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		<title>By: CircleChange11</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/marlins-win-christmas-day-extension/#comment-424906</link>
		<dc:creator>CircleChange11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Dec 2010 08:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just read through those posts, and I&#039;ll be danged if I didn;t say the same things in those threads as I did this one. How unlike me? *grin*

It is weird that &quot;averaging rWAR and fWAR&quot; was never an option.

DC states that both WAR version have their flaws, but averaging them would seem to &quot;reduce&quot; the magnitude of each&#039;s flaws ... rather than choosing just one and hoping that it&#039;s the one that most accurately represents the value of the pitcher.

I&#039;m repeating myself again. Crap.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just read through those posts, and I&#8217;ll be danged if I didn;t say the same things in those threads as I did this one. How unlike me? *grin*</p>
<p>It is weird that &#8220;averaging rWAR and fWAR&#8221; was never an option.</p>
<p>DC states that both WAR version have their flaws, but averaging them would seem to &#8220;reduce&#8221; the magnitude of each&#8217;s flaws &#8230; rather than choosing just one and hoping that it&#8217;s the one that most accurately represents the value of the pitcher.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m repeating myself again. Crap.</p>
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		<title>By: Toffer Peak</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/marlins-win-christmas-day-extension/#comment-424535</link>
		<dc:creator>Toffer Peak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Dec 2010 06:15:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[fredsbank - What are you talking about? They just did that only a few months ago.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/why-our-pitcher-war-uses-fip/
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/why-our-pitcher-war-uses-fip-part-two/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fredsbank &#8211; What are you talking about? They just did that only a few months ago.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/why-our-pitcher-war-uses-fip/" rel="nofollow">http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/why-our-pitcher-war-uses-fip/</a><br />
<a href="http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/why-our-pitcher-war-uses-fip-part-two/" rel="nofollow">http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/why-our-pitcher-war-uses-fip-part-two/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/marlins-win-christmas-day-extension/#comment-424378</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Dec 2010 03:47:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the link, Circle. Love to see the same study incorporating the (I presume) ability of better pitchers to suppress doubles &amp; triples on balls-in-play---not merely *hits.*

Sidebar: does FIP or xFIP incorporate a pitcher&#039;s ability to negate the running game (e.g. Carpenter great, Lincecum crappy) or field their position?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link, Circle. Love to see the same study incorporating the (I presume) ability of better pitchers to suppress doubles &amp; triples on balls-in-play&#8212;not merely *hits.*</p>
<p>Sidebar: does FIP or xFIP incorporate a pitcher&#8217;s ability to negate the running game (e.g. Carpenter great, Lincecum crappy) or field their position?</p>
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		<title>By: CircleChange11</title>
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		<dc:creator>CircleChange11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Dec 2010 22:35:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I not disagreeing with that.

When a pitcher throws a sphere 93mph and the batter strikes it with a cylinder with enough force to send it at 100mph ... where it drops or goes is a mere matter of millimeters on the bat.

My issue with the word &quot;luck&quot; is that it implies it is not the result of skill.

In the baseball version of luck it is more in line with &quot;random&quot; in the regard that anything in the realm of probability can happen. But, I also point out that everything in life &quot;luck&quot; in that regard.

It&#039;s all probabilities. 

---------------------------------

As for Zavada, he complained his arm hurt in September. He was told it&#039;s all in his head. He kept pitching. He now has a 6-inch scar on his elbow as a result of him imagining his arm hurt. He&#039;ll be back. He&#039;s not the most talented guy on the block, but he can&#039;t be rattled. Baseball can&#039;t throw anything at him that life already hasn&#039;t.

There aren&#039;t a whole lot of other teams that use their bullpen to the degree Arizona has (nor have traded away so many relievers).

I&#039;m not the biggest Arizona fan right now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I not disagreeing with that.</p>
<p>When a pitcher throws a sphere 93mph and the batter strikes it with a cylinder with enough force to send it at 100mph &#8230; where it drops or goes is a mere matter of millimeters on the bat.</p>
<p>My issue with the word &#8220;luck&#8221; is that it implies it is not the result of skill.</p>
<p>In the baseball version of luck it is more in line with &#8220;random&#8221; in the regard that anything in the realm of probability can happen. But, I also point out that everything in life &#8220;luck&#8221; in that regard.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s all probabilities. </p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>As for Zavada, he complained his arm hurt in September. He was told it&#8217;s all in his head. He kept pitching. He now has a 6-inch scar on his elbow as a result of him imagining his arm hurt. He&#8217;ll be back. He&#8217;s not the most talented guy on the block, but he can&#8217;t be rattled. Baseball can&#8217;t throw anything at him that life already hasn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>There aren&#8217;t a whole lot of other teams that use their bullpen to the degree Arizona has (nor have traded away so many relievers).</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not the biggest Arizona fan right now.</p>
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		<title>By: DIVISION</title>
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		<dc:creator>DIVISION</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Dec 2010 18:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The &quot;luck&quot; argument is bullshit, circle.

Luck is simply an intangible which can&#039;t be quantified by stats.

There are too many variables involved to even try.

Think about it.

If &quot;luck&quot; played any small part in success, Clay Zavada and his baby mustache would still be pitching in Phoenix.

It wasn&#039;t a matter of luck.

His body couldn&#039;t handle the rigors of MLB pitching, thus he got injured.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;luck&#8221; argument is bullshit, circle.</p>
<p>Luck is simply an intangible which can&#8217;t be quantified by stats.</p>
<p>There are too many variables involved to even try.</p>
<p>Think about it.</p>
<p>If &#8220;luck&#8221; played any small part in success, Clay Zavada and his baby mustache would still be pitching in Phoenix.</p>
<p>It wasn&#8217;t a matter of luck.</p>
<p>His body couldn&#8217;t handle the rigors of MLB pitching, thus he got injured.</p>
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		<title>By: CircleChange11</title>
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		<dc:creator>CircleChange11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Dec 2010 08:05:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Found it ...

http://207.56.97.150/articles/ipavg2.htm]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Found it &#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://207.56.97.150/articles/ipavg2.htm" rel="nofollow">http://207.56.97.150/articles/ipavg2.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: CircleChange11</title>
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		<dc:creator>CircleChange11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Dec 2010 07:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks.

What I have been doing is starting with this article ( http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/confessions-of-a-dips-apostate/ ), reading all of the information linked at the end of the article.

So far it&#039;s about 130 pages (C&amp;P&#039;d into Word for saving).

What I cannot locate is Tom Tippet&#039;s study on ...

&lt;blockquote&gt;Tom Tippett of Diamond Mind Baseball published a lengthy study on pitchers with long careers and found evidence that those pitchers exhibited some ability to affect the rate of hits on balls in play&lt;/blockquote&gt;

and

&lt;blockquote&gt;Tom Tippet showed that good pitchers allow less hits on balls in play than their teammates&lt;/blockquote&gt;

For fun, I exported the career stats from this site into excel, specifically looking at K/9 and BB/9 and their correlation with BABIP ... thinking that either high K guys&#039; stuff would be so good that they&#039;d be hard to hit and/or guys with outstanding control might be hard to hit.

The graphs of each relationship is pretty much symmetrical when divided by a line at .290 BABIP. Then while reading I found that this had already been done by guys quite a bit smarter than me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks.</p>
<p>What I have been doing is starting with this article ( <a href="http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/confessions-of-a-dips-apostate/" rel="nofollow">http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/confessions-of-a-dips-apostate/</a> ), reading all of the information linked at the end of the article.</p>
<p>So far it&#8217;s about 130 pages (C&amp;P&#8217;d into Word for saving).</p>
<p>What I cannot locate is Tom Tippet&#8217;s study on &#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p>Tom Tippett of Diamond Mind Baseball published a lengthy study on pitchers with long careers and found evidence that those pitchers exhibited some ability to affect the rate of hits on balls in play</p></blockquote>
<p>and</p>
<blockquote><p>Tom Tippet showed that good pitchers allow less hits on balls in play than their teammates</p></blockquote>
<p>For fun, I exported the career stats from this site into excel, specifically looking at K/9 and BB/9 and their correlation with BABIP &#8230; thinking that either high K guys&#8217; stuff would be so good that they&#8217;d be hard to hit and/or guys with outstanding control might be hard to hit.</p>
<p>The graphs of each relationship is pretty much symmetrical when divided by a line at .290 BABIP. Then while reading I found that this had already been done by guys quite a bit smarter than me.</p>
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