Comments on: Twins Loaded with Pitching Talent http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/twins-loaded-with-pitching-talent/ Daily baseball statistical analysis and commentary Mon, 13 Feb 2012 00:21:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: KMils http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/twins-loaded-with-pitching-talent/#comment-61970 KMils Sat, 07 Feb 2009 02:52:23 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=2778#comment-61970 Yeah, the Twins probably would have been better off getting a few hitters, but their options were rather limited. From what we can sort of figure out, the Yankees were offering pitching, the Red Sox were doing the same and the Mets were offering what the Twins ended up getting. Unfortunately, nobody really knows the offers that were coming in - it's quite possible that the Mets deal offered the best position player (in Gomez) that the Twins felt they were going to get. He is a spectacularly good center fielder, even if he is trending towards replacement level with the bat. In the end, they possibly would have gotten more if they handled Johan like the Indians handled CC - it was bad timing brought on by their impatience/Johan's desire to move/whatever. But a LaPorta-esque impact bat would be nice. Yeah, the Twins probably would have been better off getting a few hitters, but their options were rather limited. From what we can sort of figure out, the Yankees were offering pitching, the Red Sox were doing the same and the Mets were offering what the Twins ended up getting. Unfortunately, nobody really knows the offers that were coming in – it’s quite possible that the Mets deal offered the best position player (in Gomez) that the Twins felt they were going to get. He is a spectacularly good center fielder, even if he is trending towards replacement level with the bat.

In the end, they possibly would have gotten more if they handled Johan like the Indians handled CC – it was bad timing brought on by their impatience/Johan’s desire to move/whatever. But a LaPorta-esque impact bat would be nice.

]]> By: Tom Au http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/twins-loaded-with-pitching-talent/#comment-61732 Tom Au Thu, 05 Feb 2009 14:18:39 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=2778#comment-61732 I said that the Twins "needed to" exchange Santana for hitters. I didn't say that they did so, which may be why they are stuck on square one. I said that the Twins “needed to” exchange Santana for hitters. I didn’t say that they did so, which may be why they are stuck on square one.

]]> By: BaDA http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/twins-loaded-with-pitching-talent/#comment-61674 BaDA Thu, 05 Feb 2009 00:42:14 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=2778#comment-61674 The Twins received only one "hitter" in the Santana deal, Carlos Gomez, and I don't know if you want to call him a hitter, maybe just a great fielder and runner... Other than that, the Twins got Phil Humber (Not looking so good, has a chance to make the team, but is out of options) Kevin Mulvey (chance to be a #4, maybe) and Deolis Guerra who has regressed, but granted the Twins are probably teaching him differently than the Mets did, and is still very young (20?) for Hi-A The Twins received only one “hitter” in the Santana deal, Carlos Gomez, and I don’t know if you want to call him a hitter, maybe just a great fielder and runner…

Other than that, the Twins got Phil Humber (Not looking so good, has a chance to make the team, but is out of options) Kevin Mulvey (chance to be a #4, maybe) and Deolis Guerra who has regressed, but granted the Twins are probably teaching him differently than the Mets did, and is still very young (20?) for Hi-A

]]> By: philosofool http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/twins-loaded-with-pitching-talent/#comment-61667 philosofool Wed, 04 Feb 2009 22:44:57 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=2778#comment-61667 It's hard to judge a pitcher who's considered "in development" in the minors from stats alone. If a pitcher is intended to be a starter, he needs a three pitch arsenal. Even if he has two plus pitches, if the third is a definitely a work in progress, his stats may not reflect his ceiling well at all. It's entirely possible that his regression in 2008 was a result of working on a new pitch. The Twins are almost certainly the best team in the country when it comes to developing pitching talent, so if they promoted him from AA to AAA last year, that's because he was ready for AAA. It’s hard to judge a pitcher who’s considered “in development” in the minors from stats alone. If a pitcher is intended to be a starter, he needs a three pitch arsenal. Even if he has two plus pitches, if the third is a definitely a work in progress, his stats may not reflect his ceiling well at all. It’s entirely possible that his regression in 2008 was a result of working on a new pitch. The Twins are almost certainly the best team in the country when it comes to developing pitching talent, so if they promoted him from AA to AAA last year, that’s because he was ready for AAA.

]]> By: Sean http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/twins-loaded-with-pitching-talent/#comment-61654 Sean Wed, 04 Feb 2009 19:43:59 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=2778#comment-61654 Are you not concerned about a K-rate (5.20 / 6.73) that seems low for the minor leagues? Are you not concerned about a K-rate (5.20 / 6.73) that seems low for the minor leagues?

]]> By: Tom Au http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/twins-loaded-with-pitching-talent/#comment-61653 Tom Au Wed, 04 Feb 2009 19:43:20 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=2778#comment-61653 This is a team that could (and needed to) exchange Johan Santana for hitting. This is a team that could (and needed to) exchange Johan Santana for hitting.

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