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		<title>By: flatjacket1</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/win-values-explained-part-six/#comment-1882694</link>
		<dc:creator>flatjacket1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2012 19:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anybody know exactly how to calculate previous years WAR? Like between 1990-2010? That would really cool to know</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anybody know exactly how to calculate previous years WAR? Like between 1990-2010? That would really cool to know</p>
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		<title>By: Interested Observer</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/win-values-explained-part-six/#comment-690865</link>
		<dc:creator>Interested Observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Apr 2011 12:23:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m new at this but is the cost of a win a linear function?  Seems to me additional wins at the high end might be harder to get than the ones at the bottom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m new at this but is the cost of a win a linear function?  Seems to me additional wins at the high end might be harder to get than the ones at the bottom.</p>
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		<title>By: Audra McDonald</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/win-values-explained-part-six/#comment-129906</link>
		<dc:creator>Audra McDonald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 01:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting article. Were did you got all the information from...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting article. Were did you got all the information from&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Howerter</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/win-values-explained-part-six/#comment-121795</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad Howerter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 01:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That makes sense to me, Duffy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That makes sense to me, Duffy</p>
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		<title>By: McCoy</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/win-values-explained-part-six/#comment-116195</link>
		<dc:creator>McCoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 03:19:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not saying the non-FA salary is set under auction conditions.  I&#039;m saying because non-FA have their salaries set under different conditions using FA dollar values for them is wrong.

Some 4 year guy isn&#039;t worth 15 million dollars because no 4 year man is ever going to hit the FA market.  His dollar value should be tied to what 4 year arb eligible guys are currently getting not what some 8 year veteran is getting when he shops his services around to 20 different teams.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not saying the non-FA salary is set under auction conditions.  I&#8217;m saying because non-FA have their salaries set under different conditions using FA dollar values for them is wrong.</p>
<p>Some 4 year guy isn&#8217;t worth 15 million dollars because no 4 year man is ever going to hit the FA market.  His dollar value should be tied to what 4 year arb eligible guys are currently getting not what some 8 year veteran is getting when he shops his services around to 20 different teams.</p>
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		<title>By: toad</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/win-values-explained-part-six/#comment-93354</link>
		<dc:creator>toad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 21:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But the comparison is inaccurate. The non-FA&#039;s salary is not set under auction conditions, at least not this year&#039;s auction. It&#039;s either capped artificially, or based on a contract negotiated earlier. It does not reflect current values te way a FA contract does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But the comparison is inaccurate. The non-FA&#8217;s salary is not set under auction conditions, at least not this year&#8217;s auction. It&#8217;s either capped artificially, or based on a contract negotiated earlier. It does not reflect current values te way a FA contract does.</p>
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		<title>By: toad</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/win-values-explained-part-six/#comment-93325</link>
		<dc:creator>toad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 19:39:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But this suggests that the annual salary does not reflect win value for premier FA&#039;s. When you give someone a long-term contract you are not necessarily assuming he will maintain current performance levels for the length of the contract. How do you think A-Rod&#039;s win values will compare with his salary five or six years from now? 

Much more of the money is being paid for near-term performance than longer-term, even though the annual breakdown of salary doesn&#039;t look that way. Long-term contracts, eveluated over their life, would, I suspect, show a much higher price per win than the apparent value.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But this suggests that the annual salary does not reflect win value for premier FA&#8217;s. When you give someone a long-term contract you are not necessarily assuming he will maintain current performance levels for the length of the contract. How do you think A-Rod&#8217;s win values will compare with his salary five or six years from now? </p>
<p>Much more of the money is being paid for near-term performance than longer-term, even though the annual breakdown of salary doesn&#8217;t look that way. Long-term contracts, eveluated over their life, would, I suspect, show a much higher price per win than the apparent value.</p>
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		<title>By: McCoy</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/win-values-explained-part-six/#comment-62315</link>
		<dc:creator>McCoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 02:33:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry meant to add this

Think about this in terms of roto-ball.  In the initial bidding process when all fantasy players are bidding on baseball players for the most part the bids are restrained and conservative because people have to fill the roster with many players.  But then after the season starts everybody is allocated a free agent payroll and when the bidding commences on free agents you get really whacky numbers when compared to the initial draft.  You suddenly get a small handful of guys who might contribute a little to your team getting paid huge % of your free agent payroll.  This happens because there is a small supply of these free agent players and an even smaller supply of them are of any value to a team and the bidders no longer need to fill the roster with 20 or 30 players.  They are only on the lookout for one or two players and have a large budget to use to get them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry meant to add this</p>
<p>Think about this in terms of roto-ball.  In the initial bidding process when all fantasy players are bidding on baseball players for the most part the bids are restrained and conservative because people have to fill the roster with many players.  But then after the season starts everybody is allocated a free agent payroll and when the bidding commences on free agents you get really whacky numbers when compared to the initial draft.  You suddenly get a small handful of guys who might contribute a little to your team getting paid huge % of your free agent payroll.  This happens because there is a small supply of these free agent players and an even smaller supply of them are of any value to a team and the bidders no longer need to fill the roster with 20 or 30 players.  They are only on the lookout for one or two players and have a large budget to use to get them.</p>
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		<title>By: McCoy</title>
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		<dc:creator>McCoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 02:25:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Say you got 30 teams and every year 3 of their players become free agents.  Then let us also say that 10 teams have 30 million dollars in extra payroll to sign 3 players, 10 teams have 20 million dollars, and 10 teams have 10 million dollars.  That is 600 million dollars for 90 roster spots at an average value of 6.67 million per roster spot and if we use the 2.67 billion dollar payroll number the other 660 roster spots have an average cost of a little over 4 million dollars.  

In otherwords by using free agents dollars for all players you are using a relatively closed off supply of players to set the price for all players.  Mark Texiera doesn&#039;t set the price for all players because Mark isn&#039;t competing against all those other players for free agent dollars.  He is competing against other free agents.  In the past we have seen weak free agent crops still get top dollar simply because they were all that was available and the teams had the money.  If all the players were available or a greater supply then those players would not have signed for so much.

I would think a better option would be to compare 0-3 year service time players salaries to one another, look into the arb year players to see how they should be broken down, do free agent dollars, and then use those numbers for players based on where they are at in terms of service time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Say you got 30 teams and every year 3 of their players become free agents.  Then let us also say that 10 teams have 30 million dollars in extra payroll to sign 3 players, 10 teams have 20 million dollars, and 10 teams have 10 million dollars.  That is 600 million dollars for 90 roster spots at an average value of 6.67 million per roster spot and if we use the 2.67 billion dollar payroll number the other 660 roster spots have an average cost of a little over 4 million dollars.  </p>
<p>In otherwords by using free agents dollars for all players you are using a relatively closed off supply of players to set the price for all players.  Mark Texiera doesn&#8217;t set the price for all players because Mark isn&#8217;t competing against all those other players for free agent dollars.  He is competing against other free agents.  In the past we have seen weak free agent crops still get top dollar simply because they were all that was available and the teams had the money.  If all the players were available or a greater supply then those players would not have signed for so much.</p>
<p>I would think a better option would be to compare 0-3 year service time players salaries to one another, look into the arb year players to see how they should be broken down, do free agent dollars, and then use those numbers for players based on where they are at in terms of service time.</p>
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		<title>By: studes</title>
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		<dc:creator>studes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 15:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One month later...

I was just looking back at this post and comparing it to work I have done.  FWIW, I came up with a figure of $5.1 million paid per free agent WSAB in 2007, a full million higher than you did.  It could be that your lower replacement level accounts for some of the difference, but I think the margin for error here is huge and I just want to say again that the potential for misinterpretation of this sensitive material is huge.

It&#039;s the only thing Fangraphs has done that I would disagree with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One month later&#8230;</p>
<p>I was just looking back at this post and comparing it to work I have done.  FWIW, I came up with a figure of $5.1 million paid per free agent WSAB in 2007, a full million higher than you did.  It could be that your lower replacement level accounts for some of the difference, but I think the margin for error here is huge and I just want to say again that the potential for misinterpretation of this sensitive material is huge.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the only thing Fangraphs has done that I would disagree with.</p>
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