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	<title>Comments on: Miami Reloads&#8230; Again with Decent Haul from Detroit</title>
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		<title>By: cable fixer</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/miami-reloads-again-with-decent-haul-from-detroit/#comment-3012836</link>
		<dc:creator>cable fixer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2012 13:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[agree. especially if you buy the &quot;offense comes later for catchers&quot; idea.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>agree. especially if you buy the &#8220;offense comes later for catchers&#8221; idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Red</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/miami-reloads-again-with-decent-haul-from-detroit/#comment-3011250</link>
		<dc:creator>Red</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2012 04:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think prospects should be given as much time as possible to reach the majors because I believe it can be harder to improve in certain areas in the majors as opposed to the minors.  Advancing a prospect because they&#039;re dominating is acceptable until they reach the majors in my opinion.  If they&#039;re dominating in High A but don&#039;t really have the change up more necessary to dominate at AA as opposed to High A, promote them.  The prospect can improve his changeup in AA as easily in High A because performance isn&#039;t the only thing that matters.  I believe Turner should stay in AAA all year until the Marlins belive his breaking ball will get sufficient swings and misses in the bigs.  Give him time to improve until you can&#039;t feasilbly hold him back any longer (ie dominates in AAA for a full year or two if you have good MLB starters already).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think prospects should be given as much time as possible to reach the majors because I believe it can be harder to improve in certain areas in the majors as opposed to the minors.  Advancing a prospect because they&#8217;re dominating is acceptable until they reach the majors in my opinion.  If they&#8217;re dominating in High A but don&#8217;t really have the change up more necessary to dominate at AA as opposed to High A, promote them.  The prospect can improve his changeup in AA as easily in High A because performance isn&#8217;t the only thing that matters.  I believe Turner should stay in AAA all year until the Marlins belive his breaking ball will get sufficient swings and misses in the bigs.  Give him time to improve until you can&#8217;t feasilbly hold him back any longer (ie dominates in AAA for a full year or two if you have good MLB starters already).</p>
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		<title>By: jim</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/miami-reloads-again-with-decent-haul-from-detroit/#comment-3011053</link>
		<dc:creator>jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2012 03:40:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[it&#039;s gotta be a parody website.  but if it is, it&#039;s terrible.  actually, it&#039;s terrible either way]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it&#8217;s gotta be a parody website.  but if it is, it&#8217;s terrible.  actually, it&#8217;s terrible either way</p>
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		<title>By: Marc</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/miami-reloads-again-with-decent-haul-from-detroit/#comment-3010291</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2012 23:40:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[kaka]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kaka</p>
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		<title>By: PhillR</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/miami-reloads-again-with-decent-haul-from-detroit/#comment-3010205</link>
		<dc:creator>PhillR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2012 23:16:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The site has to be satirical right?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The site has to be satirical right?</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/miami-reloads-again-with-decent-haul-from-detroit/#comment-3009521</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2012 20:16:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is a chance it&#039;s better to move quickly through the minors than to stagnate at a level.  Why not maximize the pitcher&#039;s value before possible injuries set in?

The problem with most of the handwringing by people over rushing a pitcher too quickly is that is hard to define.  What is &quot;too quickly&quot;?  Are we judging based on some sort of age/level curve where they should be?  Are we basing it on years of professional experience?  Are we basing it on performance?  I feel most people who have that mindset claim it&#039;s based on performance.  Moving a kid up before he has shown mastery of a given level.  But isn&#039;t that in and of itself a selection bias?  I mean if you think kids who didn&#039;t dominate a given level are moved too soon, are you just poo-pooing the kids who were never going to dominate that level in the first place because of their inherent lower level of ability?

The concept is too nebulous and unsupported by objective data to worry about it at this point.

I suspect the common refrain is simply selection bias.  People look in hindsight for reasons why their former favorite top prospect didn&#039;t pan out.  Guess what, lots of pitching prospects don&#039;t pan out.  Trying to peg it on a player being rushed is relatively unlikely at least in the grand scheme of things.  If there is any effect at all, it is likely small in magnitude.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a chance it&#8217;s better to move quickly through the minors than to stagnate at a level.  Why not maximize the pitcher&#8217;s value before possible injuries set in?</p>
<p>The problem with most of the handwringing by people over rushing a pitcher too quickly is that is hard to define.  What is &#8220;too quickly&#8221;?  Are we judging based on some sort of age/level curve where they should be?  Are we basing it on years of professional experience?  Are we basing it on performance?  I feel most people who have that mindset claim it&#8217;s based on performance.  Moving a kid up before he has shown mastery of a given level.  But isn&#8217;t that in and of itself a selection bias?  I mean if you think kids who didn&#8217;t dominate a given level are moved too soon, are you just poo-pooing the kids who were never going to dominate that level in the first place because of their inherent lower level of ability?</p>
<p>The concept is too nebulous and unsupported by objective data to worry about it at this point.</p>
<p>I suspect the common refrain is simply selection bias.  People look in hindsight for reasons why their former favorite top prospect didn&#8217;t pan out.  Guess what, lots of pitching prospects don&#8217;t pan out.  Trying to peg it on a player being rushed is relatively unlikely at least in the grand scheme of things.  If there is any effect at all, it is likely small in magnitude.</p>
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		<title>By: So You Know Its Real</title>
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		<dc:creator>So You Know Its Real</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jul 2012 19:38:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wasn&#039;t trying to say that rushing pitchers through the minors can&#039;t possibly be detrimental to them, I&#039;m just saying that it&#039;s an easy cop out that seems to be the go-to whenever a prospect struggles at a level higher than their age historically calls for them to be at.  

And that a statement such as: &quot;Turner was hurt by the organization’s over-aggressive development plan in an effort to compensate for a weak minor league system,&quot; is poor journalism.  It&#039;s not stating that it could possibly have slowed his development, it&#039;s stating a theory as fact, one that can&#039;t be supported by anything other than opinion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wasn&#8217;t trying to say that rushing pitchers through the minors can&#8217;t possibly be detrimental to them, I&#8217;m just saying that it&#8217;s an easy cop out that seems to be the go-to whenever a prospect struggles at a level higher than their age historically calls for them to be at.  </p>
<p>And that a statement such as: &#8220;Turner was hurt by the organization’s over-aggressive development plan in an effort to compensate for a weak minor league system,&#8221; is poor journalism.  It&#8217;s not stating that it could possibly have slowed his development, it&#8217;s stating a theory as fact, one that can&#8217;t be supported by anything other than opinion.</p>
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