Comments on: Valuing Beltran http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/valuing-beltran/ Daily baseball statistical analysis and commentary Mon, 22 Mar 2010 09:08:44 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: joe http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/valuing-beltran/#comment-76237 joe Mon, 18 May 2009 20:45:50 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=1448#comment-76237 Steve Phillips should read this Steve Phillips should read this

]]> By: Joey Brick http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/valuing-beltran/#comment-63036 Joey Brick Mon, 16 Feb 2009 04:39:02 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=1448#comment-63036 I agree, Victorino <i>is</i> scurrilous... I agree, Victorino is scurrilous…

]]> By: John Walsh http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/valuing-beltran/#comment-55013 John Walsh Tue, 02 Dec 2008 13:29:42 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=1448#comment-55013 nice piece. you didn't quantify Beltran's baserunning contribution, but BPro has the numbers: +5 and +6 runs in 2007 and 2008. If you want to go even further, you could consider his throwing ability with the plus/minus system doesn't include. I have him as a plus-arm in CF, probably worth about 3 runs (above average) per season or so. nice piece. you didn’t quantify Beltran’s baserunning contribution, but BPro has the numbers: +5 and +6 runs in 2007 and 2008.

If you want to go even further, you could consider his throwing ability with the plus/minus system doesn’t include. I have him as a plus-arm in CF, probably worth about 3 runs (above average) per season or so.

]]> By: Eric Seidman http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/valuing-beltran/#comment-54982 Eric Seidman Tue, 02 Dec 2008 01:55:10 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=1448#comment-54982 qqqqqq, That's the key point - he makes it look easy. I'm a Phillies fan, and it's funny how many people think Victorino is superior in the field to Beltran. Don't get me wrong, I love Shane, own his jersey, and feel he's a fantastic defender, but balls he scurries to, Beltran can glide to with ease and make look easy. People getting to watch him play CF are spoiled and therefore more likely to undervalue his defense. qqqqqq,

That’s the key point – he makes it look easy. I’m a Phillies fan, and it’s funny how many people think Victorino is superior in the field to Beltran. Don’t get me wrong, I love Shane, own his jersey, and feel he’s a fantastic defender, but balls he scurries to, Beltran can glide to with ease and make look easy. People getting to watch him play CF are spoiled and therefore more likely to undervalue his defense.

]]> By: qqqqqqqq http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/valuing-beltran/#comment-54981 qqqqqqqq Tue, 02 Dec 2008 01:51:57 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=1448#comment-54981 Too bad a lot of Mets fans think Beltran is overpaid. They probably have the image of Beltran striking out in the 2006 NLCS game engraved in their minds (I think he was the final out?). They also probably undervalue his amazing defense (he makes it look so easy and that anyone can do what he does). Too bad a lot of Mets fans think Beltran is overpaid. They probably have the image of Beltran striking out in the 2006 NLCS game engraved in their minds (I think he was the final out?). They also probably undervalue his amazing defense (he makes it look so easy and that anyone can do what he does).

]]> By: Eric Seidman http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/valuing-beltran/#comment-54979 Eric Seidman Tue, 02 Dec 2008 01:48:03 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=1448#comment-54979 Craig, yes, I apologize for that. I made the corrections and apparently forgot to save? It's all up there now. With PAs, not ABs, and the +2 wins to make him above replacement level, he's 6.5 wins, worth 1 yr-31 mil. Craig, yes, I apologize for that. I made the corrections and apparently forgot to save? It’s all up there now. With PAs, not ABs, and the +2 wins to make him above replacement level, he’s 6.5 wins, worth 1 yr-31 mil.

]]> By: Craig http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/valuing-beltran/#comment-54978 Craig Tue, 02 Dec 2008 01:31:34 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=1448#comment-54978 "Therefore, Beltran is worth +21.5 runs compared to a replacement player, or a little over two wins." Shouldn't it be +21.5 compared to an average player and +40-ish compared to replacement level, making Beltran a 6.5 win player? Also, you inadvertently used AB instead of PA. “Therefore, Beltran is worth +21.5 runs compared to a replacement player, or a little over two wins.”

Shouldn’t it be +21.5 compared to an average player and +40-ish compared to replacement level, making Beltran a 6.5 win player?

Also, you inadvertently used AB instead of PA.

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