Second Opinion: Now Available

I’m pleased to announce that FanGraphs first publication, The 2010 Second Opinion is now available for sale at the price of $7.95! What you get is a PDF and all the information is also available online through your FanGraphs.com account. Here’s the rundown:

Player Profiles – Over 400 in-depth player profiles written by many of the FanGraphs and RotoGraphs contributors you’re already familiar with.

Articles – Closer situations, players coming back from injuries, sophomore players to watch, 2010 fantasy prospects, impact trades, the big questions for 2010, and something that Carson wrote, where he answers your questions before you even ask them!

Stats & Graphs – Each player profile is accompanied by a stat box with 10 very useful stats for both fantasy and real-life player evaluation including spark graphs showing career trends.

Team Previews – Each team is previewed for next season, giving you the rundown on what to expect from a fantasy and real-life standpoint.

Bonus Material – FanGraphs has partnerned with ESPN Insider this season and if you purchase the PDF, you’ll have access to anything we write for ESPN Insider right here on FanGraphs.com up until March 1st, 2011.

Online Integration – In addition to the PDF, you will have access to all the information in the book on FanGraphs.com when logged in to your FanGraphs account. This information will include the written player profiles which will be integrated into the stats pages and all the articles and team previews in the book.

If you run into any payment problems or other issues please fill out a contact form and we’ll try and solve the problem as soon as possible!



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David Appelman is the creator of FanGraphs.


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Spence
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Spence
6 years 6 months ago

Do I get something special for buying it first?!!?!?

Haha, no but really it’s awesome.

cavegravedave
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cavegravedave
6 years 6 months ago

people pls support this consumer-oriented product. Fangraphs is virtually free, provides a full RSS Feed (so you dont have to click to their site and see their ads to read their content) and delivers a digital-pdf downloadable premium content (basically you get the full value of the site for a mere $7.00 because you can read their premium articles on ESPN as well). This is very unlike the competition out there (BP) that doesn’t bring the same quality of analysis and uses tacky marketing tactics to nickel and dime their users/viewers.

Sky Kalkman
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6 years 6 months ago

Just curious, what are the tacky marketing tactics you don’t like from BPro?

cavegravedave
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cavegravedave
6 years 6 months ago

I was referring to the other BP (i dont want to say their name because they dont deserve the promotion).

You pay $40/yr for their middling analysis … terrible site … faulty stats and recently innacurate projection system. They only publish their headlines in RSS feeds (even for paying subscribers) so that you have to click on their site and see their ads to read the content — and a lot of times during their premium articles they’re subliminally upselling you on their book “this is explained more in this years book!! … get the book !! .. the book is awesome !!”

Fangraphs is complete opposite of this approach .. and we should all be VERY appreciative of it .. i know i sure as hell am.

poodski
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6 years 6 months ago

Its messed up the ink to print this thing will cost more than the file itself.

EnglishMariner
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EnglishMariner
6 years 6 months ago

To be honest I’m not interested in reading a .pdf, I prefer to read things like this in print. However I have bought it simply because I think this site is wonderful and I want to support your efforts. I hope in the future we will see things like this in print to rival things like the Baseball Prospectus 2010, which I know is not as accurate as FG but I like to read nevertheless.

R M
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R M
6 years 5 months ago

They wouldn’t be able to put something like this in print for $7.95….

Marc Hulet
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Marc Hulet
6 years 6 months ago

Even if you don’t like reading a PDF, all the articles, profiles and team previews are available right on the site once you buy the book… (along with the ESPN coverage) so you can read them at your leisure all year long.

JordWindy
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6 years 6 months ago

This is amazing. Thank you.

Sky Kalkman
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6 years 6 months ago

David, love that you’ve integrated the content with the site. How 21st century of you.

Teej
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Teej
6 years 6 months ago

Yeah, that’s the clincher for me. Buying it right now.

Sky Kalkman
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6 years 6 months ago

David, what projection system did you use for the stats?

memo_rivera
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memo_rivera
6 years 6 months ago

Same as a previous comment. Love the site and looking to support any new efforts.

The addition of keeping track of personal player stats.. fantasy or otherwise is great. Easy to use.

Thanks.

Tim
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Tim
6 years 6 months ago

Questions:

Would the profiles/articles/previews that are unlocked by the pdf purchase be accessible via the iPhone app? If that’s the case I’ll likely purchase both.

Also, how many pages is the pdf? I would probably print it at work but if it’s more than a couple hundo pages that might be too much.

Thanks for the innovative product offering- I love ebooks, I think this is a fair price, and I like that you’re using an open distribution format.

cavegravedave
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cavegravedave
6 years 6 months ago

Not to mention it keeps Fangraphs cost down, which keeps my costs down. Thank you for that too.

JordWindy
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6 years 6 months ago

The fact that I can now see all the stuff on the website integrated makes it an even better steal. Again thank you!

Steve Balboni
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6 years 6 months ago

Its not my business, but shouldn’t you advertsie this in a banner at the top of your site? I don’t usually read every post, but of course I’d buy the product & I don’t think I’m atypical (except for my skillset).

Sky Kalkman
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6 years 6 months ago

Yeah, David, I’m surprised you only have the Second Opinion ad on the front page and not on interior pages: articles, players, RG front page. Also, any chance you’re going to roll out an affiliate sales program for this?

ShaneSpencer98killa
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ShaneSpencer98killa
6 years 6 months ago

Curious… There’s no copyright issue if i send this to Kinkos to print out and bound? I have a crappy printer and this with the BP 2010 and the Fielding Bible will be like sacred baseball text for me this year especially with my team if the name wasn’t the giveaway. If not, I understand and will read it online?

Rich Alan
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6 years 6 months ago

Damn, you guys are awesome. I would have bought this even if it sucked as support for providing me with my favorite place to kill time while I’m on the clock. But of course it doesn’t suck. And $7.95? I feel like I’m stealing right now, and with a high success rate!

Kincaid
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6 years 6 months ago

“I feel like I’m stealing right now, and with a high success rate!”

Ha! That’s a good line.

rlintott
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rlintott
6 years 6 months ago

One quick question on this: what do the lines in the stat graphs represent? Since there aren’t labels for the Y axis, I’m just trying to figure it out.

Fantastic product though. Thanks for putting this together and making it available for such a great price!

Josh
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Josh
6 years 6 months ago

I read through all the articles. Good stuff. Well worth the 7 bucks. Pretty sure I’d purchase just about anything you guys put out. I also noticed the player blurbs now appear on the player pages. Nice feature.

Josh
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Josh
6 years 6 months ago

Out of curiosity, where would Valverde fall in the closer tiers? Is there a more appropriate place I can post this question?

Dave Allen
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Member
6 years 6 months ago

Josh,

Yeah I wrote that article and unfortunately turned it in after the Tigers signed Valverde. I would have put him near the top of the second (middle) tier.

Todd Doug
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Todd Doug
6 years 6 months ago

Bought it last night, finally got to look at it today. I dig it, very much worth $7.95. Hopefully, no one else in my fantasy league reads this site. Keep up the great work!

Edwincnelson
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Edwincnelson
6 years 6 months ago

Bought it as soon as I saw it was available. Fangraphs rocks.

astrostl
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astrostl
6 years 6 months ago

“You can download the book at any time using the download link to the right.”

I just bought the PDF and received an email receipt, but I am unable to locate a download link to the right – just a BUY NOW banner which leads me to a repeat purchase. Took a screenshot of it, Firefox browser with a very popular add-on (if you guess what it is you can surmise why I’m not naming it!).

So

1) I’d be much obliged for a direct link or navigation instructions to one and

2) On the printing front you might want to check out http://www.pragprog.com/ for publishing. They primarily deal with technical/programming books, but they’ve got an infrastructure set up around combined eBook and print publishing. You’ll take a hit in margins, but might make more money overall in combined sales.

DavidCEisen
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DavidCEisen
6 years 6 months ago

Very good publication with great information. My one complaint is that it could be better edited.

YankeesJunkie
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YankeesJunkie
6 years 6 months ago

Will this be coming out in some sort of print format? I would love to see the info because this sight truly offers some of the best indepth analyst in baseball stats and anyway to get this site more money to continue to improve on its stats would be well worth it.

longbeachyo
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longbeachyo
6 years 6 months ago

Looks great! I’ll try and talk my wife into letting me get it. Just one question, isn’t it a little early to be projecting lineups??? My draft is on the 27th of March and it always seems like the lineups change a lot…

Marc Hulet
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Member
6 years 5 months ago

We’ll certainly be keeping you in the loop on any major changes in playing time over on the fantasy site of Fangraphs from now until the end of the season.

Iron Mike Devereaux
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Iron Mike Devereaux
6 years 5 months ago

Worth it for the player profiles alone. Best eight bucks I ever spent!

noseeum
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noseeum
6 years 5 months ago

hey guys, great work.

You might want to consider collaborating with http://www.blurb.com/ next year for publishing. Those of a political bent may be aware of Andrew Sullivan. He used blurb to publish a book called “A View From Your Window” which consisted of about 200 color pictures sent in by his readers.

They setup a window for pledges and were able to get the per book price for a full color print to $16.95. In your case there doesn’t need to be much color, which should help with pricing. You should get a good feel for demand this year, and it would be easy to ask for pledges in the same way. If you had enough pledges to get the price near $20, that would be a great alternative to the pdf, and you could of course include the pdf and online access in the pricing.

Here’s a summary from andrew’s site:
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/11/the-view-from-your-window-buy-one-today.html

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/11/announcing-the-view-from-your-window.html

Jeff
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Jeff
6 years 5 months ago

Is there a sample player profile page? I know it’s cheap, but I don’t want to drop $8 without even a hint of what the content looks like.

CSJ
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6 years 5 months ago

The product is great and I haven’t had the chance to read through all the articles yet. The only complaint I have is that some of the players who signed later in the offseason. Would it be possible to just have these players pages updated or is that too close to the publishing date?

jlogandjr
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jlogandjr
6 years 5 months ago

No Jordan Zimmerman. It may sound odd, but looking for a fantasy angle, I was wondering if there would be an article, a mention or even just a list of players coming back from injury, or those to stow away for next year….nothing on Jordan Zimmerman or Jake McGee.

As someone that has read Baseball Prospectus since their first copy and free web site, I love insightful baseball information that comes out and want to thank you for making it digital. Thats definitely the way to go. Thank you FanGraphs.

RahulN
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RahulN
6 years 5 months ago

Loving the book, of course. One small suggestion/request: On the online version of the team previews, it would be fantastic if the player names could be links to their fangraphs profiles! This would be very convenient. Thanks!

Kent Bonham
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Kent Bonham
6 years 5 months ago

Congrats on the book, guys!

I just bought and downloaded it. Very cool to see the way the player comments are integrated into the site’s player pages.

I don’t even play fantasy baseball, but there’s plenty of value here to make it worth anyone’s money. Plus, it’s also just nice to have another way to support FanGraphs.

tommie
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tommie
6 years 5 months ago

Personally I am not going to purchase it.

But I’ll post the link on all the fantasy leagues I play in and hopefully if nothing else, more people would know of this great site.

clivestaples
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clivestaples
6 years 5 months ago

582 Pages and no pdf bookmarks…really?

Steve Balboni
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6 years 5 months ago

I bought it and read it this weekend. It seemed cheaply priced, but now I understand that its really a $50 product with the following discounts:

Edwin Jackson, typo (Yolk, not Yoke) = -$1
Ryan Madson, typo, (some, not same) = -$1
Hawpe, pun, (hop out of town) = -$5 and 6 years in the punitentionary
Cliff Lee, egad! (“thanks to playing for a good offense” [the Mariners]) = -$35.05

That equals $7.95

jhtesq
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jhtesq
6 years 5 months ago

I bought it and mistakingly did not down load and save.
I can’t access it now and the comments do not show on pl;ayer pages.
Its well worth but I would like to see it again.

johntee
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johntee
6 years 5 months ago

David- Thank you for your prompt response and pointing out my error in logging in. This is a great product which all fantasy players need to have. Hopefully the players in my league won’t find out about it.

hojusimpson
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hojusimpson
6 years 5 months ago

I’ve been a Braves fan since 1989 but stopped following baseball seriously in 2000 and entirely around 2002 (due to other priorities, distaste and other reasons).

I re-entered the sport after discovering MLB: The Show 06 and advanced statistics. The places that helped me ‘unlearn what I had learned’: THT, The Book blog and, of course, Fangraphs. Since then, I have been deeper into baseball than I ever was, appreciating more nuances and players than ever before. I truly feel rejuvenated and reinvigorated.

For all that this site has given me, it’s a no-brainer paying approximately $8 for a quality product such as this (elevated Mariners offensive prowess aside, as Steve Balboni pointed out).

NadavT
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NadavT
6 years 5 months ago

I’m loving the Second Opinion so far, but it seems like some of the player profiles could use an ADP-based reality check. For example, in the profile for Ben Zobrist, it says:

“Odds are his fantasy value will be inflated because of how good he was last year, and while this is by no means saying he’s turning back into a pumpkin, it’s just hard to see a first- or second-round pick being worthwhile given the potential flukiness of such an extraordinary campaign.”

According to Mockdraftcentral, the highest that Zobrist has gone in the last 160 drafts is 37th, and his ADP is 55.4, so most people already don’t think that Zobrist is worthy of a first- or second-round pick. A more useful question would be whether he’s worthy of a fourth- or fifth-round pick. Similarly, Jose Reyes (ADP: 22.4, lowest pick: 34th) is described as a “high-risk, high-reward selection in the middle rounds.” Does that mean he’s not worth the risk in the second or third round?

To really add value to fantasy drafts, it’d be nice if the Second Opinion player profiles incorporated a bit more context in order to advise whether certain players are likely to be worth targeting in drafts or not.

Thanks!

wasabibean
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wasabibean
6 years 5 months ago

Any chance you guys would make this data available in spreadsheet form for those who purchase? I’m sure you must have it somewhere like this… That would be a great value add for me.

wasabibean
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wasabibean
6 years 5 months ago

Not much more than is on the site now. Just like the top 600 players with a sheet for each CHONE, ZiPS, Fans, 2009 and years previous. Not to say this data isn’t available, but it’s hard to line it all up.

giantsrainman
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giantsrainman
6 years 5 months ago

Not Related to This Subject

But Zips is now done for all 30 teams and has been released for both Diamond Mind and Excel so what is the holdup with it being available here?

Brent Pearson
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Brent Pearson
6 years 5 months ago

Sold! I have had Fangraphs bookmarked for a few years now and set as my homepage. I had not registered for the site until now. This is great work, fellas!

-Brent

kellemonster
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kellemonster
6 years 5 months ago

I bought it as soon as I heard about it, and I think it was worth $8. But I guess I’m disappointed with using the fans projections. As Tom Tango has pointed out again and again when writing about projection systems, CHONE and ZIPS are much better than the fans on rate stats, but the fans are good at projecting playing time. So why not do an averaged projection of CHONE and ZIPS for the rates and then the fans for playing time.

Now, maybe CHONE and ZIPS are not licensed for commercial sale, and that’s why you couldn’t use them, and I know ZIPS wasn’t even ready in its first build until a few days ago, but I think it would be worth it.

And then I’d really like it if suggested auction values and draft positions were included in this book as well.

Finally, the career trends don’t seem as interesting to me, I’d rather have more analysis or more lines of compact stats than those graphs.

This is just me, but it is what I’d like.

cavegravedave
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cavegravedave
6 years 5 months ago

Fangraphs, I’m a big fan. Please don’t ever lose your brand image as “my friend, that’s more interested in helping me better understand the game, than getting into my pocketbook”

In today’s world it’s hard to trust any company/brand — which makes Fangraphs such a special place for me. I fully unequivocally trust that Fangraphs main priority is helping me better understand the game of baseball 1st, and making money is a residual of that first priority and not vice versa.

Please don’t ever lose that.

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6 years 5 months ago

How about a trade of Aaron Poreda, Logan Forsythe, Saywer Carroll, and Will Venable for Grady Sizemore. The Padres lineup becomes:
1. Everth Cabrera
2. David Eckstien
3. Grady Sizemore
4. Adrian Gonzalez
5. Kyle Blanks
6. Scott Hairston
7. Chase Headley
8. Nick Hundley

verd14
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verd14
6 years 5 months ago

I love this publication. Having said that, why did you guys decide to list the player profiles alphabetically, rather than by position and rank? I’ve noticed that as I update my fantasy cheat sheet by position it’s taking me some time to search the pdf by player (especially when the player’s name shows up more than once), rather than clicking the next player on the position. Just something to think about…

Pete
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Pete
6 years 5 months ago

Hi guys, love the site, actually use it about 10 times more than the pdf, BUT I bought it anyways.. for 7.95 its worth it for me just to use the site, and I like the fact you don’t push it down my throut with pop ups everywhere .. keep up the great job you guys are doing and stay true to the game and not “the man” and I’ll keep buying :)

futant462
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futant462
6 years 4 months ago

I’d pay 79.95/yr for access to your SQL DB’s :-)
Any chance of anything like that for the “part time baseball data-analyst with too much time & money but not enough data” niche market?

ahh, to dream…

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