Comments on: Walking Wounded Headed For Free Agency http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/walking-wounded-headed-for-free-agency/ Daily baseball statistical analysis and commentary Mon, 13 Feb 2012 01:07:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Tom B http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/walking-wounded-headed-for-free-agency/#comment-77820 Tom B Thu, 28 May 2009 16:47:21 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=5101#comment-77820 you're right... we never had 9 of the "best" pitchers in baseball fall apart at the same time you’re right… we never had 9 of the “best” pitchers in baseball fall apart at the same time

]]> By: philosofool http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/walking-wounded-headed-for-free-agency/#comment-77670 philosofool Wed, 27 May 2009 15:58:25 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=5101#comment-77670 Of course, there's a very serious ethical question about forbidding players to use PEDs for injury rehabilitation. Consider the following parralel: you have entered a special field of construction a serious risk to your health. Construction workers of your ilk are handsomely paid, but in choosing to enter the line of work in question, they forgo almost any other professional opportunity they might have. On the job, you suffer a back injury that will prevent you from working if you do not recover fully. You doctor tells you that steroids would greatly increase the chance of a rapid and full recovery. However, your boss forbids it. You ask for the good reason and the response involves some nebulous claim about the integrity of his business. You would be perfectly justified in responding "This is my fucking livelihood, and I don't even understand why the integrity of your business is threatened when you allow your hard working employees access to medical treatment. Etc." --I realize that isn't the whole story, but it is part of it, and it's a part that isn't being said nearly loudly enough. Of course, there’s a very serious ethical question about forbidding players to use PEDs for injury rehabilitation. Consider the following parralel: you have entered a special field of construction a serious risk to your health. Construction workers of your ilk are handsomely paid, but in choosing to enter the line of work in question, they forgo almost any other professional opportunity they might have. On the job, you suffer a back injury that will prevent you from working if you do not recover fully. You doctor tells you that steroids would greatly increase the chance of a rapid and full recovery. However, your boss forbids it. You ask for the good reason and the response involves some nebulous claim about the integrity of his business. You would be perfectly justified in responding “This is my fucking livelihood, and I don’t even understand why the integrity of your business is threatened when you allow your hard working employees access to medical treatment. Etc.” –I realize that isn’t the whole story, but it is part of it, and it’s a part that isn’t being said nearly loudly enough.

]]> By: joser http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/walking-wounded-headed-for-free-agency/#comment-77668 joser Wed, 27 May 2009 15:48:36 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=5101#comment-77668 Yes, because we never had pitchers fall apart before the PED era. Yes, because we never had pitchers fall apart before the PED era.

]]> By: joser http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/walking-wounded-headed-for-free-agency/#comment-77663 joser Wed, 27 May 2009 15:33:16 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=5101#comment-77663 I think the list was intended to be suggestive rather than exhaustive. <blockquote> It’s almost good to get injured your last or 2nd last year of free agency, that way you don’t have the Type A or B status holding back your value. </blockquote> Yes, so that you can have the "injury-prone" label holding back your value instead. Some teams don't value draft picks (though there seem to be fewer of those) and some teams pick up some many free agents the draft picks evaporate anyway. If I was an agent I'd be much more worried about my guy being hurt than about his stellar performance making him a Type A. I think the list was intended to be suggestive rather than exhaustive.

It’s almost good to get injured your last or 2nd last year of free agency, that way you don’t have the Type A or B status holding back your value.

Yes, so that you can have the “injury-prone” label holding back your value instead.

Some teams don’t value draft picks (though there seem to be fewer of those) and some teams pick up some many free agents the draft picks evaporate anyway. If I was an agent I’d be much more worried about my guy being hurt than about his stellar performance making him a Type A.

]]> By: Raf http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/walking-wounded-headed-for-free-agency/#comment-77648 Raf Wed, 27 May 2009 11:57:36 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=5101#comment-77648 I feel the same way about Pavano I feel the same way about Pavano

]]> By: AJM http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/walking-wounded-headed-for-free-agency/#comment-77630 AJM Wed, 27 May 2009 01:59:01 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=5101#comment-77630 I don't think Justin Duchscherer falls in the category of a big arm with top shelf stuff. I don’t think Justin Duchscherer falls in the category of a big arm with top shelf stuff.

]]> By: Raf http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/walking-wounded-headed-for-free-agency/#comment-77571 Raf Tue, 26 May 2009 22:05:41 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=5101#comment-77571 That certainly wasn't the case with Smoltz, Pavano & Sheets who are/were injury prone. That certainly wasn’t the case with Smoltz, Pavano & Sheets who are/were injury prone.

]]> By: Walter Jones http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/walking-wounded-headed-for-free-agency/#comment-77569 Walter Jones Tue, 26 May 2009 22:04:07 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=5101#comment-77569 Not to mention that he's, like, 64 years old. Not to mention that he’s, like, 64 years old.

]]> By: Garrett http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/walking-wounded-headed-for-free-agency/#comment-77567 Garrett Tue, 26 May 2009 21:57:26 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=5101#comment-77567 I really think baseball's dirty secret is (rich) players can certainly still use if they want to. The only ones stars getting paid big bucks who are still getting caught are the dumb ones. Steroid distribution is so far ahead of the testing curve in MLB, it isn't even funny. I really think baseball’s dirty secret is (rich) players can certainly still use if they want to. The only ones stars getting paid big bucks who are still getting caught are the dumb ones. Steroid distribution is so far ahead of the testing curve in MLB, it isn’t even funny.

]]> By: Teej http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/walking-wounded-headed-for-free-agency/#comment-77551 Teej Tue, 26 May 2009 21:43:43 +0000 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/?p=5101#comment-77551 Carpenter is signed through 2011. This post is about guys who will be free agents at the end of the season. Carpenter is signed through 2011. This post is about guys who will be free agents at the end of the season.

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