Number Two Hitter: Robinson Cano

Although I have not done a general survey of reactions to Joe Girardi‘s decision to have Robinson Cano hit second in eight of the Yankees’ first 11 games, I can imagine many saber-friendly fans are excited to see the player who is mostly likely the Yankees’ best hitter in the second spot. Ever since the findings The Book’s chapter on lineup optimization became popular among baseball bloggers, complaints about managers “wasting” the second spot in the lineup (where the best hitter, or at least one of the best three, according to The Book) have increased.

I do not know whether Joe Girardi is putting Cano second because of sabermetric insights or simply because with Derek Jeter and Mark Teixeira out, he is at a loss regarding how to split up the lefties in his lineup otherwise. The latter suggestion is what Wallace Matthews believes. Matthews is not a fan of Cano hitting second. After all, a hitter with Cano’s average and power simply can’t hit second, right? Matthews:

Robinson Cano is not a No. 2 hitter, not in any way, shape or form, and not on anyone’s lineup card in baseball. Except, of course, for Joe Girardi’s…. This adjustment, however, does not add up. In addition to all the home runs the Yankees lost to free agency, the injuries to Curtis Granderson and Mark Teixeira took two bats that accounted for 67 home runs last season out of the lineup. So instead of installing Cano, who hit 33 HRs last year, in the middle of the lineup where he belongs, Girardi moves him up.

My intention is not to pick on Matthews, who makes some other interesting batting order suggestions and notes that Girardi ends up batting two lefties together, anyway, with Cano coming right behind Brett Gardner at the top of the order. Matthews’ comments quoted simply serve to illustrate a certain mindset about what sort of hitters should or should not hit second. I will take it for granted that it is just fine to have the team’s best hitter hit second. What I want to examine is whether, in this specific case, it makes sense if the Yankees are going to hit Cano right behind another left-handed hitter.

Before getting to the Yankees and Cano, I probably need to briefly justify a post about batting order. After all, batting order does not matter all that much. Studies have found that the difference between a typical and optimized batting order is worth between just five and 15 runs a year. Moreover, one really needs to do something with models and simulations to get the best batting order, and I am not going to get into that specifically here.

Still, I have toyed with the idea of something like a “Number Two Watch” for a while as an occasional series, and I want to give it a try here with a situation that interests me for a particular reason. As for the issue of how much batting order batters, I have two responses: 1) Batting order matters about as much as other stuff we worry about in baseball. 2) If we are only supposed to write about important things, why would we blog about baseball at all? On to the issue at hand

It is hard to say how long the Gardner-Cano one-two punch at the top of the Yankees’ batting order will last. The Yankees utilized it from their third game up until yesterday’s game, when Vernon Wells (~!) hit second and Cano moved down to third. I assume this was at least in part due to the Orioles sending left-handed starter to the mound, so the right-handed Wells went into the game. But even if it ends the Cano hitting second experiment, there is still something worth talking about.

One difficulty when talking about even just one batting order spot is that one cannot consider just one hitter and his traits. The notion of a player being “ideal” for a particular batting order slot tends to cover up the fact that where a hitter is best slotted depends on the specific skills of the other hitters in the lineup. Putting all the likely combinations of base/out situations for various possible batting order combinations is not something one humans can realistically do, which is why simulations and models are important. This is all a roundabout way explaining why I am going to limit the discussion to one specific point: granted that the Yankees have decided to bat the left-handed hitting Gardner first, is it still okay to have another lefty, Cano, second?

Matthews himself notes that Girardi ended up with Cano and Gardner hitting next to each other because he was trying to split up his lefties, but in particular combinations of his currently available hitters, it was impossible to do completely. So Girardi opted to put two lefties up top. The problem with putting two lefties together, even against a right-handed starter, is that in late, high-leverage situations, the opponent might be able to better leverage a left-handed reliever against the team.

That is a concern, and, again, what we really need is a very sophisticated model or simulation (better than any publicly available ones that I know about) to help us work out all the possibilities. We can still think things through on an abstract level, though.

As noted above, for the sake of simplicity let’s just assume Gardner is at leadoff at least for now. Gardner himself has a pretty small observed platoon split, but using his current ZiPS Rest-of-Season projections and regressing his platoon numbers, he projects as a .330 wOBA hitter versus righties and a .305 wOBA hitter versus lefties.

As for Cano, he had a mammoth platoon split last year, sporting an incredible .461 wOBA versus righties and a backup cathcer-esque .290 wOBA versus southpaws. Prior to 2012, though, he actually had a smaller-than-average platoon split for a left-handed hitter. Cano’s current ZiPS projection is for a .377 wOBA. Applying the same method used above for estimating his platoon skills and applying it to that projection, I have him as a great .394 wOBA hitter versus righties, and a still-good .355 wOBA hitter versus lefties.

Obviously, with these two batting next to each other, an opposing manager is going to try to leverage his left-handed specialist against them in crucial situations down the stretch. But keep in mind that with their current lineup against right-handed starters, the Yankees are going to have to have two lefties batting next to each other somewhere. And Cano’s .355 expected wOBA versus lefties is still very good — even if Gardner projects to be pretty bad against lefties, Cano is not, even if he is not nearly as good against righties.

To repeat perhaps one too many times — one really needs to go through all the options for the batting order, and I cannot do that here. One could, for example, suggest that Kevin Youkilis, who projects as a .385 wOBA hitter versus lefties given the methods above, should hit second. Maybe, but note two things. First, as Matthews noticed, the Yankees would still have to have two lefties somewhere in the lineup, and it is impossible to plan for which set of lefties will come up in a crucial situation late in a game.

Of more interest to me is a second point: while some game situations are more crucial, this sort of thinking emphasizes those over the majority of the plate appearances in which the Gardner/Cano pair would likely face against the starter. One might argue that Youkilis or another righty should hit second versus a lefty starter. Leaving that aside, versus a right-handed starter, Cano is much more effective. In those games the opposition will have only one, maybe two chance to bring in a lefty specialist against them. And not all of those games will have crucial situations — some of them will be blowouts one way or the other. It might happen, it might not. However, one can be pretty sure they are going to get at least three shots against the righty starter, unless he gets knocked out of the game, in which case a crucial situation is pretty unlikely.

In other words, why emphasize the chance of a one high leverage situation over the relative likelihood of several series of plate appearances versus a right-handed starter that both hitters would face? My point is not that I know for sure. (I admit to at least partly violating my own warnings by not simulating or modelling the probabilities myself.) It may indeed be better to hit Youkilis second. But, assuming Gardner is going to lead off, it is not obvious to me that he should. Like other general batting order “rules,” splitting up lefties is a good idea, but like the rest of those rules, it is not necessarily a hard and fast one. As I have wondered elsewhere, in particular cases, it might be the case where the (very slightly) increased chance of scoring more runs by being willing to stack hitters of the same handedness versus a starter might outweigh the benefits of betting on facing a certain kind of relief specialist.

Per game, and even per season, we are talking about just a few runs. But when we talk about “little things” making a difference, this is one I think it at least worth considering.




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  1. D4P says:

    Second baseman bats second. Duh.

    On a related note, Don Mattingly has plugged his 2B into the #2 spot in the lineup in all 12 Dodger games so far thus year, while batting Andre Ethier #5 or #6 in every game. It seems safe to assume that Mattingly thinks it’s to the Dodgers’ advantage to have a weak-hitting 2B hit #2 and a better-hitting RF hit # 5/6. If true, this would imply that the opposing team would be better off seeing Ethier hit #2 and weak 2B hit #6.

    It would be great to have someone sit Mattingly down and pose this question: If you’re a pitcher facing the Dodgers, would you REALLY rather see Ethier #2 and 2B #5/6 than weak 2B #2 and Ethier # 5/6? Are you REALLY more afraid of weak 2B grounding out or bunting to advance a runner than you are of Ethier driving the runner in with an XBH?

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    • Trotter76 says:

      When putting a lineup together, as the author notes, you have to think about all the players, not just one. The 2-spot is often asked to a) take strikes so the leadoff hitter has a chance to steal and b) hit to the right side or bunt to move a runner over, aka sacrifice his AB for the good of the team. Do you REALLY want Ethier to look at good pitches or sacrifice his AB?
      2nd point, if you stack all your best hitters at the top, then the Dodgers, in this case, would have AJ Ellis hitting 6th, followed by Mark Ellis, Luis Cruz, Nick Punto and the pitcher (or whatever SS/3B combo they go with until Hanley is healthy). Is that REALLY how you want the bottom half of your lineup to look?
      So maybe you think the Dodgers shouldn’t take such a stars-n-scrubs approach to building a team, but that’s not Mattingly’s call — he just has to play the pieces the GM gives him. I see nothing wrong with putting a useful, professional — though weak hitting — 2B in the 2 hole and putting your RBI guys in RBI positions in the lineup. Old school ain’t necessarily wrong.

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      • Los120 says:

        Can’t tell if trolling or serious…

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        • Trotter76 says:

          I’m serious. D4P makes it sound like it’s so obvious that Ethier should be in the 2 hole rather than 5th, so I’m just pointing out the reasons why it’s not. There is value in taking a pitch so Crawford can steal. There’s value in playing for a quick one-run lead in the first. Either you tell Ethier to hit like a 2-hitter, or you give up some opportunities.
          Also, Ethier got an XBH about 9% of his PA’s last year, and under 11% of the time in his career. I don’t have the data for how often Ellis fails to get the runner over from 2nd to 3rd with no out, but I bet it’s a lot lower than 89%.
          Finally, I mistyped on my previous post. If Ethier bats 2nd, AJ Ellis (or whoever) would be in the 5th spot behind Gonzalez, not the 6th. They only have 4 powerful hitters in the whole lineup. You don’t want 5 singles hitters (or worse) in a row. Those were my points.

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        • DodgersKingsoftheGalaxy says:

          I can’t tell either, as a fan of a team that just wasted good starts from Beckett and Kershaw while being unable to score. I don’t think any of us really give a bleep about having anyone good in the second half of the order, you need to score some damn runs and have your best hitters get the most at bats!

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      • Steven says:

        Isn’t the point that if Either hit 2nd he wouldn’t be asked to take strikes and bunt? Instead, the Dodgers would ask him to hit XBH and score runners from 1st, bat one more time in a few games than he would otherwise, and get on base for Kemp and company.

        You don’t hit one of your best hitters 2nd and then ask him to back like a traditional 2-hole hitter. Rather, you bat one of your best hitters 2nd and have hime still act like one of your best hitters.

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      • EDogg1438 says:

        I’ve never figured out why Mattingly refuses to bat AJ Ellis at the top of the lineup. He has a great OBP and takes a ton of pitches so Crawford has a chance to steal. It fits both traditional and SABR models of lineup construction.

        And Mark Ellis has horrible platoon splits against RHP. He should never bat above 7th against RHP.

        Dodger lineup vs. RHP:

        1. Crawford
        2. AJ Ellis
        3. Gonzalez
        4. Kemp
        5. Ethier
        6-9. Suck

        Dodger lineup vs. LHP

        1. AJ Ellis
        2. Mark Ellis
        3. Gonzalez
        4. Kemp
        5. Crawford
        6. Ethier
        7-9. Suck

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      • no says:

        Do I want my better hitters getting more PAs than my crappy hitters? Yes.

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    • Blue says:

      This was exactly my reaction as well.

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  2. YanksFanInBeantown says:

    Why avoid picking on Matthews? Matthews is an idiot and deserves to be picked on for saying stupid things.

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    • Sleight of Hand Pro says:

      i wouldnt say anything (at least the excerpt presented here) he said was stupid … i dont agree with his stance and i dont think his argument was particularly compelling, but i wouldnt say he said something stupid.

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      • YanksFanInBeantown says:

        Well, I mean for saying stupid things in general.

        It’s only notable when Wally Matthews isn’t saying something unintelligent and uninformed. He’s like Nick Cafardo without the friends in the industry.

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    • Guns says:

      No, Wally is the worst. No doubt about it. I don’t have the time or the patience to explain why, but I think just about every Yankee fan knows. Holy shit he sucks.

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    • enhanced performance says:

      Interesting post as it shows the thinking process that the author uses better than most. He really tries to attack the problem from all available angles and he tries to anticipate the objections of the readers.
      I have one question about batting second. Is it true that batting second suppresses one’s traditional stats and might make star players wary of having lower rbi totals and even lower numbers of pitches to have free access to swing at? If that is true it might be one of the reasons managers keep certain players out of that spot. It might not….

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  3. Guns says:

    I would personally be shocked if Joe Girardi made ANY decisions regarding the team based on saber metrics. This man is an absolute SLAVE to the platoon advantage and will do whatever it takes to split up his lineup, even if that means having inferior hitters such as Eduardo Nunez and Steve Pearce batting at the top of the order, or taking a superior hitter such as Jason Giambi out of the lineup entirely against a lefty, usually ignoring any sample size issues.

    Of course this is all just my opinion.

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    • YanksFanInBeantown says:

      Well, do platoon advantages not stem from sabermetrics?

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    • Steve says:

      even if that means having inferior hitters such as Eduardo Nunez and Steve Pearce batting at the top of the order

      Luckily we can check this:

      http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/NYY/2012-batting-orders.shtml

      Looks like Pearce batted higher than 6th all of ONE time last year. I don’t see Nunez anywhere near the top of the order…

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    • Steve says:

      Also, Girardi only managed Giambi for one year in NY, 2008. Giambi played 145 games that year, his most since 2003.

      If Girardi used a LHer on the mound as a chance to rest his 37 year old lumbering 1Bman, doesn’t that strike you as … smart? How many games should he have played? 160?

      Facts are your friend.

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  4. Ruki Motomiya says:

    Something to consider on the subject of Cano/Gardner’s platoon splits: What about accounting for the fact LOOGYs almost always have large platoon splits that make them very good vs. lefties? Cano is a .355 WOBA hitter against lefties, for example, but what about when he is thrown at lefties who are specifically very good against lefties?

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  5. MSpitz says:

    I think it’s a great idea to have Cano batting 2nd, except for the fact that he’s currently the best hitter in the lineup (by quite a bit), and now the 3-4 of the Yankees lineup looks like the 6-7 of most other good teams’ lineups

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  6. Bryan says:

    Cano is a classic #2 hitter, just like Mark McGwire.

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  7. Art Schachter says:

    It is of some interest that the first comment involved Don Mattingly as a manager. In 1985, Billy Martin decided to “insanely” bat his best hitter…..none other than Mr. Mattingly 2nd after obtaining Ricky Henderson to bat leadoff. My recollection is that he only did this against Lefthanded starters and was immediately attacked for such non-traditional thought. The result was 146 runs for Henderson and 145 RBIs for Mattingly. Not exactly the same caliber of ballplayers in Gardner and Cano, but I think the same type of seemingly unorthodox thought with potentially surprising results.

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  8. Steve says:

    Girardi was on the radio last week and he said this (I am paraphrasing):

    Cano is our best hitter and I want him to get more ABs.

    Also, if Wallace Matthews doesn’t like it, it must be a good idea.

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  9. Robin says:

    I only ended up on this page due to a “Number Two Watch” google search gone wrong.

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  10. murphym45 says:

    If you wanted to avoid hitting two of your lefties back-to-back if possible, but had to at one spot in the lineup (as seems to be the case with the Yankees), I would imagine that there would be two options to minimize damage against left-handed relievers in high-leverage situations.
    1) Make sure that one of the back-to-back lefties is the lefty with the best wOBA against lefties to minimize platoon splits
    2) Make sure that one of the back-to-back lefties is the least valuable overall lefty, such that it would not hurt as much to pinch hit a righty in a high leverage situation

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  11. Jim Lahey says:

    This is the best reasoning I can think of for hitting Cano 2nd and having him be the one with the platoon issues potentially… hes their best LHB against LHP… they won’t get to shift on him as much with Gardner or it will have potentially greater consequences.

    A lot of AL east teams are shifting Cano heavily and take a lot his pulled line drive singles to RF and turn them into “ground ball” outs. With Gardner on base (gets on base highest rate of anyone else usually), his speed will more often result in something on the shift being altered.

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