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	<title>Comments on: Welcome Back, Andruw</title>
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		<title>By: BobbyRoberto</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/welcome-back-andruw/#comment-92469</link>
		<dc:creator>BobbyRoberto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 01:32:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since this article was first posted, April 28, Andruw Jones batting line is:  .204/.307/.463.  That&#039;s better than 2007 and 2008, but nothing like the years before it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since this article was first posted, April 28, Andruw Jones batting line is:  .204/.307/.463.  That&#8217;s better than 2007 and 2008, but nothing like the years before it.</p>
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		<title>By: Taro</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/welcome-back-andruw/#comment-80733</link>
		<dc:creator>Taro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 10:16:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its funny how things work out sometimes. 3 days later and Jones has gone 3 for 8 with 2 HRs.

Jones&#039; overall line is now .257/.371/.532 and he just started against the righty Billingsley Sunday (and banged a HR off of him).

With Hamilton on the DL, Jones is a HUGE buy for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its funny how things work out sometimes. 3 days later and Jones has gone 3 for 8 with 2 HRs.</p>
<p>Jones&#8217; overall line is now .257/.371/.532 and he just started against the righty Billingsley Sunday (and banged a HR off of him).</p>
<p>With Hamilton on the DL, Jones is a HUGE buy for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Wally</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 23:35:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, I&#039;ll be that guy.  But I&#039;d like to point out that since Andruw was proclaimed to be back he&#039;s gone .208/.306/.389 in 85 PAs.  That April 28th game was pretty much exactly his high water mark.  Now he still might be better than he was last year (big stretch I know), but I&#039;m thinking the skills he had when he was 19 are still largely gone, and he&#039;s still no longer a player worth much of a crap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, I&#8217;ll be that guy.  But I&#8217;d like to point out that since Andruw was proclaimed to be back he&#8217;s gone .208/.306/.389 in 85 PAs.  That April 28th game was pretty much exactly his high water mark.  Now he still might be better than he was last year (big stretch I know), but I&#8217;m thinking the skills he had when he was 19 are still largely gone, and he&#8217;s still no longer a player worth much of a crap.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 19:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your use of shock quotes and straw men is getting bizarre. Seriously, why are there quotes around things like &quot;killing any chances of contending?&quot; I didn&#039;t say that. Nobody else in the comments here said that. So why is it in quotes? Since you refuse to engage with the actual things I say, I&#039;ll have to check out now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your use of shock quotes and straw men is getting bizarre. Seriously, why are there quotes around things like &#8220;killing any chances of contending?&#8221; I didn&#8217;t say that. Nobody else in the comments here said that. So why is it in quotes? Since you refuse to engage with the actual things I say, I&#8217;ll have to check out now.</p>
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		<title>By: KingKirkpatrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>KingKirkpatrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:22:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saying &quot;it was going to just get better anyways&quot; is an incredibly weak argument. Baird has plenty of time to get things turned around, but the entire organization got nothing but worse his entire time in KC. Then, the minute DM gets here, the MLB team gets better three years in a row (going on four) and the farm system improves every single year. Saying that would just have happened anyway is just awful logic. If it &quot;would&#039;ve happened anyway&quot; then why didn&#039;t it happen when Baird was here? He had plenty of time to make some improvements (not to contend, but to at least not be a complete joke), but he didn&#039;t do it. Simple as that.

How does DM not get credit for Callaspo, or Davies. or JOAKIM SORIA, or locking Greinke up when there were significant doubts that he would want to stay in KC?? You say he doesn&#039;t get credit, but you&#039;re pretty much already giving the Rangers credit for building a strong rotation with prospects who haven&#039;t even seen the major league yet and some who are struggling in the minors. Seems odd to me.

I&#039;m not using results to evaluate the trade. I&#039;m using the fact that the Rangers #1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 needs are all pitching, and they traded away a guy who could be a good pitcher for another hitter, when they already had a great offense. Simple as that. 

Yeah...trading away pitchers like Volquez and Danks has done nothing to affect their chances of contending the past couple years. I mean, two above average starting pitchers..yeah, that&#039;s nothing.

I don&#039;t know why you feel the need to say the Rangers farm system is better than anyone else&#039;s, I know this. I have said this. What I doubt is that they&#039;ll actually hold onto and turn enough of them into good enough SPs to contend. 

In what world do the Royals have a solid pitching staff? The one where Greinke had a 3.56 FIP last year and a sub 2 FIP so far this year. The one where Meche had a 3.62 FIP and a 2.32 FIP so far this year. The one where Davies had a 4.22 FIP last year and a 4.27 FIP so far this year. The one where Hochevar (who will be up soon enough) had a 4.43 FIP last year. Even Banny had a 5.03 FIP last year, which is above average for a #5 starter, easily. That&#039;s a solid rotation, which combined with an elite closer and Juan Cruz and other nice arms..that&#039;s a solid pitching staff and potentially the best in the AL Central. 

Nowhere did I say the Royals were going to be the next Rangers. I said we were stockpiling talent and our farm system has gotten better every year under DM&#039;s tenure, given that he&#039;s had what, 2 drafts (he was hired right around the 2006 draft and didn&#039;t not have control of the team at that point, if I recall correctly)...the farm system has gone from a wasteland with only two or three legit prospects to a top ten system. I&#039;d say he&#039;s done a pretty damn good job in two years. Next Rangers, I don&#039;t know, but clearly doing well. That&#039;s the point. I don&#039;t get why you constantly need to compare the Rangers and Royals. The Rangers are clearly ahead of the Royals right now, duh..but that doesn&#039;t make them a lock for the next few years.

I don&#039;t think I said &quot;loaded with impact talent.&quot; I think I said we&#039;re stockpiling talent...and him not mentioning Mike Moustakas as a legit impact prospect is ridiculous. Led the Midwest league in HRs as a teenager, a rare feat, dominated the 2nd half and is already crushing in Wilmington. Defense may be a concern, but he&#039;s still a good prospect..and Gordon and Butler, while disappointing so far, have plenty of time to turn it around..and Gordon was fine last year. There&#039;s plenty of potential everywhere.

No, they can&#039;t afford to waste a bunch of money on aging veterans. Guillen is a mistake in that regard..but of all the &quot;mistakes,&quot; none of them are past 2010..which is right when our chances of contending are best. They are mistakes, but trying to portray them as mistakes that show that DM &quot;can&#039;t evaluate talent&quot; and that are &quot;killing any chances of contending&quot; are going too far. Also, we were significant players in trying to acquire Rafael Furcal, Orlando Hudson, Hiroki Kuroda, and Torii Hunter, among others....if we had signed those guys, would DM still not be able to evaluate talent?? It&#039;s not like some of the guys he has signed were DM&#039;s top choices....he has been financially inefficeient sometimes, but saying he can&#039;t evaluate talent is clearly ridiculous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saying &#8220;it was going to just get better anyways&#8221; is an incredibly weak argument. Baird has plenty of time to get things turned around, but the entire organization got nothing but worse his entire time in KC. Then, the minute DM gets here, the MLB team gets better three years in a row (going on four) and the farm system improves every single year. Saying that would just have happened anyway is just awful logic. If it &#8220;would&#8217;ve happened anyway&#8221; then why didn&#8217;t it happen when Baird was here? He had plenty of time to make some improvements (not to contend, but to at least not be a complete joke), but he didn&#8217;t do it. Simple as that.</p>
<p>How does DM not get credit for Callaspo, or Davies. or JOAKIM SORIA, or locking Greinke up when there were significant doubts that he would want to stay in KC?? You say he doesn&#8217;t get credit, but you&#8217;re pretty much already giving the Rangers credit for building a strong rotation with prospects who haven&#8217;t even seen the major league yet and some who are struggling in the minors. Seems odd to me.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not using results to evaluate the trade. I&#8217;m using the fact that the Rangers #1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 needs are all pitching, and they traded away a guy who could be a good pitcher for another hitter, when they already had a great offense. Simple as that. </p>
<p>Yeah&#8230;trading away pitchers like Volquez and Danks has done nothing to affect their chances of contending the past couple years. I mean, two above average starting pitchers..yeah, that&#8217;s nothing.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know why you feel the need to say the Rangers farm system is better than anyone else&#8217;s, I know this. I have said this. What I doubt is that they&#8217;ll actually hold onto and turn enough of them into good enough SPs to contend. </p>
<p>In what world do the Royals have a solid pitching staff? The one where Greinke had a 3.56 FIP last year and a sub 2 FIP so far this year. The one where Meche had a 3.62 FIP and a 2.32 FIP so far this year. The one where Davies had a 4.22 FIP last year and a 4.27 FIP so far this year. The one where Hochevar (who will be up soon enough) had a 4.43 FIP last year. Even Banny had a 5.03 FIP last year, which is above average for a #5 starter, easily. That&#8217;s a solid rotation, which combined with an elite closer and Juan Cruz and other nice arms..that&#8217;s a solid pitching staff and potentially the best in the AL Central. </p>
<p>Nowhere did I say the Royals were going to be the next Rangers. I said we were stockpiling talent and our farm system has gotten better every year under DM&#8217;s tenure, given that he&#8217;s had what, 2 drafts (he was hired right around the 2006 draft and didn&#8217;t not have control of the team at that point, if I recall correctly)&#8230;the farm system has gone from a wasteland with only two or three legit prospects to a top ten system. I&#8217;d say he&#8217;s done a pretty damn good job in two years. Next Rangers, I don&#8217;t know, but clearly doing well. That&#8217;s the point. I don&#8217;t get why you constantly need to compare the Rangers and Royals. The Rangers are clearly ahead of the Royals right now, duh..but that doesn&#8217;t make them a lock for the next few years.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think I said &#8220;loaded with impact talent.&#8221; I think I said we&#8217;re stockpiling talent&#8230;and him not mentioning Mike Moustakas as a legit impact prospect is ridiculous. Led the Midwest league in HRs as a teenager, a rare feat, dominated the 2nd half and is already crushing in Wilmington. Defense may be a concern, but he&#8217;s still a good prospect..and Gordon and Butler, while disappointing so far, have plenty of time to turn it around..and Gordon was fine last year. There&#8217;s plenty of potential everywhere.</p>
<p>No, they can&#8217;t afford to waste a bunch of money on aging veterans. Guillen is a mistake in that regard..but of all the &#8220;mistakes,&#8221; none of them are past 2010..which is right when our chances of contending are best. They are mistakes, but trying to portray them as mistakes that show that DM &#8220;can&#8217;t evaluate talent&#8221; and that are &#8220;killing any chances of contending&#8221; are going too far. Also, we were significant players in trying to acquire Rafael Furcal, Orlando Hudson, Hiroki Kuroda, and Torii Hunter, among others&#8230;.if we had signed those guys, would DM still not be able to evaluate talent?? It&#8217;s not like some of the guys he has signed were DM&#8217;s top choices&#8230;.he has been financially inefficeient sometimes, but saying he can&#8217;t evaluate talent is clearly ridiculous.</p>
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		<title>By: twinsfan</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/welcome-back-andruw/#comment-73826</link>
		<dc:creator>twinsfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 07:17:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The same reason as all the other hijackings, a Royals troll with an inferiority complex.</description>
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		<title>By: Kevin S.</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/welcome-back-andruw/#comment-73816</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 05:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>aware, not away</description>
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		<title>By: Kevin S.</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/welcome-back-andruw/#comment-73815</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 05:28:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How the hell did we wind up with eighteen bajillion comments about the fucking Royals in an Andruw Jones thread?</description>
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		<title>By: Kevin S.</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/welcome-back-andruw/#comment-73814</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 05:24:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, they were away of the &quot;numerous ways to get him out&quot; - he&#039;s just under his park-adjusted league-average OBP (according to B-R) for the course of his career.  Obviously, he did a lot of damage when they didn&#039;t get him out, but he wasn&#039;t particularly good at not making outs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, they were away of the &#8220;numerous ways to get him out&#8221; &#8211; he&#8217;s just under his park-adjusted league-average OBP (according to B-R) for the course of his career.  Obviously, he did a lot of damage when they didn&#8217;t get him out, but he wasn&#8217;t particularly good at not making outs.</p>
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		<title>By: vivaelpujols</title>
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		<dc:creator>vivaelpujols</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 05:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave&#039;s point was that Jones is actually getting around on pitches, has shown power and plate discipline.   Three things that he wasn&#039;t able to do last year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave&#8217;s point was that Jones is actually getting around on pitches, has shown power and plate discipline.   Three things that he wasn&#8217;t able to do last year.</p>
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