Comments on: Three Lefty Playoff Rotation http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/three-lefty-playoff-rotation/ Daily baseball statistical analysis and commentary Sun, 12 Feb 2012 21:51:40 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: j reed http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/three-lefty-playoff-rotation/#comment-89125 j reed Sun, 02 Aug 2009 01:09:36 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=7266#comment-89125 I guess i left out happ since, if the Phillies make the post season, I believe Manuel, loyal to his guys will go with Moyer who, other than having senoirity, isn't really what people deem bull pen material. Happ who has demonstrated the composure and mental toughness of a mlb arm, understands how he has to pitch, locates well but has secondary stuff without the level of polish that I see from young arms from clubs with more pitching acumen than the Phillies: Dodgers, A's, Twins, Jays, Cardinals, Marlins (where the hell do the Fish get these 6'5 + up, 97+ arms?). Also, since NL has been smoking too much of the prospectus pipe, I'd say other than the benefiting from his first time thru the league, he throwing to clubs that should be allowed to use aluminium bats. Eventhough his secondary stuff is still in the rough, that he has more than two pitches, has the mindset and comes from our farm system is a rareity. (Hamels, a miracle) and thusly overated for that reason ....likewise Drabek who has the pedigree but lacks the 8 inches, 3mph and a third pitch for lefties to be Josh Johnson is overvalued for the same reason. I also didn't bother with Happ because if the Phillies make it to the dance and see the Yankees, Happ who pitched well against them was one inning away from being crushed by his 3rd time thru the Yanks line-up, and the Red Sox, well as I think Francona uses pitch fx data were not fooled one bit. So it didn't seem necessary to even look and even then as I am just learning how to read the graphs I couldn't say for sure.. The Lee and Hamels thing I thought mere coincidence but after last night's game against the Giants it'd be hard not to worry beyond the typical concern of a 3 lefty rotation which for my dad's generation would be all but a mortal sin. Too bad no Halladay. No Red Ryder BB Gun this X-Mas I guess i left out happ since, if the Phillies make the post season, I believe Manuel, loyal to his guys will go with Moyer who, other than having senoirity, isn’t really what people deem bull pen material. Happ who has demonstrated the composure and mental toughness of a mlb arm, understands how he has to pitch, locates well but has secondary stuff without the level of polish that I see from young arms from clubs with more pitching acumen than the Phillies: Dodgers, A’s, Twins, Jays, Cardinals, Marlins (where the hell do the Fish get these 6’5 + up, 97+ arms?). Also, since NL has been smoking too much of the prospectus pipe, I’d say other than the benefiting from his first time thru the league, he throwing to clubs that should be allowed to use aluminium bats. Eventhough his secondary stuff is still in the rough, that he has more than two pitches, has the mindset and comes from our farm system is a rareity. (Hamels, a miracle) and thusly overated for that reason ….likewise Drabek who has the pedigree but lacks the 8 inches, 3mph and a third pitch for lefties to be Josh Johnson is overvalued for the same reason. I also didn’t bother with Happ because if the Phillies make it to the dance and see the Yankees, Happ who pitched well against them was one inning away from being crushed by his 3rd time thru the Yanks line-up, and the Red Sox, well as I think Francona uses pitch fx data were not fooled one bit. So it didn’t seem necessary to even look and even then as I am just learning how to read the graphs I couldn’t say for sure.. The Lee and Hamels thing I thought mere coincidence but after last night’s game against the Giants it’d be hard not to worry beyond the typical concern of a 3 lefty rotation which for my dad’s generation would be all but a mortal sin. Too bad no Halladay. No Red Ryder BB Gun this X-Mas

]]> By: Matthew http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/three-lefty-playoff-rotation/#comment-89108 Matthew Sat, 01 Aug 2009 19:48:30 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=7266#comment-89108 what about happ... he throws the same shit and is also a lefty what about happ… he throws the same shit and is also a lefty

]]> By: j reed http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/three-lefty-playoff-rotation/#comment-89103 j reed Sat, 01 Aug 2009 19:30:17 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=7266#comment-89103 that's "Lee and Hamels are both 6'3, have the same build and weight (190 lbs) and are essentially....." that’s “Lee and Hamels are both 6’3, have the same build and weight (190 lbs) and are essentially…..”

]]> By: j reed http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/three-lefty-playoff-rotation/#comment-89102 j reed Sat, 01 Aug 2009 19:27:11 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=7266#comment-89102 As a phillies fan, and a disgruntled one for not acquiring Halladay I am concerned for the following reasons. Lee and Hamels are both 6'3 have the build are a essentially 4 seamer/change-up guys although Lee has a knuckling curve and according to your graphs a two-seamer. Your graphs says Hamels throws a two seamer and a curve but if you see him pitch alot, you may conclude as many of this seasons batters he's faced seemed to have, that the curve is nothing to be scared of. Also his two seamer has movement values similar to his change-up, so other than the 6mph difference from his change , 4 mph from his 4 seamer I don't know how whether or not its enough to keep batters off balance. At any rate having seen Lee pitch for the first time, I was a little concerned how much he and Hamels really look like carbon copies of one another from their delivery to their pitches and whether in tandem during a play-off series who ever pitched second could suffer at the hands of batters who don't have to adjust to a new pitcher since they are seeing similar stuff coming from the same height and similar angle of attack. With Hamels, and his smaller arsenal following Lee, a batter might be seeing a less skilled version of what he faced just the other night. Maybe there are ways to measure this but I am new to sabrmetics and don't know. As a phillies fan, and a disgruntled one for not acquiring Halladay I am concerned for the following reasons. Lee and Hamels are both 6’3 have the build are a essentially 4 seamer/change-up guys although Lee has a knuckling curve and according to your graphs a two-seamer. Your graphs says Hamels throws a two seamer and a curve but if you see him pitch alot, you may conclude as many of this seasons batters he’s faced seemed to have, that the curve is nothing to be scared of. Also his two seamer has movement values similar to his change-up, so other than the 6mph difference from his change , 4 mph from his 4 seamer I don’t know how whether or not its enough to keep batters off balance. At any rate having seen Lee pitch for the first time, I was a little concerned how much he and Hamels really look like carbon copies of one another from their delivery to their pitches and whether in tandem during a play-off series who ever pitched second could suffer at the hands of batters who don’t have to adjust to a new pitcher since they are seeing similar stuff coming from the same height and similar angle of attack. With Hamels, and his smaller arsenal following Lee, a batter might be seeing a less skilled version of what he faced just the other night. Maybe there are ways to measure this but I am new to sabrmetics and don’t know.

]]> By: don http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/three-lefty-playoff-rotation/#comment-88738 don Fri, 31 Jul 2009 13:43:06 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=7266#comment-88738 I'm not an analyst - this is just conjecture. I'm just guessing that his ERA from here to the end of the season is closer to 4 than 2.5. It's the kind of bet I'd wager a six pack on... if this weren't the internet and that weren't likely a misdemeanor. I’m not an analyst – this is just conjecture. I’m just guessing that his ERA from here to the end of the season is closer to 4 than 2.5. It’s the kind of bet I’d wager a six pack on… if this weren’t the internet and that weren’t likely a misdemeanor.

]]> By: Matthew http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/three-lefty-playoff-rotation/#comment-88628 Matthew Thu, 30 Jul 2009 23:33:06 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=7266#comment-88628 and dont tell me he doesnt throw a slider.. hes been working on that pitch. ive seen it a lot and dont tell me he doesnt throw a slider.. hes been working on that pitch. ive seen it a lot

]]> By: Matthew http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/three-lefty-playoff-rotation/#comment-88627 Matthew Thu, 30 Jul 2009 23:32:14 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=7266#comment-88627 do you not see how many pop ups kershaw gets.. his fastball has soo much movement and such a high sppeeed nobody can touch him. you analysts are dumb.. maybe you should just watch him pitch for once do you not see how many pop ups kershaw gets.. his fastball has soo much movement and such a high sppeeed nobody can touch him. you analysts are dumb.. maybe you should just watch him pitch for once

]]> By: Matthew http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/three-lefty-playoff-rotation/#comment-88626 Matthew Thu, 30 Jul 2009 23:30:57 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=7266#comment-88626 yeah it is top notch cause your a idiot yeah it is top notch cause your a idiot

]]> By: DavidCEisen http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/three-lefty-playoff-rotation/#comment-88623 DavidCEisen Thu, 30 Jul 2009 23:25:20 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=7266#comment-88623 Leave Clayton Alone!!! Leave Clayton Alone!!!

]]> By: don http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/three-lefty-playoff-rotation/#comment-88612 don Thu, 30 Jul 2009 22:19:53 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=7266#comment-88612 Nolan Ryan - the most exciting .500 pitcher in baseball. You mean him? I'm not sure that's what you're going for. Right now Kershaw is benefiting from a very low HR/FB rate and a rather low BABIP. He strikes a lot of guys out but walks too many. Can he keep it up? We'll see. Nolan Ryan – the most exciting .500 pitcher in baseball. You mean him? I’m not sure that’s what you’re going for.

Right now Kershaw is benefiting from a very low HR/FB rate and a rather low BABIP. He strikes a lot of guys out but walks too many. Can he keep it up? We’ll see.

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