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		<title>By: Pg</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/the-other-ss-ramirez/#comment-601414</link>
		<dc:creator>Pg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Mar 2011 15:42:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Franklin Gutierrez isn&#039;t exactly slow.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Franklin Gutierrez isn&#8217;t exactly slow&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: CircleChange11</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/the-other-ss-ramirez/#comment-208367</link>
		<dc:creator>CircleChange11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 19:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a Cardinal fan ... hence, I have to watch both Yadi Molina and Albert Pujols run to 1st base. I&#039;m still waiting for Molina to make a 7-3 (thrown out from LF) out.

Seriously, you watch the Jeter jump throw and this Alexei play and they take a loooong time to complete. They&#039;re good playts getting to the balls, but those shouldn&#039;t be outs.

The plays that I value as a coach, bsides the obvious, are ranging plays made by IF&#039;s with a runner on second. Even if they don&#039;t get an out, just the fact that they got to the ball, knocked it down, or whatever prevented the runner from rounding third and scoring. I coach that point all season long. 

IF&#039;s getting balls like that may save a base here and there, but the only way they get a guy out is if he&#039;s a &quot;piano mover&quot; or &quot;plowhorse&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a Cardinal fan &#8230; hence, I have to watch both Yadi Molina and Albert Pujols run to 1st base. I&#8217;m still waiting for Molina to make a 7-3 (thrown out from LF) out.</p>
<p>Seriously, you watch the Jeter jump throw and this Alexei play and they take a loooong time to complete. They&#8217;re good playts getting to the balls, but those shouldn&#8217;t be outs.</p>
<p>The plays that I value as a coach, bsides the obvious, are ranging plays made by IF&#8217;s with a runner on second. Even if they don&#8217;t get an out, just the fact that they got to the ball, knocked it down, or whatever prevented the runner from rounding third and scoring. I coach that point all season long. </p>
<p>IF&#8217;s getting balls like that may save a base here and there, but the only way they get a guy out is if he&#8217;s a &#8220;piano mover&#8221; or &#8220;plowhorse&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: SweetLouForHOF</title>
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		<dc:creator>SweetLouForHOF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 15:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The question you ask  in your last paragraph is a very interesting one.  Is it one that could be answered statistically? I don&#039;t have much experience with e.g. UZR data but could plays in &quot;difficult zones&quot; be linked with (for the sake of argument) the batter&#039;s proclivity for GIDP (or some other estimate of speed)? Does Brooks Robinson make the great plays if it isn&#039;t Johnny Bench running to first? Does Alexei make them if it&#039;s Ichiro running? They&#039;re still great plays but they may not be great outs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The question you ask  in your last paragraph is a very interesting one.  Is it one that could be answered statistically? I don&#8217;t have much experience with e.g. UZR data but could plays in &#8220;difficult zones&#8221; be linked with (for the sake of argument) the batter&#8217;s proclivity for GIDP (or some other estimate of speed)? Does Brooks Robinson make the great plays if it isn&#8217;t Johnny Bench running to first? Does Alexei make them if it&#8217;s Ichiro running? They&#8217;re still great plays but they may not be great outs.</p>
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		<title>By: CircleChange11</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/the-other-ss-ramirez/#comment-207100</link>
		<dc:creator>CircleChange11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 16:28:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joey Cora and Jose Oquendo seem to have a similar reputation and future. Both are noted for their nack at helping players with defense, and both seem to be on the list of &quot;future managers&quot;.

I&#039;m guessing Joey Cora also speaks Spanish. *grin*

My guess is Ramirez has been hearing &quot;defense, defense, defense&quot; from Vizquel and Cora (and getting little positioning and mechanics reinforcers consistently).

I would love to see Ramirez be a serious value at SS, and Beckham to return as solid player in 2011. With Rios in center, that goes a long way to being &quot;strong up the middle&quot;. It would be atough trio for other teams to try and match in value.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joey Cora and Jose Oquendo seem to have a similar reputation and future. Both are noted for their nack at helping players with defense, and both seem to be on the list of &#8220;future managers&#8221;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m guessing Joey Cora also speaks Spanish. *grin*</p>
<p>My guess is Ramirez has been hearing &#8220;defense, defense, defense&#8221; from Vizquel and Cora (and getting little positioning and mechanics reinforcers consistently).</p>
<p>I would love to see Ramirez be a serious value at SS, and Beckham to return as solid player in 2011. With Rios in center, that goes a long way to being &#8220;strong up the middle&#8221;. It would be atough trio for other teams to try and match in value.</p>
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		<title>By: CircleChange11</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/the-other-ss-ramirez/#comment-207096</link>
		<dc:creator>CircleChange11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 16:24:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alexei started off VERY slowly this year. We&#039;ve had the discussion before that when a player starts off slowly, then has hot streaks later (normalizes), it often goes undetected.

[1] Alexie has actually, and sur[prisinginly lowered his walk rate from 8% to 4%. Ozzie (3.4% Walk rate for his career) must be thinking &quot;Atta boy&quot;.

[2] ARam last year was worth 2.3 WAR and this year already at 2.7WAR. Why?

[3] His offense is up across the board (except walks of course), better BA (BABIP 10 pts above career), better SLG (2B&#039;s and HR&#039;s), but the BIG difference is fielding.

[4] 2009 he was +3 runs fielding, this year he&#039;s +10 runs (2008 = -10 runs). How much of this is SSS and how much is due to having a better defender playing 3B (Vizquel) next to him?

[5] His WAR is way up due to defensive value (1.0 WAR) and change in replacement level.

In Chicago, Alexei has always been rather recognized, and his ability/talent has been a focus of Ozzie. AR10 is extremely athletic (and I don&#039;t use that as some coded knock on his work ethic), but I am skeptical of the fielding runs jump.

I&#039;m glad to see his offense metrics jump up because his &quot;power and speed&quot; combo, given his size, and his position, could be where his most value is.

Again, the defensive value concerns me (the accuracy). Last year the talk was about returning Beckham to his original position (SS) and having Ramirez play 2B. Now, Ramirez is a good defensive SS. It could be accurate, I&#039;d just like to see it for multiple years. -10, 3, 10 could be variance, or could be improvement.

When i see plays like Alexei versus SEA or Jeter&#039;s jump throw, my first reaction is &quot;Who the Hell was running to 1st?&quot; followed by &quot;Were they running hard out of the box?&quot;. I&#039;m more amazed that somebody actually got thrown out on those plays, than I am that a fielder actually made that play.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alexei started off VERY slowly this year. We&#8217;ve had the discussion before that when a player starts off slowly, then has hot streaks later (normalizes), it often goes undetected.</p>
<p>[1] Alexie has actually, and sur[prisinginly lowered his walk rate from 8% to 4%. Ozzie (3.4% Walk rate for his career) must be thinking "Atta boy".</p>
<p>[2] ARam last year was worth 2.3 WAR and this year already at 2.7WAR. Why?</p>
<p>[3] His offense is up across the board (except walks of course), better BA (BABIP 10 pts above career), better SLG (2B&#8217;s and HR&#8217;s), but the BIG difference is fielding.</p>
<p>[4] 2009 he was +3 runs fielding, this year he&#8217;s +10 runs (2008 = -10 runs). How much of this is SSS and how much is due to having a better defender playing 3B (Vizquel) next to him?</p>
<p>[5] His WAR is way up due to defensive value (1.0 WAR) and change in replacement level.</p>
<p>In Chicago, Alexei has always been rather recognized, and his ability/talent has been a focus of Ozzie. AR10 is extremely athletic (and I don&#8217;t use that as some coded knock on his work ethic), but I am skeptical of the fielding runs jump.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad to see his offense metrics jump up because his &#8220;power and speed&#8221; combo, given his size, and his position, could be where his most value is.</p>
<p>Again, the defensive value concerns me (the accuracy). Last year the talk was about returning Beckham to his original position (SS) and having Ramirez play 2B. Now, Ramirez is a good defensive SS. It could be accurate, I&#8217;d just like to see it for multiple years. -10, 3, 10 could be variance, or could be improvement.</p>
<p>When i see plays like Alexei versus SEA or Jeter&#8217;s jump throw, my first reaction is &#8220;Who the Hell was running to 1st?&#8221; followed by &#8220;Were they running hard out of the box?&#8221;. I&#8217;m more amazed that somebody actually got thrown out on those plays, than I am that a fielder actually made that play.</p>
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		<title>By: Terry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 16:16:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alexei&#039;s turnaround actually happened at the mid point of last season. Defensively he was Top 5 from that point after some of the mental breakdowns folks conplained about earlier in the season. He has crazy range. If he could learn to hit in April (has to be mental) he could turn his fame to national as others marvel at a good all around game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alexei&#8217;s turnaround actually happened at the mid point of last season. Defensively he was Top 5 from that point after some of the mental breakdowns folks conplained about earlier in the season. He has crazy range. If he could learn to hit in April (has to be mental) he could turn his fame to national as others marvel at a good all around game.</p>
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		<title>By: Sox27</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sox27</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 13:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really have been amazed at the turnaround Alexi has made defensively.  I&#039;ve been one of his toughest critics, citing his defensive lapses as a reason why I didn&#039;t think the Sox would be able to outlast that evil team from Minnesota.  But I&#039;m so extremely happy to say I was dead wrong about Alexi&#039;s defense.  The mental lapses have not been taking place this year and he&#039;s making the routine plays which he wasn&#039;t a year ago.  Alexi&#039;s defensive emergence along with the absence of the world&#039;s most expensive 5th infielder is one of the biggest reasons for the Sox turnaround.  For the first time in a long time, the Sox have an infield defense I feel confident in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really have been amazed at the turnaround Alexi has made defensively.  I&#8217;ve been one of his toughest critics, citing his defensive lapses as a reason why I didn&#8217;t think the Sox would be able to outlast that evil team from Minnesota.  But I&#8217;m so extremely happy to say I was dead wrong about Alexi&#8217;s defense.  The mental lapses have not been taking place this year and he&#8217;s making the routine plays which he wasn&#8217;t a year ago.  Alexi&#8217;s defensive emergence along with the absence of the world&#8217;s most expensive 5th infielder is one of the biggest reasons for the Sox turnaround.  For the first time in a long time, the Sox have an infield defense I feel confident in.</p>
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		<title>By: dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 04:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>alexei&#039;s other great play

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=10370475

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTJo8TGYFVA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>alexei&#8217;s other great play</p>
<p><a href="http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=10370475" rel="nofollow">http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=10370475</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTJo8TGYFVA" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTJo8TGYFVA</a></p>
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		<title>By: airlifting</title>
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		<dc:creator>airlifting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 04:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>funny how everyone thinks it&#039;s vizquel that has something to do with alexei playing better when it was ozzie himself who said it was all joey cora&#039;s doing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>funny how everyone thinks it&#8217;s vizquel that has something to do with alexei playing better when it was ozzie himself who said it was all joey cora&#8217;s doing.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 03:46:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alexei&#039;s finally playing like he gives a damn, I think Vizquel could have a lot to do with that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alexei&#8217;s finally playing like he gives a damn, I think Vizquel could have a lot to do with that.</p>
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