Top 15 Prospects: San Diego Padres
The San Diego system is deep. What’s most impressive is that the organization has been able to bulk up its minor league depth through a variety of methods: drafting, international free agency and trades. In particular, scouting director Jaron Madison had an outstanding draft in 2011. Even with the loss of some of its front office talent much more remains. The loss of young hurler Mat Latos through a trade with Cincinnati was a ballsy move and it stings a little but the organization is ultimately stronger for it. This is an organization on the upswing.
1. Yonder Alonso, 1B
BORN: April 8, 1987
EXPERIENCE: 4 seasons
ACQUIRED: 2008 1st round (7th overall), University of Miami (by Cincinnati)
2010-11 TOP 10 RANKING: 5th (Reds)
With the recent trade of fellow first base prospect Anthony Rizzo to the Chicago Cubs, Alonso is set to be San Diego’s starting first baseman in 2012. His ability to use the entire field and provide opposite-field pop will suit him well in his new ball park. Although he doesn’t have prototypical power (His power grades a 50), Alonso has the ability to hit for average and he has a strong eye at the plate that leads to a healthy number of walks. No longer blocked by Joey Votto in Cincinnati, the ugly experiment of placing Alonso is left field is over. He’ll return to his natural position of first base for the Padres, where he could eventually provide average to slightly-above-average defense at the position.
2. Yasmani Grandal, C
BORN: Nov. 8, 1988
EXPERIENCE: 2 seasons
ACQUIRED: 2010 1st round (12th overall), University of Miami (by Cincinnati)
2010-11 TOP 10 RANKING: 4th (Reds)
Like Yonder Alonso, Grandal was recently acquired from the Cincinnati Reds at the cost of young, talented hurler Mat Latos. The catcher is not as advanced as his trade-mate but he should open 2012 in triple-A and is about a year away from challenging the underrated Nick Hundley for the starting catcher’s job in San Diego. Grandal is a strong offensive-minded catcher who has hit well everywhere he’s played. He provides a solid batting average, power, and takes a good number of walks. His ability to switch hit gives him added value. On the defensive side, Grandal has his detractors, although he’s made some strides to clean up his receiving. He threw out more than 30% of base runners in ’11.
3. Rymer Liriano, OF
BORN: June 20, 1991
EXPERIENCE: 4 seasons
ACQUIRED: 2007 international free agent
2010-11 TOP 10 RANKING: Off
A key international signing, Liriano’s results have started to catch up to his tools. Just 20 years old in 2011, Liriano dominated low-A ball with a wRC+ of 157. He hit for average, got on base and ran like the wind. After nabbing 31 bases in ’10, he more than doubled that last season with 66 steals. The youngster showed some pop too with an ISO rate of .180; he could eventually grow into 20-25 home run power, which is good because his lower half is thickening up and that could eventually rob him of some of his speed. Liriano currently has the range to play center field but he’ll likely end up as a right-fielder where he’ll provide above-average arm strength.
4. Jedd Gyorko, 3B
BORN: Sept. 23, 1988
EXPERIENCE: 2 seasons
ACQUIRED: 2010 2nd round, University of West Virginia
2010-11 TOP 10 RANKING: 5th
An excellent value as a second round draft pick, Gyorko has hit better than expected in pro ball, although he’s also played in some strong hitter’s parks. A poor-fielding college shortstop, he’s settled in at third base where he’s OK thanks to decent range but his arm is average-at-best for the position. The club will eventually find a spot for him, though, as he posted a wRC+ of 169 in high-A ball before moving up to double-A where he continued to rake. On the year, Gyorko slugged 25 home runs, although his over-the-fence pop diminished once he left the cozy confines of the California League (ISO rate from .274 to .140). In the Majors, he’ll probably hit 15-20 homers, although that number could be muted further while playing half his games in San Diego. Luckily, he’ll also projects to hit for average thanks to his willingness to use the entire field.
According to a scout that I talked to about the Padres third base prospect, he has no doubt that Gyorko will be a solid third baseman. “His hands and feet work, he has an average arm, and his athleticism grows on you as you see him more. I thought the ingredients for his secondary tools to play were there and I think he’s proven himself in those facets of the game so far. Now he’s not going to be a gold glover, but he’s not going to be one of those guys that has to knock in more than he lets in.”
When asked if Gyorko’s power output in ’11 was for real, he gave an emphatic “yes,” but added that he was more of a line-drive hitter. “I believe his swing is more geared towards doubles which plays up the average grade some, so somewhere in the 40-45 doubles and 15-17 home run range at the big league level. The environment may push the home run total down in the future, but a line drive plays in any ballpark and with the juice in his bat and the gap-to-gap approach I don’t think you’re going to see a big hit in the home run department from level to level.”
The scout also commented that he had little doubt that Gyorko will develop into a productive big league player. “Jedd doesn’t have the ideal body type, so he will always fight the battle of staying in shape, but I have zero questions with his ability to do that. The kid’s a very impressive competitor and he’s super motivated to not just make it, but stay in the big leagues for a long time.”
5. Austin Hedges, C
BORN: Aug. 18, 1992
EXPERIENCE: None
ACQUIRED: 2011 2nd round, California HS
2010-11 TOP 10 RANKING: NA
The best defensive catcher in the 2011 draft, among both the prep and college ranks, Hedges could eventually carve out a similar career to former Padre Brad Ausmus. The young catcher is a plus defender both in terms of receiving and throwing skills. He also calls an advanced game and shows good leadership for his age. At the plate, though, there are questions. Hedges is too aggressive for his own good at the plate but he has plenty of time to hone his hitting skills, especially now that he has Yasmani Grandal ahead of him on the depth chart.
6. Casey Kelly, RHP
BORN: Oct. 4, 1989
EXPERIENCE: 4 seasons
ACQUIRED: 2008 1st round (30th overall), Florida HS
2010-11 TOP 10 RANKING: Unranked (traded shortly after the Padres Top 10 was posted)
Kelly entered pro ball with the Red Sox organization as a two-way player but eventually gave up hitting (His preferred role) to focus full time on pitching. The right-hander has a decent year in 2011, his first in the Padres organization. After spending 2010 in double-A, Kelly returned to the same level in ’11 and posted a 3.98 ERA (3.59 FIP) in 142.1 innings of work. He displays above-average control for his age thanks in part due to repeatable mechanics and natural athleticism. Kelly, though, did not strike out many batters and never really has and he also gave up a lot of hits – both of which combine to limit his ceiling a bit. His heater does get good sink and he induces a lot of ground-ball outs so he’ll need a strong defense behind him. Kelly’s repertoire includes an 88-94 mph fastball, potentially-plus curveball and a developing changeup. He has the ceiling of a No. 3 starter.
7. Robbie Erlin, LHP
BORN: Oct. 8, 1990
EXPERIENCE: 3 seasons
ACQUIRED: 2009 3rd round, California HS (by Texas)
2010-11 TOP 10 RANKING: 4th (Rangers)
Erlin is sort of a left-handed version of Casey Kelly in the sense that his main strength is his above-average control. The southpaw strikes out more batters, though, because he has added deception to his delivery, mixes his pitches like a veteran, and also has more run to his average-velocity heater. Erlin’s repertoire is a little more well-rounded, as well, with a solid curveball and a changeup that is quickly turning into a plus pitch. Acquired last season from Texas, his overall package is better suited to the National League and he could really thrive in San Diego. Erlin has the ceiling of a No. 3 starter but he could perhaps pitch up to the level of a No. 2 starter given his home ballpark.
8. Cory Spangenberg, 2B/3B
BORN: March 16, 1991
EXPERIENCE: 1 season
ACQUIRED: 2011 1st round (10th overall), Florida Junior College
2010-11 TOP 10 RANKING: NA
Spangenberg would likely rank higher on this list if his defensive home was a little more settled. An amateur third baseman, he was switched to second base in his pro debut and showed good range and but he needs to clean up his actions and foot work – something he’s surely to do with more experience. Center field could also eventually be another home for Spangenberg. The athletic prospect is an above-average hitter and runner with a below-average power tool. After walking twice as much as he struck out in short-season ball, his BB-K rate shifted significantly from 2.07 to 0.33 (and he also drove the ball a lot less frequently) when he was promoted to low-A, suggesting he might need some more seasoning in A-ball before being pushed too hard.
9. Joe Ross, RHP
BORN: May 21, 1993
EXPERIENCE: None
ACQUIRED: 2011 1st round (25th overall), California HS
2010-11 TOP 10 RANKING: NA
The brother of Oakland reliever Tyson Ross, Joe Ross has even more potential than his older brother because he has all the ingredients necessary to stick in the starting rotation. A strong athlete with a solid pitcher’s frame, the right-hander showcases three solid pitches in a low-90s fastball (that can touch 94-95 mph), potentially-plus changeup and a developing curveball. Ross didn’t pitch after signing but Ross could begin 2012 in low-A ball given his advanced feel for pitching.
10. Joe Wieland, RHP
BORN: Jan. 21, 1990
EXPERIENCE: 4 seasons
ACQUIRED: 2008 4th round, Nevada HS (by Texas)
2010-11 TOP 10 RANKING: Off (Rangers)
Another piece from the Mike Adams trade with Texas in ’11, Wieland has developed quickly as a pro and currently projects as a No. 3 starter at the big league level. He split last season between high-A and double-A, posting excellent numbers at both levels, although his strikeout rate dropped once he reached the senior level. Wieland displays above-average control for his age. He has an average fastball in the 87-92 mph range (it can touch 93-94 mph at times) and his repertoire also includes three other average offerings in a curveball, slider, and changeup. Wieland has the ceiling of a No. 3 or 4 starter.
11. Keyvius Sampson, RHP: Injury issues have slowed Sampson’s ascent to top prospect but he’s starting to get the recognition that he deserves. He used his two above-average pitches (fastball, changeup) to strike out a healthy number of batters (10.91 K/9) in low-A ball last season. Sampson also showed improved durability by almost tripling his innings total from 43 in ’10 to 118 in ’11. As he moves up the ladder, the right-hander will need to tighten up his curveball or he could end up as a set-up man in the Majors. With a number of solid pitching prospects ahead of him, the Padres organization can afford to be patient with his development.
12. James Darnell, 3B/OF: Soley a third baseman prior to 2011, Darnell also received 24 appearances in the outfield while playing at both double-A and triple-A – thanks to the presence of Chase Headley at the MLB level. Darnell is not an overly gifted fielder at the hot corner, he’s not very athletic and his main source of value is tied up in his bat (and power). As a result, he may not be a very successful player if half his games occur in San Diego’s spacious park. A trade would be the best thing for him and the organization.
13. Brad Boxberger, RHP: Part of the loot for Mat Latos, Boxberger has the chance to develop into a high-leverage reliever for the Padres. The right-hander has a fastball that sits around 93-95 mph with good movement. His slider has the potential to develop into a plus pitch and he may eventually ditch the below-average changeup or at least use it extremely sparingly. If he become more consistent with command and control than Boxberger could see some time as a big league closer.
14. Jaff Decker, OF: After missing a good chunk of 2010 due to injury, Decker return at full strength in ’11 but he hit just .236 at double-A. He hit very well in the low minors but has struggled to hit for average since reaching high-A ball, leading to question marks about his overall potential. Decker doesn’t have much defensive value and is limited to left field or first base (which he’s really too short for at 5’10”).
15. Reymond Fuentes, OF: With the trade of Anthony Rizzo to Chicago, the organization is left with Casey Kelly and Fuentes as the loot acquired from Boston in the Adrian Gonzalez trade. Fuentes struggled a bit in high-A ball in ’11 and posted a wRC+ of just 88. The main issue was the number of strikeouts (20.4 K%). On the plus side, Fuentes stole 40+ bases for the second straight season and also continued to play stellar defense.
SLEEPER ALERT: Alberth Martinez, OF: Martinez is a young player that does a little bit of everything on the baseball diamond. He’s a strong defender with good arm strength and should develop into a solid right fielder. Martinez also showed advanced hitting skills, posting a wRC+ of 154 with good pop in Rookie ball. He’s a little too aggressive at the plate but he does a nice job barreling the ball and he also makes good use of his slightly-above-average speed – both on the bases and in the field. The organization should challenge him with a promotion to low-A in ’12 and it will be a key year in helping to determine if he has what it takes to be an everyday player or if he’s more of a role player.



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Donovan Tate has certainly fallen, not even listed in the top 15?
Everyone is sort of in “wait and see” mode with Tate. When he is on the field, he hits well. Especially for someone who has lost so much development time to injury. It’s pretty easy to see him put himself back on the map in 2012 if he stays on the field.
Great list Marc. Amazing what a few key trades can do for a system.
Alberth Martinez is an interesting choice for Sleeper Alert. Depth in the system may actually force him into starting his season back in the Northwest League which wouldn’t be the worst thing for him. As you mentioned, Martinez’s approach needs a lot of work.
It’s also worth noting that, as a converted shortstop, Kelly can provide significant plus value with his glove. Pitcher fielding isn’t a huge consideration, but it’s part of run prevention nevertheless.
Saying Jaff Decker is too short for 1st base at 5’10″ is a weird comment to me, since Prince Fielder is only 5’11″ and less athletic han Decker. Definitely shorter than a team would prefer, but if he can’t play left and he can mash (an entirely different problem from his height), I find it difficult to believe the fact that he isn’t a couple inches taller would deprive him of 1st base role.
It’s too bad we can’t give our power hitting prospects a chance to shine. The reasoning behind keeping the fences back is idiotic. I’m tired of the “he has a chance to pitch well in Petco.” So does the opposing pitcher! Projecting a power position at 15-20 homers says nothing for the future. We can get Scott Hairston to do that.
More than anything, I want them to adjust the RF fences. Petco is tough on righties, but it’s absolute murder on lefties.
And not all “15-20 home run” guys are created equal.
I just can’t get as excited as Austin Hedges as some people are. I think this system is way too deep to rank a glove first/glove only catcher with zero pro data in the top 5. I understand that his glove will likely get him to the majors, but what if the bat never develops? How valuable is Jeff Mathis?
There have been reports that his bat is better than expected. Scouts raved about him and Joe Ross when they saw them in the Arizona instructional league in September.
I’m kind of surprised at the lack of love for Edinson Rincon on lists this offseason. He may be limited to corner OF or even 1B, but the bat looks pretty legitimate at this point. Was he close for you Marc?
He was probably in the 16-20 range. Nice offensive improvement but it was done in the Cal League… and it was only over half a season. Because he’s all bat and likely a big league corner outfielder, I’m playing it cautious with him this season.
Where would Andrew Cashner rank if he still had his prospect status?
I would probably have had Cashner after Spangenberg. I really like Andrew but I think the injury tips the scale in favor of a career in the ‘pen, which hurts his value a bit. Good stuff though and should definitely be a high-leverage reliever who could really dominate in SD.
What was the rationale behind Kelly over Erlin? Erlin had all around substantially better numbers to Kelly at the same level (AA) all while being a whole year younger.
Perhaps its pedantic arguing over one spot, but given the juxtaposition, it seems an obvious choice to favor Erlin over Kelly. Marc even conceded Erlin might have a slightly higher upside.
Honestly, they were ranked one point apart…Kelly got the nod because of more athleticism and a little better delivery, as well as pedigree. You could flip and flop and I wouldn’t argue one bit.
I just read through the past articles on Casey Kelly, and I’ve never really understood or agreed with all of the buzz. Other than being a 2-way player, I’m wondering what all the hub-bub about him really was? He was BOS’s #1 prospect in 2010.
1. Doesn’t strike out a lot of batters, while playing a position where strikeout rates for young pitchers might be the most important thing.
2. above average to excellent control.
3. GB pitcher whose GB rates have declined with each promotion.
Combine the lower K rate with the GB rate and he will always be a pitcher that gives up a lot of hits. More BIP and GB have a higher BABIP than FB.
As he’s moved up, the K rate has dropped, the walk rate has increased, and the hr rate has stayed about the same … all this while averaging just a tad over 5 IP per start. So, he’s getting through the lineup twice with change.
Things like “potential plus curveball” and “developing changeup” could also read as “average deuce” and “no changeup”.
Just another reminder for us to temper excitement over what guys do in A-ball.
I agree that #3 SP is his ceiling, and I’m not ridiculing you (marc) at all. I just didn’t agree with all the buzz about Casey Kelly.
Boston and New York prospects always strike me as overrated. I don’t know if it’s because of the east coast bias, if it’s because if they do hold onto a prospect instead of blocking them with a FA signing the logic is that they must be good, whatever it is, they always seem overrated. Joba was supposed to be Clemens and Hughes was supposed to be Pettite. Those are more fans talking though.
Circle… I think part of it also was that Kelly was one of the top prospects (if not the top prospect) in what was a VERY thin system at the time (back in 2009)
When you see and hear about a guy being an organizations top prospect, I don’t think people factor in that someone has to be #1 in each organization and that doesn’t mean ace or superstar.
I also think a lot of it was the “young for his age” and “new to pitching” so the assumption was there was more upside than a “normal” pitching prospect (which I think is a flawed way to view things)
Circle, not sure what your looking at to see Kelly’s GB% diminishing with each promotion, but per statcorner:
’09 A: 54.1%
’09 A+:50.4%
’10 AA: 45.2%
’11 AA: 53.5%
His 2011 rate compared to major league qualifying starters would have ranked 12th out of about 100.
He saw sizeable improvement in what opponents hit off him during his two tours at AA.
2010 – .307/.365/.487 (384 AB) FIP: 4.09
2011 – .278/.334/.392 (550 AB) FIP: 3.59
People act like he made no improvement based soley on his K% dropping from 19% to 17.1%. Definitely not a future ace, but a career like Jon Garland or Derek Lowe could be in the cards.
Prince Fielder is a 5′ 10″ 1st basemen, although comparing Prince to Decker is like comparing Nixon to Washington.
How does Trot Nixon and LeVon Washington compare?
The depth, but lack of a super highly rated prospect makes the top of this system really interesting. Baseball Prospectus did their ranking before Alonso and Grandal were acquired (and before Rizzo was traded away) and had the top 9 prospects as 4-star players. John Sickels did his post trades had the top 7 as B+ with 8 and 9 as borderline B+.
Thanks for the list Marc. Out of curiosity, where would you rank Adys Portillo? I know his numbers have been atrocious since receiving a sizable bonus as an intnl FA, but does his stuff and/or projectability still warrant serious prospect consideration, or has his star faded that substantially?
I’ve ranked Portillo fairly high in the past based on his potential… He falls a fair bit this year because of depth… He’d probably be in the 20-25 range.
i just moved into the Fort Wayne area and will definitely be going to some TinCaps games. What are some of the players on this list that I can expect to see this year?
Rymer Liriano was awesome to see last year. I doubt he stays there though.
Austin Hedges, Joe Ross and Alberth Martinez have the best chances, from this list, of appearing in Fort Wayne.
I’ve seen Jonathan Galvez as high as #58 on an overall top-100. Probably an absurd ranking but I don’t see this guy on any Padres top-15 lists. Were his numbers a total fluke last year or is there some upside here?
People are unsure about where he plays. He has strong wrists and a good approach at the plate, so the numbers in Elsinore weren’t simply a Cal League mirage (especially at age 20 until just last week). He could certainly be a 15HR/30 SB guy. But the club’s far from sold on getting him to stick at 2B.
Should be interesting to watch the playing time split between Galvez, Valdez and Cumberland up the middle in San Antonio this year.
Hey Marc great article. Where do you see Jace Peterson in all this? I know he is a young guy, but what’s his long term potential look like?
Same question about Galvez… some lists have him high while others do not have him listed. I’m thinking this is because Spangenberg is rated higher as a 2B than he is… Looking at depth, I could see Galvez being a long term corner OF solution (eventually).
Marc, what are your thoughts on me?
I would have placed lefty starter Juan Oramas in the top ten. He has three pitches he can put anywhere in the zone, challenges hitters and misses bats, and has a bulldog presence on the mound. His body doesn’t “project” but neither did Fernando Valenzuela’s either, and Juan reminds me of Fernando A LOT. In fact, I’m thinking of trademarking “Juan-O-Mania”. He’s only a year away, so it won’t be long to wait…