Comments on: Trade Andruw? Good Luck. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/trade-andruw-good-luck/ Daily baseball statistical analysis and commentary Sun, 12 Feb 2012 20:36:47 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: kensai http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/trade-andruw-good-luck/#comment-49480 kensai Thu, 30 Oct 2008 11:43:22 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/trade-andruw-good-luck/#comment-49480 I never believed in the boogeyman as a child, little did I know it would manifest itself later in my life as Andruw Jones. He makes me cry inside. I never believed in the boogeyman as a child, little did I know it would manifest itself later in my life as Andruw Jones.

He makes me cry inside.

]]> By: Dave P. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/trade-andruw-good-luck/#comment-48335 Dave P. Thu, 23 Oct 2008 02:50:26 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/trade-andruw-good-luck/#comment-48335 The only good news is that LA only signed Jones for 2 years. Bad contracts become worse when they're long-term deals. The only good news is that LA only signed Jones for 2 years. Bad contracts become worse when they’re long-term deals.

]]> By: obsessivegiantscompulsive http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/trade-andruw-good-luck/#comment-48310 obsessivegiantscompulsive Wed, 22 Oct 2008 21:30:57 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/trade-andruw-good-luck/#comment-48310 He was playing for his contract in 2007 and failed too. I would love to see Boras' infamous book when Andruw becomes free agent again, there's really no way to try to spin it, he was horrible in 2008, as well 2007 wasn't that good either. I didn't care for Castillo either, he's like a Juan Pierre (another Colletti bust) playing in the middle infield. But if the Mets took over all of Andruw's payment, it might be worth trading Castillo for Jones, just to get his salary off the books sooner for the Mets, and the Dodgers would have Castillo as an OK bench player for the middle infield instead of a useless bench spot in the OF where they would still have Pierre sitting on the bench too. He was playing for his contract in 2007 and failed too. I would love to see Boras’ infamous book when Andruw becomes free agent again, there’s really no way to try to spin it, he was horrible in 2008, as well 2007 wasn’t that good either.

I didn’t care for Castillo either, he’s like a Juan Pierre (another Colletti bust) playing in the middle infield.

But if the Mets took over all of Andruw’s payment, it might be worth trading Castillo for Jones, just to get his salary off the books sooner for the Mets, and the Dodgers would have Castillo as an OK bench player for the middle infield instead of a useless bench spot in the OF where they would still have Pierre sitting on the bench too.

]]> By: obsessivegiantscompulsive http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/trade-andruw-good-luck/#comment-48308 obsessivegiantscompulsive Wed, 22 Oct 2008 21:26:12 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/trade-andruw-good-luck/#comment-48308 This is old news. Andruw Jones hasn't had a season that suggested any rebound for a few years now. Just look at his stats leading up to 2008, there was no reason to believe he was not on his decline phase of his career and 2008 made that abundantly clearer, whatever 2007 did not. He can take a seat next to Colletti's other big flop of a signing, Jason Schmidt, or better, they can be bookends on the bench. That'll be close to $40M sitting on the bench for 2009 between just the two of them, the Dodger's should be horrible next year, even with their good young prospects. Even if Schmidt is able to start the season, given his injury history, you cannot really rely on him to start the whole season nor can you expect him to just start pitching like he's being paid, just like that, after being out for so long.. This is old news. Andruw Jones hasn’t had a season that suggested any rebound for a few years now. Just look at his stats leading up to 2008, there was no reason to believe he was not on his decline phase of his career and 2008 made that abundantly clearer, whatever 2007 did not.

He can take a seat next to Colletti’s other big flop of a signing, Jason Schmidt, or better, they can be bookends on the bench.

That’ll be close to $40M sitting on the bench for 2009 between just the two of them, the Dodger’s should be horrible next year, even with their good young prospects. Even if Schmidt is able to start the season, given his injury history, you cannot really rely on him to start the whole season nor can you expect him to just start pitching like he’s being paid, just like that, after being out for so long..

]]> By: mymrbig http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/trade-andruw-good-luck/#comment-48305 mymrbig Wed, 22 Oct 2008 21:20:41 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/trade-andruw-good-luck/#comment-48305 He was ridiculously horrible last year. But he is playing for his next contract, and this season's embarassment might have spurred him a little. Luis Castillo is basically worthless and has no upside (not that he ever had much). Andruw is basically worthless, but still has upside. On a 1-year contract where the other team picks up a few million and takes back one of my bad contracts, I would take the risk. If the Mets don't have to pay any of Andruw's signing bonus, he is "only" $15 million, or $9 million more than Luis Castillo. Plus the trade would remove Castillo's $6 million salary in 2010 and 2011. I would certainly rather have Andruw, considering he is only signed for 1 year and is playing for his contract and reputation. Its not like the Mets are poor or giving up anything of value in such a deal. He was ridiculously horrible last year. But he is playing for his next contract, and this season’s embarassment might have spurred him a little. Luis Castillo is basically worthless and has no upside (not that he ever had much). Andruw is basically worthless, but still has upside. On a 1-year contract where the other team picks up a few million and takes back one of my bad contracts, I would take the risk.

If the Mets don’t have to pay any of Andruw’s signing bonus, he is “only” $15 million, or $9 million more than Luis Castillo. Plus the trade would remove Castillo’s $6 million salary in 2010 and 2011. I would certainly rather have Andruw, considering he is only signed for 1 year and is playing for his contract and reputation. Its not like the Mets are poor or giving up anything of value in such a deal.

]]> By: Tom Au http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/trade-andruw-good-luck/#comment-48291 Tom Au Wed, 22 Oct 2008 19:08:17 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/trade-andruw-good-luck/#comment-48291 I've long felt that Andruw Jones was an overrated player, and wondered why the Braves kept him as long as they did. Fortunately for them, he's now the Dodgers' problem. But he strikes me as the fielders' version of the Pirates' former starter Matt Morris, an eight-figure salaried "replacement player"--or worse. I’ve long felt that Andruw Jones was an overrated player, and wondered why the Braves kept him as long as they did. Fortunately for them, he’s now the Dodgers’ problem. But he strikes me as the fielders’ version of the Pirates’ former starter Matt Morris, an eight-figure salaried “replacement player”–or worse.

]]> By: BraveBronco0121 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/trade-andruw-good-luck/#comment-48289 BraveBronco0121 Wed, 22 Oct 2008 19:05:59 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/trade-andruw-good-luck/#comment-48289 Ol' Ned will just have to eat this contract unless there's a GM out there who owes him one whopper of a favor. As a Braves fan, I was always a big fan of Andruw, but I was glad to see the team let him go in free agency. While I don't blame his weight gain for the struggles at the plate, it did kill his footspeed and his range in center was clearly not what it once was. Combine that with the lack of discipline at the dish and a lot of signs were pointing to a rather quick demise. Ol’ Ned will just have to eat this contract unless there’s a GM out there who owes him one whopper of a favor. As a Braves fan, I was always a big fan of Andruw, but I was glad to see the team let him go in free agency. While I don’t blame his weight gain for the struggles at the plate, it did kill his footspeed and his range in center was clearly not what it once was. Combine that with the lack of discipline at the dish and a lot of signs were pointing to a rather quick demise.

]]> By: Basil Ganglia http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/trade-andruw-good-luck/#comment-48272 Basil Ganglia Wed, 22 Oct 2008 16:24:56 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/trade-andruw-good-luck/#comment-48272 <i>"What about Andruw for Luis Castillo, with the Dodgers paying the rest of Andruw’s signing bonus, plus throwing in a couple million for his 2008 salary. Both teams get rid of headaches and bad contracts to fill a slight need."</i> How do you "fill a slight need" by acquiring a player who is worse than almost any of the other options you have to address that need? “What about Andruw for Luis Castillo, with the Dodgers paying the rest of Andruw’s signing bonus, plus throwing in a couple million for his 2008 salary. Both teams get rid of headaches and bad contracts to fill a slight need.”

How do you “fill a slight need” by acquiring a player who is worse than almost any of the other options you have to address that need?

]]> By: mymrbig http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/trade-andruw-good-luck/#comment-48268 mymrbig Wed, 22 Oct 2008 16:06:50 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/trade-andruw-good-luck/#comment-48268 What about Andruw for Luis Castillo, with the Dodgers paying the rest of Andruw's signing bonus, plus throwing in a couple million for his 2008 salary. Both teams get rid of headaches and bad contracts to fill a slight need. What about Andruw for Luis Castillo, with the Dodgers paying the rest of Andruw’s signing bonus, plus throwing in a couple million for his 2008 salary. Both teams get rid of headaches and bad contracts to fill a slight need.

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