The Weird Rumor is Now a Weird Trade

On Tuesday, I wrote about a trade rumor that, on paper, didn’t seem to make a lot of sense. Ken Rosenthal and Marc Topkin both reported that the Rays and Rockies were discussing a deal centered around Corey Dickerson and Jake McGee, and they’re the kind of reporters who don’t just say things for the fun of it; when they throw names out there, it’s because there is some substance behind the report. And so not surprisingly, two days later, the weird trade rumor is now a weird trade.

As we noted in the post about the rumor, McGee for Dickerson straight up just doesn’t make any sense for the Rockies. Trading four years — ages 27-30, no less — of a solid outfielder for two years of an injury prone closer is a present-for-future trade for a team that isn’t really a contender, and probably doesn’t make them better in the short-term either. Sure, their outfield was crowded after signing Gerardo Parra, but they have a hole at first base that Dickerson could have filled, and the gain from having a good reliever around to pitch 60 innings a year will be offset (or worse) by continuing on with a lack of a decent everyday player at first base.

Sure, Dickerson has his warts. Most notably, he’s battled injuries and they know his medical issues better than any other team, so the fact that they’re willing to sell low on him should suggest that perhaps we should downgrade our expectations of his playing time in 2016. But if you’re looking to dump health-risk, I don’t know that the answer is trading for Jake McGee. McGee had elbow surgery last off-season and opened the year on the disabled list, then went back on the DL in August after requiring minor knee surgery. And while he made three appearances at the end of the year after rehabbing that injury, he didn’t exactly look 100%.

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As a one-pitch guy — McGee throws his fastball 90% of the time — velocity is a bigger deal for him than most pitchers, and the last time he was standing on a mound, he didn’t have much. Given that he’d just come back from a knee problem, it might be the kind of thing that just clears itself up with a winter of rest, but if the argument for trading away Dickerson is that you don’t know how healthy he’s going to be, it’s hard to imagine that the Rockies just got a safer asset in an injury prone reliever who ended the year throwing 92.

And, if we’re going to give the Rockies the insider’s information status on Dickerson’s health, we have to do the same with McGee and the Rays. Both teams are trading players with roughly +2 to +3 WAR upside but plenty of health risks, only the Rays are getting four years of control while the Rockies are getting two years. Thus, the deal also includes a swap of minor league pitchers, as Dickerson is simply a more valuable asset than McGee.

Going to Colorado along with McGee is right-handed pitcher German Marquez, who spent 2015 in high-A ball as a 20 year old, and held his own along the way. He’s not an elite prospect or anything, but he’s shown velocity, control, and the ability to get groundballs, and there’s enough potential there for him to turn into something in the not too distant future. For an organization focused on finding guys who can locate fastballs down in the zone, Marquez seems like an obvious target, and if that kind of pitcher is the key to harnessing Coors Field — that remains to be seen — then he may have more value in Colorado than he would in other organizations.

But these kinds of A-ball live-arms have the lowest success rates of any kind of pitching prospect, and it’s far more likely that Marquez never pitches in the big leagues than turns into a significant asset. Collecting guys like this is a good strategy for an organization that needs to develop pitching internally, but given their lottery-ticket nature, they shouldn’t cost you quality big leaguers.

From the Rays perspective, they didn’t really need Dickerson — and his acquisition likely signals that they’re going to make another move, perhaps trading Desmond Jennings (who also has two years of control remaining) for something with a bit more long-term value — but when presented with the opportunity to turn two years of a reliever into four years of an equally valuable position player, you worry about roster fit later. The Rays had pitching to spare, and while McGee isn’t easily replaced, the ability to add another primed-aged hitter for a short-term reliever was a deal the Rays couldn’t pass up.

For the Rockies, their best hope is that McGee comes back at 100 percent, dominates the first few months of the season, and they can flip him at the trade deadline when prices for relievers are often exorbitant. The idea that they’re likely to contend during the next two years is far-fetched, so the organization really should be building for the future. If McGee stays healthy and Dickerson doesn’t, then this will probably work out just fine for them, but that’s basically the bet they’re making. Things could easily go the other way, with the Rockies flushing a perfectly useful player down the drain for no real reason, and if both players stay healthy, the Rays almost certainly win the deal as well.

But I guess, at this point, weird is what we should expect from Colorado. Ownership appears unwilling to admit their actual standing as a rebuilding team that should be focused on the future, and so instead, they’ve pushed in their chips to try and win 75 games instead of 74. Maybe they’ll catch lightning in a bottle and McGee will help propel them into a Wild Card chase; it’s certainly a possible outcome. But in terms of realistic expectations, the Rockies don’t seem to be good enough to expect to win in the short-term, and deals like this make it less likely that they’ll be good enough to contend in the NL West down the road either. And even if the primary goal was to maximize short-term upside, I’m not entirely sure why they couldn’t have taken the money that Parra and McGee will make between them, given that to a free agent reliever, and just kept Dickerson.

Perpetual mediocrity is one kind of goal, I guess, but I’m not sure why it appears to be the Rockies goal.



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monkeymetcalfe
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monkeymetcalfe
4 months 1 day ago

good god i hate this trade. from a fantasy standpoint, everybody gets worse.

Manny Ramirez
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Manny Ramirez
4 months 1 day ago

I’d respectfully disagree. I think folks are overestimating the impact of leaving Coors. Dickerson is a fine hitter w/ great MiLB record at varying elevations and plenty of room to grow. Still less than 1000 career PAs, and now moving to a team where he can DH from time to time to rest the foot. Full disclosure, I’m a Dickerson keeper owner who tends to be optimistic about these things.

gelezinis vilkas
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gelezinis vilkas
4 months 1 day ago

It’s true, if the plantar fasciitis problem is still persistent—and it often does persist—then playing for an AL team makes sense as he can DH when it flares up. Then again, playing first base isn’t all that hard on the foot so if that’s the Rockies reason for moving him, I can’t see why they couldn’t move him to first.
But I disagree with you that moving from Coors Field to the Trop won’t have an impact on his counting numbers as a hitter. Coors Field is usually associated with HRs but it doesn’t always yield the most homers; it always yields the most runs. They have to move the fences back so far there’s so much more room for other types of hits to fall in. Also hitters at Coors see a lot of fastballs since breaking balls have less break.
Dickerson is indeed a fine hitter and his numbers will still be good, but not quite as good if he stayed at Coors.
And yes, I’m another Dickerson keeper owner.

jfree
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jfree
4 months 1 day ago

The only thing that I’ve seen happen with ex-Rockies batters is that their babips drop by about 15 points and their home/roads compress to ‘normal’. He may lose a couple of HR’s – but he’ll bat higher in the order. The Rays are also very likely to be able to rein back his O-zone swinging a lot (a bad Rockies habit).

And the platoon problem he has with lefties is IMO more an issue of small sample size (6% of lefty PA’s against Kershaw and another 20% against LOOGY’s) and some real trouble recognizing knuckle curves. AL East is a much more favorable division for him than the NL West. The only pitchers who are likely to give him fits are Price, Betances, and Kimbrel.

Shauntell47
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Shauntell47
4 months 19 hours ago

Dickerson has stated that his foot feels great:

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_29130496/rockies-corey-dickerson-relates-peyton-mannings-foot-pain

Regarding his O-zone swinging, this could be explained by the difficulties experienced by Rockie hitters when they play on the road and get to see pitches that actually break.

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Deadheadbrewer
4 months 1 day ago

Dickerson’s career road OPS is .695, with a 5.2% BB, a 25.7% K, and an 89 wRC+.

fredsbank
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fredsbank
4 months 18 hours ago

Jose Fernandez’s road stats are also far worse than his home stats.

Graves
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Graves
4 months 1 day ago

Silly trade for the Rockies. They need to wake up and realize that they need to rebuild instead of continually wallowing in Mediocrity. As a Dodger fan I can’t say I’m overly aggravated though.

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tramps like us
4 months 1 day ago

As a Dodger fan, why aren’t you irked that they didn’t get McGee? Price was not all that high. They’re looking at another season of confusion in the 6th thru 8th innings. McGee would’ve slotten in nicely behind Jansen and possibly even taken over for him in 2017.

Fernando
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Fernando
4 months 1 day ago

You don’t know what the Rays were asking for from LA, though. Sure it would’ve been nice to get him, but without knowing the actual cost it’s tougher to complain.

MonkeyMan
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MonkeyMan
4 months 1 day ago

Maybe their goal is for Buster to not accuse them of tanking.

Todd Doug
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Todd Doug
4 months 1 day ago

At that price, why weren’t more teams interested? Certainly just about every team has a spare reliever and a live A arm to trade for 1.5 WAR outfielder. Right? Am I missing something?

Shauntell47
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Shauntell47
4 months 1 day ago

I think they were looking for a reliever who relied mostly on his fastball because of the effect that Coors has on breaking balls.
McGee fits that bill & there aren’t many relievers like him.

jimithin9
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jimithin9
4 months 1 day ago

But what do the Rockies need a reliever for…

Smurrman
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Smurrman
4 months 1 day ago

So they can tell the fans they tried to be competitive.

Richie
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Richie
4 months 1 day ago

A healthy McGee ain’t no “spare reliever”.

Smurrman
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Smurrman
4 months 1 day ago

He has the same amount of impact as a spare reliever when playing for the Rockies.

Todd Doug
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Todd Doug
4 months 1 day ago

I’ll concede that McGee is very good when healthy, so “spare reliever” was too dismissive. But unless the Rockies have another trade lined up to flip McGee, I find it pretty surprising that more teams weren’t involved, offering a slightly better package than this. I know his splits are bad, but I’d take a flier on him at that price.

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4 months 1 day ago

I don’t think you can look at the moves in isolation. Pretty sure the Rays make a subsequent move to eliminate the OF surplus and perhaps get another bullpen arm. I suspect McGee has TJS in his future as bone spurs usually suggest a UCL issue down the road, and teams know their own players best.

The Rockies likely plan on flipping McGee at the deadline if he can stay healthy. Cost controlled closers have more value than OF’ers in todays market, and worth more at the deadline. They might get a decent prospect or two. Dickersons next 2 years are wasted with the Rockies, and after that he gets expensive and will leave as a FA

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Dooduh
4 months 1 day ago

Problem with the plan to flip McGee during the season is not the risk that he’ll get injured (though that’s real), it’s that pitching in Coors will ruin his value.

They should make an effort to flip him now.

John Galt
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John Galt
4 months 1 day ago

Glad I’m not a Rockies fan. Oh…

Mr. Jones
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4 months 20 hours ago

Who is John Galt?

johnnycuff
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johnnycuff
4 months 20 hours ago

a self centered a-hole who can’t play nice with others

Tom Dooley
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Tom Dooley
4 months 18 hours ago

So edgy.

Shocker Steve
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Shocker Steve
4 months 1 day ago

Are the Rockies challenging The D-Backs for wackiest front office?

LHPSU
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LHPSU
4 months 1 day ago

Rockies, D-Backs, Padres – if not for the Marlins the NL West would have a monopoly on that title.

gelezinis vilkas
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gelezinis vilkas
4 months 1 day ago

Indeed. Is there something in the water in the West?

DD
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DD
4 months 22 hours ago

Yeah – there isn’t any.

stingraypete
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stingraypete
4 months 17 hours ago

They’re wintering in Flint

PandaKOST
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PandaKOST
4 months 15 hours ago

There’s something in the Colorado air. *cough cough

johansantana17
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johansantana17
4 months 19 hours ago

There’s a reason the Rockies have never won the division, the Padres haven’t won the division since 2006, and the Dbacks haven’t won the division since 2011.

david k
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david k
4 months 15 hours ago

In the Dbacks case, given that the Dodgers and giants have quite a bit more to spend than they have, not winning a division in only a 4 year span isn’t really an indictment on the team. However, they are on their 4th GM in just a little more than that time period (counting DiPoto’s interim stint, where they probably made the best deals in that time frame).

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4 months 1 day ago

Sad stuff…and I hate it more when I agree with Cameron….

wily mo
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4 months 1 day ago

one weird trick a tampa bay mom discovered to upgrade her outfield

John Elway
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4 months 1 day ago

Colorado fans HATE it!!!

Richie
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Richie
4 months 1 day ago

I basically agree. But I think Dave and y’all are mildly overstating Dickerson’s value and mildly understating McGee’s. Which, when you factor in Colorado’s probably got to trade for rather than buy pitchers makes this deal 55/45 in favor of Tampa Bay, but no worse than that.

jimithin9
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4 months 1 day ago

You have to take into account control though. I wouldn’t trade Dickerson for McGee with the same control, but its *two* years of McGee for *four* of Dickerson.

chuckb
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chuckb
4 months 1 day ago

So why did they need to trade for a closer with health issues?

Trade Dickerson for a pretty good prospect they could groom and have for 6 years.

MLB Rainmaker
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4 months 15 hours ago

And why trade Dickerson now? He’s coming off a terrible season due to injury, and his value is at its lowest in the last two years.

Whereas CarGo maybe had his best season as a Rockie and certainly won’t see this many plate appearance going forward given his injury history.

Richie
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4 months 1 day ago

As to switching Dickerson to 1st Base, it’s past time y’all got past the idea that 1st Base is so easy that you can just go ahead and switch any non-fat MLB player over as short-term needs require. It’s not, and you don’t. The only time you switch an outfielder over to 1st Base is when he’s still a darn fine hitter but just can’t run anymore. And then you still do it understanding that, even with a whole entire spring training behind him he’ll still initially suck at it, and never advance past mediocre.

Paul Swydan
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4 months 23 hours ago

Corey Dickerson is, by wRC+, the third-best hitter the Rockies have ever developed in their farm system, and dealt with plantar fasciatis twice last year. If he doesn’t fit the bill for “darn fine hitter but just can’t run anymore,” I’m not sure who does.

jimithin9
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jimithin9
4 months 20 hours ago

“CarGo at first base is something we’ve talked about introducing a little bit this spring, but it’s more of a potential longterm outlook,” Weiss explains. “We’re not really looking to circulate him at first base — just starting to introduce it in a practice setting.”

Can’t make this stuff up!

Richie
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Richie
4 months 18 hours ago

So 1st Base is easy on a guy with bad feet?? Which will do wonders for his putting in the work needed to learn the new position. It’s also irrelevant where he historically ranks in whatever farm system.

Sure, Dickerson hits enough to carry 1st Base. But not if he’s lousy at 1st Base, which he will be, initially certainly. So you don’t switch him there rather than trade him for something else valuable.

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Luy
4 months 14 hours ago

But we’re not just talking about 3rd best hitter for ‘generic team’, are we?
We’re talking about a specific team, the Rockies. And if even the most casual of fans knows one thing about the Rockies, it’s: they have had some good hitters. So…contrary to your “gotcha!” comment, I think we can glean some meaning from him being one of the best Rockies homegrown hitters.

wily mo
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4 months 19 hours ago

i don’t think this comment deserves to be downvoted

Richie
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Richie
4 months 18 hours ago

I’ve made enemies. Not by trying, which I guess just means I’m naturally good at it.

Tom Dooley
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Tom Dooley
4 months 18 hours ago

If only there were a way to express this.

wily mo
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4 months 15 hours ago

there is, i just did it. don’t sass me

Slappytheclown
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Slappytheclown
4 months 1 day ago

Well, well have to see but I would also point out that Dickerson hit lefties pretty well in the minors so he’s not necessarily a platoon bat at all. Coors field effect helped his home numbers, but I believe studies have shown it abnormally hurts road numbers but again well see. Maybe Marquez is better than we think, he is only 20. I like this trade for the rays, and I bet the two day delay was due to the fact that probably a 3rd team was involved but they just couldn’t agree on the exact price so I would imagine McGee may be traded again pretty soon if the right offer comes by and certainly from the Rays perspective Jennings is available. If they could dump Loney and at least some of his salary as well it probably wouldn’t cost much to get both. Texas I’m looking at you.

Shauntell47
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Shauntell47
4 months 19 hours ago

I think the 2 day delay came from the Rays hesitating between staying put and going with the roster they had carefully crafted and getting surplus value for McGee which will now force them to reshuffle the roster by likely making more trades.

Avi24
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Avi24
4 months 1 day ago

It’s almost as if they saw Dave’s article and then said: “Well, FG thinks we are dumb. Let’s show them who’s the dumb one now!”

Jason B
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Jason B
3 months 29 days ago

And show us they did!

Jason B
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Jason B
3 months 29 days ago

(not sure why that was said as Yoda. Nevertheless.)

Brent Henry
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Brent Henry
4 months 1 day ago

Maybe the Rockies flip McGee now. The Rays wanted ML talent for him which only a non-contender like the Rockies could offer. Maybe the Rockies get some minor leaguers from a contender now. Although, why not just make a three team trade then… just trying to understand from the Rockies perspective…

E-man
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E-man
4 months 1 day ago

The Rockies appear to have a second division team for 2016, both on the field and especially in the front office. What’s next, is Jose Reyes going to named their community spokesperson?

fredsbank
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fredsbank
4 months 1 day ago

Dave is underselling Dickerson, who is an excellent hitter.

MLB Rainmaker
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4 months 15 hours ago

Agree, there just aren’t many guys with 30HR power and the ability to hit for average.

If you look at last season 30HR/.290AVG this list is Cruz, Harper, Trout, Donaldson, Cespedes, Goldschmidt, and Abreu.

Now Dickerson has never hit 30HR, but given his ISO, over 600AB its fairly likely he would hit 30.

So a guy that could be on that listed traded for an above average reliever? WTF?

WGNstatic
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WGNstatic
4 months 1 day ago

The possibility of flipping McGee seems reasonable at first. But, for Colorado to gamble on a pitcher to come pitch at Coors Field for three months and improve his trade stock seems ludicrous.

Dooduh
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Dooduh
4 months 1 day ago

Yes, made this point above. Makes far more sense to flip him now.

tz
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tz
4 months 1 day ago

I was thinking maybe the White Sox, with some of their pitching depth in the high minors. But that would require at least a Dave Stewart level of common sense.

I wouldn’t be surprised if they went ahead and signed Alfredo Simon to a 6/100 contract at this point.

jfree
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jfree
4 months 1 day ago

The one part of this trade that is totally screwy to me is the Rockies including Kevin Padlo. I don’t get that at all.

drewsylvania
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drewsylvania
4 months 18 hours ago

Seconded. He only put up a .420 wOBA at low-A at age 19. No biggie.

Richie
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4 months 1 day ago

Since it’s mentioned in a number of posts, rather than respond to just one of those I’ll address it here. MLB clubs are now all perfectly aware that Coors does a number on pitchers’ stats. So long as McGee has his velocity, they’ll happily pony up prospect value for him irrespective of what his stats are. So no, it’s not going to hurt his value.

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4 months 1 day ago

There is way too much of a negative outlook on this trade. The Rockies trade a guy that strikes out too much, doesn’t walk enough, hits flyballs, and is a defensive liability going along with his injury history. He has enjoyed an unrealistically high babip, so his average is inflated (I see a sustainable 260-5 hitter). On top of that he can’t hit lefties. He has also been the beneficiary of being a hitter entering his prime with minimal tape on his tendencies. Once teams figure out how to attack his approach, what pitches he can’t lay off, and what combinations he doesn’t handle well, he may turn into just another high strikeout decent power bat with minimal defensive value and injuries always on the horizon.

Rockies got good value since Jake McGee will have a shot at the closer role for this year allowing Weiss and Foster to not rush Ottavino back into immediate over usage. Plus, a good fastball plays no matter the altitude so there is no concerns that might come with a guy that relies on junk with low spin rates. Remember how dominant Rex Brothers was when he could locate his fastball? That is Jake McGee.

McGee will hold value for playoff pushing teams in 2017 even with only half a year on his contract because teams will always put a high value on a lefty reliever with a good fastball that can pitch to righties and lefties.

On the prospect swap, the Rockies won that. The Rockies plan to make Arenado a very rich man as soon as Reyes and/or Cargo are no longer in Colorado, and McMahon is highly valued and getting close to the majors. Third base won’t be open anytime soon, so it makes sense to swap for a pitcher. German Marquez has a lively fastball that has consistently achieved weak contact rates reflected in his low hr/9. He has three usable pitches that keep hitters off balance with good deception. His fastball has life and his curveball plays nicely off of it which allows for some swing and miss, but mostly missing the barrel. He has shown the use of multiple types of curveballs (whether inadvertent or intentional) which also aids the pitch success. Marquez would benefit from better control, but as of now, walks aren’t a big issue. He is not a high strike out guy, but he is able to avoid solid contact consistently. His delivery is controlled, but he could use some polish on his stretch because he pitches rushed which stifles his normal consistency. At 20 years old, he threw 130 innings last year which shows promise of becoming a major league starter with middle of the rotation stuff that projects as a guy that will keep you in every outing. The Rockies need more guys like this that can put together 6 solid combined with the increased value on the bullpen (McGee, Castro, Motte, Qualls on top of Oberg and Ottavino), there is no reason he will not hold good value in 3 or 4 years when he would make his debut.

I see this as a relatively low risk trade because McGee is an early speculative option of being flipped at a deadline which will get us some good value whenever that may be (Thank you Royals). He may make it easier to dump salary on another team, if that is the route we go down. Salary dumping will be necessary to give Arenado a deal he will sign.

The Gerardo Parra signing was great for Colorado since he is very good defensively which is especially important to have in such a spacious outfield as Coors Field. Our pitching will benefit greatly from a solid infield (check, when Reyes is healthy) and a rangey outfield [Blackmon, Parra, Barnes(4th OFer)- check. Cargo at times is great, but he will jog after gappers occasionally yet his arm is fantastic]. It is becoming clear that Bridich is all-in on turning around the pitching staff from the inside out (minors > renting MLB average arms). This takes time, full dedication, and proper scouting. So far, his patience is paying off. If only Reyes didn’t have that DV charge which will make him really hard to move next winter. Anyways, I have assessed each move Bridich has completed coming to the conclusion that he is so much better at this than the “I almost traded for Kinsler in AA” O’Dowd. The same Dan O’Dowd that signed Mike Hampton to 8 years, $121 million. Face palm. Rant over.

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4 months 22 hours ago

As a Rockies fan, I hate this trade. Your analysis is well reasoned though, so I hope that Bridich knows what he is doing, and this is not another Dick Monfort “we’ll be a playoff team this year” kinda guy…

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4 months 18 hours ago

“Our pitching will benefit greatly from a solid infield (check, when Reyes is healthy)”. Reyes is one of the worst defensive shortstops in the league and the infield D will be better without him.

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4 months 14 hours ago

How is this a low risk trade when you’re acquiring a reliever who had 2 surgeries last year and could possibly be due for a second TJ surgery at some point in the not too distant future?
If McGee gets injured again, his value takes a significant hit to the point of him possibly being worthless.
Not so with Dickerson, who is a position player and is under team control for twice as long.

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3 months 29 days ago

Man…I hate people like you. You just throw that unsustainable BABIP crap out there like it’s the gospel. You’re lazy. You can’t stand nuance. You want everything to be so neat and orderly, for everything to always adhere to the norm. WELL GUESS WHAT! EXCEPTIONAL PLAYERS DON’T ADHERE TO THE NORM! AND BY HAVING SOME OF THE HIGHEST FUCKING LINE DRIVE RATES AND HITTING TO ALL FIELDS AND ESPECIALLY HITTING GROUNDERS TO ALL FIELDS (WHICH HELPS HIM BEAT THE SHIFT) AND BY HITTING MORE GROUNDERS THAN FLYBALLS (SERIOUSLY WHERE DID YOU GET THAT SHIT ABOUT DICKERSON HITTING TOO MANY FLYBALLS FROM?) AND BY HITTING THE BALL REALLY FUCKING HARD AND BY POSTING INSANELY HIGH BABIPS IN THE MINORS (CONSISTENTLY), DICKERSON HAS LEGITIMATELY MADE CLAIM TO THE PANTHEON OF BABIP BEASTS. REGARDLESS OF THE COORS FIELD EFFECT. HE’S OUTSIDE THE NORM. GET A FUCKING CLUE.

OH AND DON’T MENTION HIS PRODIGIOUS POWER. DON’T BOTHER. DON’T MAKE MENTION OF IT.

DEFENSIVE LIABILITY? KS TOO MUCH? DOESN’T WALK? YOU’RE EXAGGERATING UP THE YAZOOOOOOO!THE DUDE IS A MONSTER WITH THE BAT. AND HE’S CHEAPLY CONTROLLED FOR FOUR YEARS. ONCE THAT FOOT HEALS HE’LL BE EVEN BETTER. GET A CLUE!

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Dooduh
4 months 20 hours ago

If the Kendrick back to the Dodgers rumor pans out, I could see Kike Hernandez plus Alex Guerrero &/or an arm prospect getting flipped for McGee.

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vivalajeter
4 months 20 hours ago

I do think it’s a bizarre trade for Colorado’s perspective, but just to play devil’s advocate for a minute…

One narrative of the off-season is that outfielders had a softer-than-expected market, while pitchers were getting more than we expected. And when closers were traded, we thought the return was way too much. So from a trade-perspective standpoint, maybe it’s possible that McGee would net a greater return in July.

Also, it’s been evident for a while that Colorado was going to trade one of their outfielders, so they’ve undoubtedly received plenty of offers on all of their available players. Maybe McGee was more than anybody else was willing to trade?

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4 months 19 hours ago

I would love if MLB teams adopted public-company merger standards whereby at the agreement of a trade they scheduled a conference call to outline its merits for their team and then take 30min of q&a from industry analysts. Is there some baseball fan in Congress who can make this into US law?

Richie
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Richie
4 months 18 hours ago

Well, if you got a spare $10-20 mill available for campaign donating, I’m sure you can find one.

jfree
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jfree
4 months 12 hours ago

All the congresscritters have already been bought by MLB and they are bit busy protecting an anti-trust cronyism.

Jason B
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Jason B
3 months 29 days ago

To be fair, I think most congressfolk care little to none about MLB.

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nilbog44
4 months 19 hours ago

The Rays are almost as depressing as the Rockies. It’s funny that people still try to push the “Evan Longoria is a star” narrative. And it’s sad that Wil Myers and desmond Jennings were supposed to be outfield studs for years to come and they just ended up mediocre at best. At least they got something for Myers

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Shauntell47
4 months 18 hours ago

What are you talking about?
They’re in a much better place than the Rockies are.
Unlike the Rockies, they have a chance to contend this year.
Yes, they’re coming off of 2 mediocre seasons (not bad ones), but they’re also playing in one of if not the toughest division.
Who still thinks Longoria is a star? I recently saw someone ask whether he’s still worth his contract.

The Rays aren’t the best at developing hitters, I’ll give you that, hence these pitching for hitters trades.
Still, you can’t say Jennings was a total bust. He put up 3 straight 3 WAR seasons before injuries hit him last year. You can’t complain too much about that. Prospects are never sure things.

mperez
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mperez
4 months 15 hours ago

Dave Cameron…what’s taking you so long to figure out that Dick Monfort and the Colorado Rockies. This trade is EXACTLY what they want to do…to do everything to destroy the Colorado Rockies. The Colorado Rockies are the exact opposite of who the Denver Broncos are and everyone in Denver and Colorado (and surrounding states) know this…so what’s your excuse for so-called being on top of baseball and not knowing this? What kind of idiot are you because clearly you are an idiot who can never say he’s a MLB expert. ANSWER THE QUESTION!

Jason B
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Jason B
4 months 15 hours ago

I’ll have what he’s smoking.

WHY DO BABIES CRAWL WHEN THEY HAVE FUNCTIONING LEGS AND CAN GET UP AND WALK ANY TIME THEY DAMN WELL PLEASE!!1! ANSWER THE QUESTION!

Shauntell47
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Shauntell47
4 months 15 hours ago

Because they want the attention, duh.
Same reason why they mispronounce words on purpose.

wily mo
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4 months 11 hours ago

ok this one deserves to be downvoted

John Galt
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John Galt
3 months 29 days ago

I thought I knew where you were going with this, but I was off. I really thought you’d suggest I google something involving felony fraud.

Radermecher
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Radermecher
4 months 11 hours ago

Dan O”Dowd sang the praises of Dickerson on MLB Tonight.Four yrs of control for and everyday OFer with tremendous upside seems unwise to him.He should know.

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