Mark Teixeira the Latest Damaged Yankee

The Yankees already had a damaged Alex Rodriguez. They already had a damaged Curtis Granderson. They already had a damaged Michael Pineda, and a damaged Phil Hughes, and a damaged general freaking manager. Now they get to deal with a damaged Mark Teixeira on top of everything else. The word:

The Yankees’ injury-riddled spring took another serious hit on Wednesday, as the team announced Gold Glove first baseman Mark Teixeira will miss eight to 10 weeks with a strained tendon in his right wrist.

Teixeira’s going to do nothing for four weeks, then he’ll begin rehabbing, provided everything has healed up. According to the timetable, Teixeira should return to the Yankees around the middle of May. In theory, he’ll be 100%, but this is a wrist injury, so it’s possible Teixeira could play with diminished power. No hitter ever wants a wrist injury. Actually no hitter ever wants an injury at all. Who would?

Teixeira felt a pop in his wrist during batting practice with the WBC’s Team USA. On paper, then, this is a WBC-related injury, but let’s not go that far. Further tests revealed the nature of Teixeira’s sprain, and this is supposedly similar to Jose Bautista‘s injury from a year ago, for the sake of reference.

We’ll go into greater depth later on, but, obviously, this is a blow. On its own, it isn’t devastating — Teixeira’s something like a 3-WAR player, and he’ll be out just a fraction of the season. But being without both him and Granderson adds up, and then there are the concerns regarding what Teixeira might be when he’s back. At present, the Yankees have some flexibility in their options since Kevin Youkilis can play both corners, but the Yankees aren’t overflowing with desirable stopgaps. We’re talking about Dan Johnson, Eduardo Nunez, and Jayson Nix, conceivably for a number of weeks in the regular season. The Yankees, as one might imagine, will get on the phone and they’ll monitor the waiver wire. Mounting injuries can change one’s willingness to swing a shorter-term trade.

Despite all the injuries, the Yankees ought to still be good. This doesn’t change that. But given where the Yankees project to be on the win curve, every problem is magnified, and everyone else’s odds in the AL East just got a little bit better.



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Ruki Motomiya
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Ruki Motomiya
3 years 4 months ago

Really hurts the Yankees. They were in a position where they needed a minimal amount of things to go wrong and a lot of things are going wrong.

Eric
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Eric
3 years 4 months ago

Yankees look a lot like the last place team this year

YanksFanInBeantown
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YanksFanInBeantown
3 years 4 months ago

They look a lot like the Red Sox?

Freakshow
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Freakshow
3 years 4 months ago

No, they look worse than the Red Sox.

YanksFanInBeantown
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YanksFanInBeantown
3 years 4 months ago

Is it the worse offense that the Red Sox have going for them? Or do you prefer the rotation with only one pitcher better than the Yankees No. 3 starter?

Jonathan
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Jonathan
3 years 4 months ago

Kind of hard to argue that the Yankees will have a better opening day offense than the Red Sox right now. Cano is really the only threatening guy they’ve got who should be ready opening day.

YanksFanInBeantown
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YanksFanInBeantown
3 years 4 months ago

I’ll still take Jeter over anyone in the Sox lineup other than Papi or maybe Napoli. Pronk and Youk should be able to stay healthy until Grandy and Tex come back, and I think Pronk especially will make YSIII his bitch until they get healthy.

CC
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CC
3 years 4 months ago

>Pronk
>Healthy

Pick one.

Take off the bias glasses for once, will you? The Red Sox will sport Dustin Pedroia as well. While he’s not Cano-nobody is-he’s still arguably the second best 2B in the game. You’re also conveniently ignoring Shane Victornio, who is objectively better offensively than both Gardner and Ichiro. They’ll also have a platoon in left, and while Nava/Gomes doesn’t sound threatening, one murders lefties while the other has done fairly well against righties in the past. Will Nava’s success continue? We can’t know for sure. Gomes will surely still make lefties fear him though. Expecting Jeter to be better than Ellsbury is also quite foolish. Jeter’s the aging, declining SS here while Ellsbury is looking to come back after a freak injury and disappointing season. Ellsbury is anything but a question mark, but expecting him to be worse than Jeter is foolish.

I mean, you’re in Beantown. You should have heard about most of this stuff if you’re a baseball fan.

tommy
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tommy
3 years 4 months ago

CC, you forgot Middlebrooks, the guy they went with over Youk, who now dons a Yankee jersey, and will be in that lineup as well.

Misfit
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Misfit
3 years 4 months ago

Has Pedroia really fallen this far out of favor? Going into 2012, he wasn’t arguably the second best 2B in the league, he was arguably the best. He dealt with some injuries last year, but if he gets his walk-rate to rebound to his career norms he should be good for another 5 win season or so.

YanksFanInBeantown
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YanksFanInBeantown
3 years 4 months ago

Pedroia is a pull hitter with warning track power, pretty much the textbook Green Monster hitter. That’s why no one thinks he’s better than Cano. The only reason people ever did was because of inflated UZR numbers on his part and incongruous UZR numbers on Cano’s.

Victorino is not objectively better offensively than Gardner. He was not good at all offensively last year, and he’s worse on the basepaths than Gardner. Not to mention that his lack of on-base ability limits how many runs he can rack up with his baserunning.

And Jacoby Ellsbury is not a sure bet at all. He has exactly one above average offensive season in his career and I really wouldn’t any more surprised by his having another “freak injury” next year than when Jed Lowrie has his yearly freak injury.

And I don’t expect Middlebrooks to keep his .335 BABIP any more than I expect Youk to keep hitting .268 on balls in play.

That 4.5 BB% is going to be a lot less tolerable when he’s hitting .270 instead of .290, and Youk is going to look much better hitting .250 instead of .230,

Brian Mc
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Brian Mc
3 years 4 months ago

Everyone here in the tri-state area is freaking out, but then again, they’re always freaking out. The Yankees lose a 3 win player for about 40 games. It’s not good, but it’s not like this is something that doesn’t happen to every team over the course of the season.

I would still pick them to win the AL East, and maybe knock a win off their total at the end of the year.

epiekara
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epiekara
3 years 4 months ago

I would knock more than a win off. You’re now looking at an 86 win team. That may not be good enough for a playoff spot on tge AL.

Nelson S.
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Nelson S.
3 years 4 months ago

Yeah, Im not sure why the author says that the Yankees will still be good. Maybe if they go nuts and trade the farm, but the team as is stands is not very good

YanksFanInBeantown
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YanksFanInBeantown
3 years 4 months ago

Probably has something to do with having the best pitching in the division, after the Shields trade, and the best offensive middle infield in baseball by far.

the humber games
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the humber games
3 years 4 months ago

Try third best pitching in their division

YanksFanInBeantown
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YanksFanInBeantown
3 years 4 months ago

You do realize that Pettitte, Sabathia and Kuroda were each better in the AL East than Josh Johnson was in the NL East last year, right? Same goes for Mark Buerhle, while Brandon Morrow has been something other than the AL’s Ricky Nolasco for exactly 125 innings.
And that, while Matt Moore could certainly make the leap next year, Jeremy “No Regression Yet!” Hellickson is the Rays second best starter?

Until Matt Moore breaks out, I’m not going to say he’s better than Pettitte or Kuroda, and Hellickson is much worse.

As it is, Price is the only pitcher in the AL East who I would take over Sabathia, while Pettitte and Kuroda are each better than any of their counterparts.

I think the Jays and Rays are better teams right now, but the Yankees should be able to hold on until they get the second best CF and second best 1B, in the division back.

SDM
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SDM
3 years 4 months ago

That division is essentially the Rays and everyone else when it comes to rotation. Redsox don’t have a better rotation and its certainly and not the Jays either, even with the trade, Josh Johnson can’t stay healthy and every other pitcher save for Dickey was terrible and /or injured for most if not all of last year.

MakeitRayn
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MakeitRayn
3 years 4 months ago

Ha, Moore had a 3.93 FIP as a rookie. Kuroda had a 3.86.

I’d take the younger player on the way up over the Vet on the way down.

YanksFanInBeantown
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YanksFanInBeantown
3 years 4 months ago

First off, using the raw FIP is stupid, Kuroda had a 91 FIP- while Moore was exactly league average with a 100 FIP-

Secondly, you’ll take the 22 year old who had a higher ERA in a much, much more pitcher friendly park over the 38 year old who has done the exact same thing for each of the last 5 years, while moving from the NL West to the AL East?

Kuroda had 1.5 more fWAR and 4.5 more bWAR than Moore last year and he’s a known commodity.

the humber games
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the humber games
3 years 4 months ago

It seems like most peoples’ argument for the yankees’ being fine is “well…they’re the yankees!”

Needless to say (but I’m saying it anyway) that argument is kind of stupid

Jonathan
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Jonathan
3 years 4 months ago

Dude, I’ve fallen into the “they’ll make the playoffs because it’s the Yankees and that’s just how life works,” but saying they’ve got the best rotation in the division is outright laughable.

Even post-tread, the Rays have a better rotation and the Jays probably do. They have a good to great 1-2 punch, but a strong wind could render them completely boned. They have absolutely no rotational depth and are relying on a pair of guys closing in on forty for their 2 and 3 spot and are a Sabathia injury away from complete bedlam.

Jonathan
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Jonathan
3 years 4 months ago

*post trade

Nelson S.
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Nelson S.
3 years 4 months ago

Don’t forget the hall of fame closer!

YanksFanInBeantown
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YanksFanInBeantown
3 years 4 months ago

I was more thinking about their elite bullpen in general.

snack man
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snack man
3 years 4 months ago

Good call focusing on Jeter’s offense.

YanksFanInBeantown
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YanksFanInBeantown
3 years 4 months ago

“Best SS in the division” didn’t quite have the same ring to it.

Radivel
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Radivel
3 years 4 months ago

Derek Jeter is no longer a SS, he’s a baseball player who happens to be in the SS position.

Jonathan
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Jonathan
3 years 4 months ago

” “Best SS in the division” didn’t quite have the same ring to it.”

Or remote accuracy. Jose Reyes says hi.

YanksFanInBeantown
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YanksFanInBeantown
3 years 4 months ago

I keep forgetting Jose Reyes is on the Blue Jays now.

Jonathan
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Jonathan
3 years 4 months ago

Because it’s the Yankees. Yankee Stadium could burn down and their entire roster could get in a horrifying lawnmower accident and the Yankees would still have a 78% of better shot at the playoffs.

That’s just how baseball works.

Greg
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Greg
3 years 4 months ago

Think about what the Yankees’ roster is insured for. Plus, A-Rod’s contract would be off the books.

I don’t want to suggest anything, but I’m pretty sure the Yankees are worth more dead than alive.

Ben
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Ben
3 years 4 months ago

A question for those smarter than I–it seems intuitive that the marginal value of a run decreases as you score more runs. The value of the 4th run is greater than the 8th run. It’s easy to say, it’s not a great loss because he’s a three-win player, but I’m wondering if there’s some sort of cascade effect from the loss of multiple three win players? If the Yankees are struggling to score that 4th run because they’re running out multiple replacement players is it possible there’s some leverage that isn’t being factored into WAR?

Ruki Motomiya
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Ruki Motomiya
3 years 4 months ago

This seems logical.

Tim
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Tim
3 years 4 months ago

Even really good teams don’t score eight runs often enough for this to be particularly meaningful.

Oliver
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Oliver
3 years 4 months ago

That’s not the point. The point is, in an extreme situation like this, does losing players have a larger impact than we would anticipate, given a straight WAR interpretation of the situation?

Tim
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Tim
3 years 4 months ago

No, or at least not for this reason. The differences between teams just aren’t large enough. Run differential in any particular game is very strongly driven by randomness. Teams like the ’31/’36/’98 Yankees might have been dominant enough to have this problem, but we don’t see 2/game run differentials very often, and this year’s Yankees certainly won’t have one.

Hardwood
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Hardwood
3 years 4 months ago

Well, considering the yankees pitching, the amount of runs at which the difference would become marginal would be lower. I’m very much not stats-savvy, but this sounds like it’d make a good community research article.

jdugood
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jdugood
3 years 4 months ago

I applaud your argument. Texeira’s injury would not be a big deal but for all of the other injuries the Yankees are currently dealing with. At this point they are a second baseman and a starting pitcher away from being pretty horrible.

Jason
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Jason
3 years 4 months ago

I think your right, though I don’t have the statistical chops to prove it. I think there is a “whole is greater than the sum of its parts” aspect to WAR. When you lost two three win players I think the impact is greater than -6 wins.

alex
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alex
3 years 4 months ago

win curve. google it with fan graph or tango or something.

ps.not trying to be an @@@ or anything, just tired and sleepy

Eric R
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Eric R
3 years 4 months ago

Wouldn’t then signing 2 3-win players be more valuable than signing 1 6-win player?

YanksFanInBeantown
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YanksFanInBeantown
3 years 4 months ago

No, because you can usually get more than 1 WAR out of the other spot. Especially if you’re the Yankees.

Zeke
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Zeke
3 years 4 months ago

I think there is a cascade effect, but less because of runs per game and more because for the most part each of those multiple replacement players is going to be worse than the last one. If you have two injured corner infielders or outfielders or whatever at different times, your best sub can fill in for both…if the injuries overlap, you have to start giving playing time to your 2nd or 3rd best subs.

Robert
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Robert
3 years 4 months ago

No team has an infinite supply of replacement-level players.

As a team gets more and more injured, it’s forced to dig deeper into their farm system, and start trotting out below and far below replacement level players. Obviously this primarily applies to pitchers, but it also applies to hitters to a lesser extent.

Thus, when injuries are all stacked up, it’s worse, because you’re not replacing them with replacement-level anymore.

Blue
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Blue
3 years 4 months ago

Yeah, that’s my basic problem with the whole “replacement level” analysis. Teams regularly have to dip below it.

Train
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Train
3 years 4 months ago

They ought to still be good? I mean, I know Cano is a stud and all, and CC is pretty darn good as well, cut come on…

Max
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Max
3 years 4 months ago

Gardner and Cano are 6 win players (hopefully) they should still expect at least around 2-3 war each from 3b, ss, 1b, and the other 2 outfield spots. CC is still an ace (who’s getting old) between kuroda, pettitte and hughes, they have at least 2 very good middle of the rotation guys, and phelps and nova could be good on the back end, along with a great bullpen.

this should still be a contending team, without considering deadline help, which will definitely be coming if they’re struggling

CampBrice
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CampBrice
3 years 4 months ago

They are relying heavily on two 40+ pitchers (Pettite and Rivera) and another 38 year old in Kuroda……They could be good, but they could also just as easily have a noticeable drop-off.

YanksFanInBeantown
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YanksFanInBeantown
3 years 4 months ago

Luckily, if Mariano drops off they have Robertson and Chamberlain in the “would be closing on half the teams in baseball” wings, with Aardsma and Mark Montgomery as backup.

BJsWorld
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BJsWorld
3 years 4 months ago

Half the teams in baseball don’t have better options than a guy coming off a 20 IP season with a FIP above 4?

You have to go back to 2010 to find the last time Chamberlain was relevant. Robertson is solid but there are easily 15 relievers that I would take over him.

Really?
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Really?
3 years 4 months ago

@BJsWorld

There are 15 Relievers you would take over Robertson? Please, name them. Then check the reliever stats on this very site for 2012. Or 2011. Or 2010.

Don’t be daft.

snipes
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snipes
3 years 4 months ago

I think asking Gardner to be a 6 win player again is a bit of a stretch. Going on 30, his only 6 win season had a BABIP that was significantly higher than his previous/career norms

Max
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Max
3 years 4 months ago

the idea behind that comment was cano and gardner would average out to 6 wins per player. either way, I think gardners improved with the bat and will have a great year, albeit with the common asterisk “if healthy”

PF
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PF
3 years 4 months ago

It’s great that you think Gardner’s improved with the bat, but there’s actually no real evidence for this. In fact, he’s coming off a missed year and he had an unsustainable BABIP in the one year he was really good. We shall see …

YanksFanInBeantown
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YanksFanInBeantown
3 years 4 months ago

Does 5 WAR not count as “really good” any more?

tfenske
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tfenske
3 years 4 months ago

It’s amazing how quickly this year’s Yankee’s team is starting to look like the Blue Jays from 2011. Jason Nix? Jaun Rivera starting in LF? Feel like I’m in bazzaro world.

snipes
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snipes
3 years 4 months ago

The only place I can see Dan Johnson being a viable option is in Game 162 and your team needs a home run

YanksFanInBeantown
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YanksFanInBeantown
3 years 4 months ago

It’s the Great Pumpkin, Yankees fans!

ttnorm
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ttnorm
3 years 4 months ago

Unfortunately, he would need to face a Yankee’s pitcher.

bkgeneral
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bkgeneral
3 years 4 months ago

Not to go all Doomsday, but I find it interesting that the one area I thought Yankees would face injuries they haven’t yet. Kuroda, Pettite, Rivera are all old. The odds of them all 3 holding up all season seems low. Sabathia has pitched a lot of innings, he seems a good bet to get hurt as well. Perhaps part of Cashman’s expert plan is to get Yankees 1st round pick protected next year!

PF
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PF
3 years 4 months ago

I mean, I’m very hopeful and optimistic about Kuroda, but Pettitte is not going the year without getting injured. It’s just not possible. He hasn’t pitched 200 innings since 2008. He pitched 75 innings last year and, of course, none the year before. He will not make it through the year.

Matt Bertelli
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Matt Bertelli
3 years 4 months ago

What does a replancement level GM look like? Dan Duquette?

Matt Bertelli
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Matt Bertelli
3 years 4 months ago

*replacement

Hurtlockertwo
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Hurtlockertwo
3 years 4 months ago

I would question the 10 weeks out as optimistic, that type of injury is much more significant to a guy that swings a big piece of wood for a living.

Jason
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Jason
3 years 4 months ago

The Yankees Mystique is worth around 5 or 6 WAR on it’s own.

Pft
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Pft
3 years 4 months ago

Tex might as well have surgery now and make sure he is ready for 2014.

Yankees opening day lineup will be the worst in over 20 years. Fans should stay away in droves to punish them for their penny pinching ways

If they did not have significant downgrades at C, RF, DH they might have withstood the loss of Granderson and Tex, but with a hobbled Jeter, declining Youk, aging Ichiro, no hit Gardner, replacement level catchers and a DH who goes on the DL when he sneezes and no high level prospects ready to step up they may as well wave the white flag. I would say blow it up but there is nothing to blow up except trading Cano.

KYLE 9000
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KYLE 9000
3 years 4 months ago

Paying out $210 million, the 2nd largest payroll in the majors, is pinching pennies?

Majesty
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Majesty
3 years 4 months ago

With Cano out for his PED suspension the Yankees may actually project to a .500 team.

YanksFanInBeantown
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YanksFanInBeantown
3 years 4 months ago

Good one.

redsox1
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redsox1
3 years 4 months ago

Curious if there any thoughtful insights out there on Sabathia’s diminished velocity last year? He saw a meaningful drop across all of his pitches in ’12. Importantly, his FB fell from 93.9 in ’11 to 92.4 in ’12. I wonder if this can be attributed to injury, age, or perhaps even a conscious decision on the part of CC (e.g. to better command his pitches or to handle a full season’s workload now that he’s into his 30’s)? Interestingly, even with the diminished velocity, he actually missed more bats with his pitches last year (11.5% SwStr) than in any season since ’08.

Any thoughts on what this may harbinger for this season? For one, I think Girardi may limit CC’s IP this year closer to 180-190 than the 200-240 we’ve seen from him in recent years.

YanksFanInBeantown
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YanksFanInBeantown
3 years 4 months ago

He was pitching through bone spurs last year. And he’s not gonna pitch 180-190 this year. He was limited to 200 last year from his usual 230-240 range. They’re not going to go lower than that.

sooted72
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sooted72
3 years 4 months ago

lol gotta love yankees fans. ellsbury is injury prone and has only had one good season so hes unreliable. meanwhile lets just go ahead and pencil brett gardner in for 6 WAR this year.

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