcher, so I'd have to agree with you. Strickland’s MLE FIP’s from 06-09 according to minorleaguesplits.com:

2.77
4.10
3.67
4.05

For about a 3.48 weighted average FIP.
So, like, Jose Valverde on average, but probably closer right now to LaTroy Hawkins. Meh, decent pitcher, so I’d have to agree with you.

]]> By: Temo http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/the-marlins-next-batch/#comment-126824 Temo Mon, 01 Feb 2010 15:45:58 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=15418#comment-126824 So of all the guys you mentioned, all were in their mid-30's, with the exception of Doug Waechter. And all of them were either rescued from injury, stints in hitting-favorable ballparks, or the AL East, or all of the above (they also seem to love ex-Cleveland relievers, for whatever reason). It's not like the Marlins are doing anything new. They're just a low-payroll team doing what a low-payroll team should do: take risks, increase their variance, and hope to strike gold. I believe that they're also exploiting a market advantage. Relievers will sign with the Marlins knowing that they can rehabilitate their careers in a low-stress environment in a favorable environment (other than the occasional trip to Philly, pitching in the NL East is a decent proposition), and they'll get a real shot at a roster spot. For your typical mid-30's reliever trying to re-make his career, the Marlins are a much better situation to accept a spring training invite than say, the Yankees. You better be striking out 12 batters per 9 in Spring training if you want to even make the Yankee's roster, nevermind get real playing time and not just mop-up duty. With the Marlins, you could piece together a decent spring and get a shot at 50 IP during the season. Not that high-payroll teams can't do something similar. For the longest time, until they changed their philosophy more recently (or were forced to), the Braves would skimp heavily on their bullpen budget, filling in holes by promoting minor leaguers and rehabbing older pitchers. Their main attraction at the time was that all the down-on-your-luck pitchers wanted to work with Leo Mazzone. I'm not sure how much of the successful rehabs were Mazzone's doing and how much of it was just his reputation (and the reputation of the big 3 starting pitchers) was giving the Braves a market advantage that they exploited for a long time. I wonder if the Cards will use (or are using) a similar advantage they have with Dave Duncan's reputation. So of all the guys you mentioned, all were in their mid-30′s, with the exception of Doug Waechter. And all of them were either rescued from injury, stints in hitting-favorable ballparks, or the AL East, or all of the above (they also seem to love ex-Cleveland relievers, for whatever reason).

It’s not like the Marlins are doing anything new. They’re just a low-payroll team doing what a low-payroll team should do: take risks, increase their variance, and hope to strike gold.

I believe that they’re also exploiting a market advantage. Relievers will sign with the Marlins knowing that they can rehabilitate their careers in a low-stress environment in a favorable environment (other than the occasional trip to Philly, pitching in the NL East is a decent proposition), and they’ll get a real shot at a roster spot. For your typical mid-30′s reliever trying to re-make his career, the Marlins are a much better situation to accept a spring training invite than say, the Yankees. You better be striking out 12 batters per 9 in Spring training if you want to even make the Yankee’s roster, nevermind get real playing time and not just mop-up duty. With the Marlins, you could piece together a decent spring and get a shot at 50 IP during the season.

Not that high-payroll teams can’t do something similar. For the longest time, until they changed their philosophy more recently (or were forced to), the Braves would skimp heavily on their bullpen budget, filling in holes by promoting minor leaguers and rehabbing older pitchers. Their main attraction at the time was that all the down-on-your-luck pitchers wanted to work with Leo Mazzone. I’m not sure how much of the successful rehabs were Mazzone’s doing and how much of it was just his reputation (and the reputation of the big 3 starting pitchers) was giving the Braves a market advantage that they exploited for a long time.

I wonder if the Cards will use (or are using) a similar advantage they have with Dave Duncan’s reputation.

]]> By: fanofdefenseagain http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/the-marlins-next-batch/#comment-126823 fanofdefenseagain Mon, 01 Feb 2010 15:42:21 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=15418#comment-126823 Seriously, let scott strickland pitch on a MLB club! I just checked out his AAA stats over the past 3 years and they have looked damn impressive. Give the guy a second shot. Seriously, let scott strickland pitch on a MLB club!

I just checked out his AAA stats over the past 3 years and they have looked damn impressive. Give the guy a second shot.

]]> By: Jon http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/the-marlins-next-batch/#comment-126819 Jon Mon, 01 Feb 2010 15:06:32 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=15418#comment-126819 Since the Malins are so good at getting pitchers who werent as good as they used to be, what are the chances they get back the D-Train? Would love to see him back with the team for the new stadium opening (as a reliever tho) Since the Malins are so good at getting pitchers who werent as good as they used to be, what are the chances they get back the D-Train? Would love to see him back with the team for the new stadium opening (as a reliever tho)

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