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		<title>By: Rob in CT</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/up-comes-a-rod/#comment-65068</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob in CT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 21:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to think that the teams who have 3B options available are rubbing their hands together with glee.  I know I would be!  I&#039;d be looking to take advantage of the situation.  You want my mediocre veteran 3B with a meh contract?  Take the whole contract and gimme Phil Hughes.  Maybe more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to think that the teams who have 3B options available are rubbing their hands together with glee.  I know I would be!  I&#8217;d be looking to take advantage of the situation.  You want my mediocre veteran 3B with a meh contract?  Take the whole contract and gimme Phil Hughes.  Maybe more.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/up-comes-a-rod/#comment-65051</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 17:54:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obviously, the Yankees wouldn&#039;t trade him because they need his offense the next couple years, but just as a thought exercise, how much of his salary would the Yankees have to pay another team to get them to take him right now?  

He has $238 million left on his deal, plus potentially $30 million  in incentives for different milestone home runs  ($5 million for each milestone).  I think you&#039;d have to assume a team would rake in at least some marketing money for each home run, though probably not nearly as much as they would have before the steroid revelation or as much as they&#039;d by worth in NYC.  It&#039;s probably not a lock that he makes it to each milestone, though, either.  So say you value his contract at $250 million at the next 9 years.  How much would the Yankees have to pay just to get someone else to take him for bucket of baseballs?

First, you know one of his most productive remaining seasons this year.  Maybe, at best, he ends up being a +4 win guy this year?  If you are confident that he wouldn&#039;t have any long term effects, you might be able to project a bounce back next year and the year after, followed by declining value for the next 6 years.  Still, A-Rod is one of the most talented players in the game, a guy who definitely works hard, and who you wouldn&#039;t think would completely fall apart overnight.  You&#039;d have to think it&#039;s possible he could be worth 36 or so wins over next nine years.  It&#039;s probably impossible to estimate what a win will be worth over the next nine years; I mean, the government, financial markets, Warren Buffet - no one seems to know how and when the worm might turn for the economy.  It seems like the most we can estimate is that in next few years there will probably be some deflation in win values, followed by an increase in the early teens.  If you assume these two countervailing forces even out and for the life of the contract, maybe a win is worth about 5.3 million or so for the life of the contract.  That gives him about a $190 million of value over the next 9 years.  I know the general rule people apply around here for signing a player long-term is .9 to the total value to compensate for the risk of injury, etc. associated with a long-term contract.  However, given the length of A-Rod&#039;s contract and the fact that we know he has a somewhat serious injury problem right now, you&#039;d have to think a team would be even more risk averse than normal.  Maybe a .8 factor?  $190 million X .8 = 152 million, almost $100 million less than my estimate of the remaining value of A-Rod&#039;s contract.  Is that unreasonable, to think that to take him off his their hands, the Yankees would have to pay another team about $100 million?

I don&#039;t even know how one could go about including a &quot;A-Rod can be a distraction, do we really want that in our clubhouse/newspaper reports every day?&quot; factor or a &quot;there aren&#039;t very many teams that could afford even a reduced, $150 million, 9 year contract on their books right now&quot; factor in the calculus.  Some that might very well be mitigated by the &quot;A-Rod does put butts in the seats&quot; factor, though.  Figuring that out, though, is probably well beyond me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously, the Yankees wouldn&#8217;t trade him because they need his offense the next couple years, but just as a thought exercise, how much of his salary would the Yankees have to pay another team to get them to take him right now?  </p>
<p>He has $238 million left on his deal, plus potentially $30 million  in incentives for different milestone home runs  ($5 million for each milestone).  I think you&#8217;d have to assume a team would rake in at least some marketing money for each home run, though probably not nearly as much as they would have before the steroid revelation or as much as they&#8217;d by worth in NYC.  It&#8217;s probably not a lock that he makes it to each milestone, though, either.  So say you value his contract at $250 million at the next 9 years.  How much would the Yankees have to pay just to get someone else to take him for bucket of baseballs?</p>
<p>First, you know one of his most productive remaining seasons this year.  Maybe, at best, he ends up being a +4 win guy this year?  If you are confident that he wouldn&#8217;t have any long term effects, you might be able to project a bounce back next year and the year after, followed by declining value for the next 6 years.  Still, A-Rod is one of the most talented players in the game, a guy who definitely works hard, and who you wouldn&#8217;t think would completely fall apart overnight.  You&#8217;d have to think it&#8217;s possible he could be worth 36 or so wins over next nine years.  It&#8217;s probably impossible to estimate what a win will be worth over the next nine years; I mean, the government, financial markets, Warren Buffet &#8211; no one seems to know how and when the worm might turn for the economy.  It seems like the most we can estimate is that in next few years there will probably be some deflation in win values, followed by an increase in the early teens.  If you assume these two countervailing forces even out and for the life of the contract, maybe a win is worth about 5.3 million or so for the life of the contract.  That gives him about a $190 million of value over the next 9 years.  I know the general rule people apply around here for signing a player long-term is .9 to the total value to compensate for the risk of injury, etc. associated with a long-term contract.  However, given the length of A-Rod&#8217;s contract and the fact that we know he has a somewhat serious injury problem right now, you&#8217;d have to think a team would be even more risk averse than normal.  Maybe a .8 factor?  $190 million X .8 = 152 million, almost $100 million less than my estimate of the remaining value of A-Rod&#8217;s contract.  Is that unreasonable, to think that to take him off his their hands, the Yankees would have to pay another team about $100 million?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t even know how one could go about including a &#8220;A-Rod can be a distraction, do we really want that in our clubhouse/newspaper reports every day?&#8221; factor or a &#8220;there aren&#8217;t very many teams that could afford even a reduced, $150 million, 9 year contract on their books right now&#8221; factor in the calculus.  Some that might very well be mitigated by the &#8220;A-Rod does put butts in the seats&#8221; factor, though.  Figuring that out, though, is probably well beyond me.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/up-comes-a-rod/#comment-65046</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 16:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trade for Figgins? Do the yankees still have any good prospects that arent untouchable?</description>
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		<title>By: Matt B.</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/up-comes-a-rod/#comment-65034</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 14:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Must be all those site injections!</description>
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		<title>By: Bill B.</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/up-comes-a-rod/#comment-64982</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 02:58:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Larry, you only told me one lie. You said there will be another Larry Bird. Larry, there will never, ever be another Larry Bird.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Larry, you only told me one lie. You said there will be another Larry Bird. Larry, there will never, ever be another Larry Bird.</p>
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		<title>By: MPC</title>
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		<dc:creator>MPC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 00:26:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Affected*</description>
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		<title>By: CJ</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/up-comes-a-rod/#comment-64966</link>
		<dc:creator>CJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 00:16:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two points to make
Both Utley and Lowell had cysts on the hip they drive off of, A-Rods is on the opposite one. It might not hurt him as much as there two cases.
Also, this isn&#039;t a new thing, he played with for much of last year and played pretty well. There is no pain, only discomfort. He has even looked impressive in ST so far. While I do think this is an issue, its being blown out or proportion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two points to make<br />
Both Utley and Lowell had cysts on the hip they drive off of, A-Rods is on the opposite one. It might not hurt him as much as there two cases.<br />
Also, this isn&#8217;t a new thing, he played with for much of last year and played pretty well. There is no pain, only discomfort. He has even looked impressive in ST so far. While I do think this is an issue, its being blown out or proportion.</p>
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		<title>By: marcello</title>
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		<dc:creator>marcello</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 23:22:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The last I read, the surgery could knock him out for four months.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The last I read, the surgery could knock him out for four months.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Moore</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/up-comes-a-rod/#comment-64961</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 23:19:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This seems like a mistake to me.  You can&#039;t assume he&#039;ll be able to play more than 120 games (an optimistic assumption) and that&#039;s still 18 games less than he played last year, and 30 games less than he plays in a normal year.  If he misses the first month of the season, that means he misses about 20 games.  It seems like the move is at best a lateral move for the Yankees and at worst could cost them their season.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This seems like a mistake to me.  You can&#8217;t assume he&#8217;ll be able to play more than 120 games (an optimistic assumption) and that&#8217;s still 18 games less than he played last year, and 30 games less than he plays in a normal year.  If he misses the first month of the season, that means he misses about 20 games.  It seems like the move is at best a lateral move for the Yankees and at worst could cost them their season.</p>
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		<title>By: Sal Paradise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sal Paradise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 23:17:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At least they had the foresight to pick up Angel Berroa!</description>
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