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	<title>Comments on: Torre Makes His Team Worse</title>
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		<title>By: wobatus</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/torre-makes-his-team-worse/#comment-101686</link>
		<dc:creator>wobatus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 21:50:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yup</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yup</p>
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		<title>By: wobatus</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/torre-makes-his-team-worse/#comment-101685</link>
		<dc:creator>wobatus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 21:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There were &quot;hot hand&quot; responses, but there were a lot of others that discussed other issues.  The 2 &quot;sides&quot; ned to chill.  There are actually people in this world that both know stats and know that sometimes a guy is hurt and needs to sit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There were &#8220;hot hand&#8221; responses, but there were a lot of others that discussed other issues.  The 2 &#8220;sides&#8221; ned to chill.  There are actually people in this world that both know stats and know that sometimes a guy is hurt and needs to sit.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe R</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/torre-makes-his-team-worse/#comment-101651</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 19:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will give him originality points, though. Usually, stat geek slams come in the form of citing a small sample size wonder, something about walking with 2 outs, or a pro-small ball reference. Never heard Ronnie Belliard integrated into one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will give him originality points, though. Usually, stat geek slams come in the form of citing a small sample size wonder, something about walking with 2 outs, or a pro-small ball reference. Never heard Ronnie Belliard integrated into one.</p>
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		<title>By: wobatus</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/torre-makes-his-team-worse/#comment-101629</link>
		<dc:creator>wobatus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 17:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Vode&#039;s response to you is correct.  Saying that Torre might know that Hudson is gassed, sees him practice, talks to the trainer, etc. is not suggesting he is infallible.  But he does indded have some info dave doesn&#039;t have.  And the wOBA and WAR differences between these 2 players over their career doesn&#039;t mean gassed or hurt orlando hudson (and he had a wrist injury last year, recall) is going to outplay belliard right now.  They were way too close to make some definitive &quot;Torre makes team worse&quot; leap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Vode&#8217;s response to you is correct.  Saying that Torre might know that Hudson is gassed, sees him practice, talks to the trainer, etc. is not suggesting he is infallible.  But he does indded have some info dave doesn&#8217;t have.  And the wOBA and WAR differences between these 2 players over their career doesn&#8217;t mean gassed or hurt orlando hudson (and he had a wrist injury last year, recall) is going to outplay belliard right now.  They were way too close to make some definitive &#8220;Torre makes team worse&#8221; leap.</p>
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		<title>By: wobatus</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/torre-makes-his-team-worse/#comment-101626</link>
		<dc:creator>wobatus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 17:34:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See, this goes way too far the other way.  Why even bother coming here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See, this goes way too far the other way.  Why even bother coming here?</p>
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		<title>By: wobatus</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/torre-makes-his-team-worse/#comment-101625</link>
		<dc:creator>wobatus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 17:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to say I didn&#039;t understand why this became a huge issue.  Joe Torre may make questionable decisions as all managers do but is it possible he saw that Belliard was fresh and healthy and playing like he has when given a chance ina decent environment, while Hudson, who may be slightly better when on, had nagging injuries and was evidently slowing down.  Hudson may have been better over a long career and even earlier this year, but he&#039;s not so much better that he can overcome physical problems.  Recall that some teams shied away because of his wrist from last year.

I don&#039;t think dave is a clueless jackass, but I do take this site to task at times for being able to dish out out to managers and management and then being awfully defensive themselves when called on it.  And then falling back on small sample size and other defenses of the process over results, which is fine, but some of the more blatant examples that i thought at the time were wrong were: calling out twins for signing Kubel, defending Brian Giles as a good bet to be worth his contract this year, that White Sox got a steal with Rios and Blue Jays were foolish, this article...I think there tends to be some blindness at times as to what is going on in front of there noses.  With Kubel, a decent chance of improvement.  With Giles,a  good chance a bounce back year last year masked the undeniable overall decline (and a desire to back their consistent argument that you can&#039;t write off players at x age due to a brief cold streak).  With Hudson and Belliard, a likely injury or just run down player.  With Rios, someone in a pretty serious tailspin (which he may reverse next year, who knows, but also forgetting the Blue Jays signed him right before the economy collapsed and as their attendance fell off a cliff, and no one would claim Wells so that wouldn&#039;t have helped).  You get the feeling that in baerga or Robbie Alomar&#039;s first year with the Mets Dave would have been saying lay off Mets fans, these guys will bounce back.  Sometimes, guys don&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to say I didn&#8217;t understand why this became a huge issue.  Joe Torre may make questionable decisions as all managers do but is it possible he saw that Belliard was fresh and healthy and playing like he has when given a chance ina decent environment, while Hudson, who may be slightly better when on, had nagging injuries and was evidently slowing down.  Hudson may have been better over a long career and even earlier this year, but he&#8217;s not so much better that he can overcome physical problems.  Recall that some teams shied away because of his wrist from last year.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think dave is a clueless jackass, but I do take this site to task at times for being able to dish out out to managers and management and then being awfully defensive themselves when called on it.  And then falling back on small sample size and other defenses of the process over results, which is fine, but some of the more blatant examples that i thought at the time were wrong were: calling out twins for signing Kubel, defending Brian Giles as a good bet to be worth his contract this year, that White Sox got a steal with Rios and Blue Jays were foolish, this article&#8230;I think there tends to be some blindness at times as to what is going on in front of there noses.  With Kubel, a decent chance of improvement.  With Giles,a  good chance a bounce back year last year masked the undeniable overall decline (and a desire to back their consistent argument that you can&#8217;t write off players at x age due to a brief cold streak).  With Hudson and Belliard, a likely injury or just run down player.  With Rios, someone in a pretty serious tailspin (which he may reverse next year, who knows, but also forgetting the Blue Jays signed him right before the economy collapsed and as their attendance fell off a cliff, and no one would claim Wells so that wouldn&#8217;t have helped).  You get the feeling that in baerga or Robbie Alomar&#8217;s first year with the Mets Dave would have been saying lay off Mets fans, these guys will bounce back.  Sometimes, guys don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Vode</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vode</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 01:45:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m guessing you didn&#039;t sense my sarcasm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m guessing you didn&#8217;t sense my sarcasm.</p>
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		<title>By: Vode</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vode</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 01:19:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JoeyO - enjoy the rest of your scotch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JoeyO &#8211; enjoy the rest of your scotch.</p>
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		<title>By: JoeR43</title>
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		<dc:creator>JoeR43</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 19:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seriously, look at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;source=hp&amp;q=Mark+Sanchez+poise&amp;aq=f&amp;oq=&amp;aqi=&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt;. 23,000 results about Mark Sanchez&#039;s poise in just 0.27 seconds. I only got 14,800 for Peyton Manning, and in 0.29 seconds.

&lt;b&gt;EVEN GOOGLE UNDERSTANDS MARK SANCHEZ IS FULL OF POISE-FUL POISENESS.&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seriously, look at <a href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;source=hp&amp;q=Mark+Sanchez+poise&amp;aq=f&amp;oq=&amp;aqi=" rel="nofollow">this</a>. 23,000 results about Mark Sanchez&#8217;s poise in just 0.27 seconds. I only got 14,800 for Peyton Manning, and in 0.29 seconds.</p>
<p><b>EVEN GOOGLE UNDERSTANDS MARK SANCHEZ IS FULL OF POISE-FUL POISENESS.</b></p>
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		<title>By: JoeyO</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/torre-makes-his-team-worse/#comment-101463</link>
		<dc:creator>JoeyO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 19:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Looks like Belliard started game 1 over Hudson. JOE TORRE IS THE DEVIL.”

Ah yes, the “Don’t you dare talk about my team” argument. 

Believe it or not Chicken Little, the ability for one to see a blimish shouldn’t be taken as if the sky will fall. And I know this may come as a shock to you, but no team lives in a force-field bubble protecting them from having flaws – even the team you root for.

Now don’t worry, we understand it takes time coming to grips with imperfection. But that doesn’t mean it wouldn’t do you some good to remove that denial from your forehead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Looks like Belliard started game 1 over Hudson. JOE TORRE IS THE DEVIL.”</p>
<p>Ah yes, the “Don’t you dare talk about my team” argument. </p>
<p>Believe it or not Chicken Little, the ability for one to see a blimish shouldn’t be taken as if the sky will fall. And I know this may come as a shock to you, but no team lives in a force-field bubble protecting them from having flaws – even the team you root for.</p>
<p>Now don’t worry, we understand it takes time coming to grips with imperfection. But that doesn’t mean it wouldn’t do you some good to remove that denial from your forehead.</p>
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