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		<title>By: AM</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/twins-sign-kubel-why/#comment-102687</link>
		<dc:creator>AM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 12:48:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kubel produced a 3.0 WAR season.  This is what Twins expected of him once he finally got his health all the way back.  And by signing him before this season, they saved a lot of money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kubel produced a 3.0 WAR season.  This is what Twins expected of him once he finally got his health all the way back.  And by signing him before this season, they saved a lot of money.</p>
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		<title>By: joser</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/twins-sign-kubel-why/#comment-100900</link>
		<dc:creator>joser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 20:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Only if he also revisits all the articles where his analysis turned out to be spot on (and made &lt;i&gt;you&lt;/i&gt; eat &lt;i&gt;them&lt;/i&gt;).  And if he did that, revisiting both his victories and failures, he wouldn&#039;t have time for anything new.  And then what would you have to lazily snark at?

Maybe Kubel is on a roll, growing into the player he could be, and maybe the Twins saw something others (not just Dave) didn&#039;t.  Or maybe he&#039;s a one-season wonder, and the Twins lucked into lightning in a bottle just in time to make a run at the post season, and he&#039;ll never have a year like this again.  Both are possible.  I guess we&#039;ll have to wait and see.

My mid-season analysis above still stands: he&#039;s at a career high for both IF hits and BABIP, so a good chunk of this could still be luck.  And he&#039;s still a liability in the outfield.

I&#039;m sure in the pre-season next year Dave will get around to looking at Kuble again, since he tends to analyze all of the teams&#039; outlooks eventually.  Unless Kubel turns out to be a key piece of a World Series Twins team, I don&#039;t see any need to revisit this until then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only if he also revisits all the articles where his analysis turned out to be spot on (and made <i>you</i> eat <i>them</i>).  And if he did that, revisiting both his victories and failures, he wouldn&#8217;t have time for anything new.  And then what would you have to lazily snark at?</p>
<p>Maybe Kubel is on a roll, growing into the player he could be, and maybe the Twins saw something others (not just Dave) didn&#8217;t.  Or maybe he&#8217;s a one-season wonder, and the Twins lucked into lightning in a bottle just in time to make a run at the post season, and he&#8217;ll never have a year like this again.  Both are possible.  I guess we&#8217;ll have to wait and see.</p>
<p>My mid-season analysis above still stands: he&#8217;s at a career high for both IF hits and BABIP, so a good chunk of this could still be luck.  And he&#8217;s still a liability in the outfield.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure in the pre-season next year Dave will get around to looking at Kuble again, since he tends to analyze all of the teams&#8217; outlooks eventually.  Unless Kubel turns out to be a key piece of a World Series Twins team, I don&#8217;t see any need to revisit this until then.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Heiner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron Heiner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 18:04:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Care to revisit this article?  Eat your words, perhaps?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Care to revisit this article?  Eat your words, perhaps?</p>
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		<title>By: joser</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/twins-sign-kubel-why/#comment-86943</link>
		<dc:creator>joser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 17:35:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At mid-season Kubel is posting a much higher wOBA (.396) and ZIPS now has him projected to end the season at .388 (ie regressing a bit to .364 for the rest of the season).  Mostly this is due to a .351 BABIP, which is &lt;i&gt;much&lt;/i&gt; higher than his career value (which has mostly bumped around .300).  On top of that his fielding numbers, while still negative, are not quite as bad as the past couple of years, though we know any one year&#039;s UZR does not a trend make.  But most of his improvement has been in his offensive numbers.

So what is going on at the plate? His swing rate has gone up somewhat and his contact rate has gone down the same amount, but he&#039;s already at 31 BB in 319 PA, vs 47 in 517 last year, so even though he&#039;s not showing more patience his improved offense seems to be causing pitchers to treat him more carefully (already 8 IBB vs 2 all of last year).  When he does get something to hit he&#039;s punishing them (.245 ISO this year, a big jump over .199 last year, though there&#039;s been a clear upward trend with that stat over his career).

As it stands in mid-late July, the Twins made a good deal here -- they&#039;re getting much better production than Hinske, and yet so far have paid Kubel less than he&#039;s worth.  The question is whether this will continue going forward.  His HR/FB rate has jumped to a career high of 17.4% (though he reached almost 15% in 2006), so some of it is power.  But his infield hit percentage has also jumped from 4% last year to 6.5% this year, some of it is luck (because his speed score has actually dropped this year).  Batters do have some control over BABIP, so if Kubel has figured something out and is able to drive more balls into gaps (and the seats) consistently, then this might be a legit improvement.  He&#039;s got the rest of the season to regress (he&#039;s probably not going to keep beating out so many infield hits), and there&#039;s still next year, but for now it looks like the Twins got a bargain after all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At mid-season Kubel is posting a much higher wOBA (.396) and ZIPS now has him projected to end the season at .388 (ie regressing a bit to .364 for the rest of the season).  Mostly this is due to a .351 BABIP, which is <i>much</i> higher than his career value (which has mostly bumped around .300).  On top of that his fielding numbers, while still negative, are not quite as bad as the past couple of years, though we know any one year&#8217;s UZR does not a trend make.  But most of his improvement has been in his offensive numbers.</p>
<p>So what is going on at the plate? His swing rate has gone up somewhat and his contact rate has gone down the same amount, but he&#8217;s already at 31 BB in 319 PA, vs 47 in 517 last year, so even though he&#8217;s not showing more patience his improved offense seems to be causing pitchers to treat him more carefully (already 8 IBB vs 2 all of last year).  When he does get something to hit he&#8217;s punishing them (.245 ISO this year, a big jump over .199 last year, though there&#8217;s been a clear upward trend with that stat over his career).</p>
<p>As it stands in mid-late July, the Twins made a good deal here &#8212; they&#8217;re getting much better production than Hinske, and yet so far have paid Kubel less than he&#8217;s worth.  The question is whether this will continue going forward.  His HR/FB rate has jumped to a career high of 17.4% (though he reached almost 15% in 2006), so some of it is power.  But his infield hit percentage has also jumped from 4% last year to 6.5% this year, some of it is luck (because his speed score has actually dropped this year).  Batters do have some control over BABIP, so if Kubel has figured something out and is able to drive more balls into gaps (and the seats) consistently, then this might be a legit improvement.  He&#8217;s got the rest of the season to regress (he&#8217;s probably not going to keep beating out so many infield hits), and there&#8217;s still next year, but for now it looks like the Twins got a bargain after all.</p>
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		<title>By: glassSheets</title>
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		<dc:creator>glassSheets</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 14:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll agree &quot;worst&quot; is an overstatement.  But he is definately bottom half.  

Kubel is still a platoon DH, that is not doubling down on 11.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll agree &#8220;worst&#8221; is an overstatement.  But he is definately bottom half.  </p>
<p>Kubel is still a platoon DH, that is not doubling down on 11.</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jamie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 13:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>typical dave cameron article</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>typical dave cameron article</p>
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		<title>By: CA</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/twins-sign-kubel-why/#comment-86854</link>
		<dc:creator>CA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 02:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, how about the fact that a 26-year-old who had great numbers in the minors and put up wOBAs in the .340s while coming back from a major knee injury has probably not played up to his full potential?  And how about that potential being substantially larger that that of a guy who&#039;s five years older and on the downside of his career?  The Twins bought low on a guy who had a solid chance of being a major contributor over the next few seasons, with three Hinske-like seasons as his downside.  That&#039;s exactly how a smaller-market team should be using its resources.  It&#039;s more like doubling down on 11 than hitting on 20.

And really, &quot;worst manager in the league&quot;?  Come on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, how about the fact that a 26-year-old who had great numbers in the minors and put up wOBAs in the .340s while coming back from a major knee injury has probably not played up to his full potential?  And how about that potential being substantially larger that that of a guy who&#8217;s five years older and on the downside of his career?  The Twins bought low on a guy who had a solid chance of being a major contributor over the next few seasons, with three Hinske-like seasons as his downside.  That&#8217;s exactly how a smaller-market team should be using its resources.  It&#8217;s more like doubling down on 11 than hitting on 20.</p>
<p>And really, &#8220;worst manager in the league&#8221;?  Come on.</p>
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		<title>By: glassSheets</title>
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		<dc:creator>glassSheets</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 00:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why did you laugh when it was written?  What logic did you use to conclude Dave&#039;s was preposterous?  How were you so confident the ball with legs and arms was going to do better going forward than the normal player with similar stats?  

What is about Jason Kubel (other than that he plays for your favorite team and the worst manager in the league loves him) that made you say &quot;Kubel is going to have a good AVG and HR this year?&quot; If there is anything, please share with the Twins front office, or sell your services to any other MLB franchise.  Teams would love to be able to find guys who put up exactly the same stats as other players but who do better than expected the next year.  There&#039;s variability, and the Twins played their gut.  This year it has worked (so far) but it still doesn&#039;t make it a good deal.  Every now and then you would win in blackjack if you hit on 20 when the dealer is showing a 6, but that doesn&#039;t mean you should have hit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why did you laugh when it was written?  What logic did you use to conclude Dave&#8217;s was preposterous?  How were you so confident the ball with legs and arms was going to do better going forward than the normal player with similar stats?  </p>
<p>What is about Jason Kubel (other than that he plays for your favorite team and the worst manager in the league loves him) that made you say &#8220;Kubel is going to have a good AVG and HR this year?&#8221; If there is anything, please share with the Twins front office, or sell your services to any other MLB franchise.  Teams would love to be able to find guys who put up exactly the same stats as other players but who do better than expected the next year.  There&#8217;s variability, and the Twins played their gut.  This year it has worked (so far) but it still doesn&#8217;t make it a good deal.  Every now and then you would win in blackjack if you hit on 20 when the dealer is showing a 6, but that doesn&#8217;t mean you should have hit.</p>
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		<title>By: wobatus</title>
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		<dc:creator>wobatus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 23:51:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In reply to Kevin S., he is also structurally the same player as when he smoked the ball in the minors, other than a knee injury robbing some speed.  He had a not especially large major league sample as he healed and was slightly improving.  Sure, he may not be a plus .920 ops player every year, but this isn&#039;t completely unexpected, or any more &quot;luck&quot; than his prior seasons bad luck.  Average it out, and I assume he will be somewhat better than his first couple of seasons next year too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to Kevin S., he is also structurally the same player as when he smoked the ball in the minors, other than a knee injury robbing some speed.  He had a not especially large major league sample as he healed and was slightly improving.  Sure, he may not be a plus .920 ops player every year, but this isn&#8217;t completely unexpected, or any more &#8220;luck&#8221; than his prior seasons bad luck.  Average it out, and I assume he will be somewhat better than his first couple of seasons next year too.</p>
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		<title>By: wobatus</title>
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		<dc:creator>wobatus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 23:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Plenty of folks weren&#039;t assholes and posted about it before the season started.  This outcome was not completely unexpected given Kubels&#039; minor league numbers prior to a severe knee injury.  Sickels also thought Kubel might break out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Plenty of folks weren&#8217;t assholes and posted about it before the season started.  This outcome was not completely unexpected given Kubels&#8217; minor league numbers prior to a severe knee injury.  Sickels also thought Kubel might break out.</p>
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