What Are the Biggest Rivalries in Baseball?

What a tough question. What are the top rivalries in baseball? I’m sure Yankees fans will claim it’s Yanks-Boston, but if you went out on the West Coast, I bet you’d hear plenty of fans saying Giants-Dodgers deserves more consideration. How exactly do you declare one rivalry “bigger” than another? How do you measure fan excitement, and compare one fanbase against another? Is it possible?

Probably not, but regardless, I’m going to take a stab at it anyway. My methodology is very simple: I’m ranking rivalries based on the amount of Google hits returned for the search “(Team name) (Team name) rivalry”.  I freely admit that I’ve stolen this idea from other people, notably Nate Silver who in the past has used Google hits as a proxy for voter awareness of presidential candidates.

Is this method perfect? No, of course not. It enters in certain biases, as the media undoubtedly shapes which rivalries are written about over others, but I think the results are nonetheless fascinating. Take them with a grain of salt if you will, but overall, I’d say these rankings come close to modeling reality.

This first chart ranks the top rivalries in the American League, separated out by division. The AL East is on the left, AL Central in the….center, and AL West on the right.

And now for the National League. Be aware, the Yankees-Red Sox rivalry skewed the scale on the first graph, so the National League chart only goes up to 1,500 hits (not 2,500, like the AL graph).

Wow, East Coast bias much? The AL and NL West both look like they have no big rivalries, with the Giants-Dodgers rivalry being the largest of them. Is this because there are no big rivalries out on the West Coast, or is it simply that the media doesn’t talk about them? West Coast fans, feel free to chime in on this. From all reports, the Giants-Dodgers rivalry is pretty huge — heck, I don’t think any of us need to be reminded of the horrible incident that happened at one of those games earlier this year — but even then, it’s rated as only the fourth-largest rivalry in the National League. Personally, I can’t think of many large rivalries on the West Coast, but that may just be me.

Also, the White Sox and Tigers have a rivalry? I honestly had no idea — is this true?

Cubs-Cardinals is a very well-known rivalry, but I’m still impressed that it managed to beat out the NL East rivalries for the top spot in the National League. It must help that both those teams have such large, passionate fanbases.

For ease of comparison, here’s a summary table of the above charts, listing out the top-12 rivalries in baseball (color-coded by division). I’ve also included the top Interleague play rivalries.

Looking at all this information, it’s pretty easy to determine the important factors necessary for a good rivalry. Be on the East Coast. Be located close in proximity to a fellow team — if you’re both in the same city, all the better. And have some history behind the matchup; the older the clubs, the more established the rivalry.

Also, as a final note, I think it’s more difficult to establish a rivalry in divisions where multiple teams are bouncing in and out of the playoff race on a yearly basis. Take the NL West — how do you establish a rivalry when three different teams have won the division over the last four seasons? Who do you hate? But when your division gets dominated year after year by the same one or two teams, it’s sooo much easier to have strong feelings about your fellow clubs.

Is this an imperfect list? Most certainly, and everyone is going  have different opinions based on where you live. But at the same time, the rankings for the top-four rivalries sure feel right to me.



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Steve is the editor-in-chief of DRaysBay and the keeper of the FanGraphs Library. You can follow him on Twitter at @steveslow.


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Nathan
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Nathan
5 years 1 month ago

Mariners-Padres. Duh.

scout1222
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scout1222
5 years 1 month ago

Nice.

Nate
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Nate
5 years 1 month ago

Hear! Hear!

Cody
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Cody
5 years 1 month ago

This is why the world loves Mariners fans.

Techno_Viking-
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Techno_Viking-
5 years 1 month ago

Haha, yes!

Resolution
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Resolution
5 years 1 month ago

I thought it was Joe West vs. everyone…

Glomp
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Glomp
5 years 1 month ago

The best one-sided rivalry in baseball is the hatred the Nationals have for the Phillies, but there’s no real fuel for a real rivalry since the Phillies are great and the Nationals aren’t. But if Washington gets competitive at the same time as Philadelphia, that’ll be huge.

gu03alum
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gu03alum
5 years 1 month ago

I’m not sure how it can be a rivalry when the Phillies phans outnumber the Nats fans when they play in DC.

gnomez
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gnomez
5 years 1 month ago

You’ve clearly never been to a Cards-Cubs game at Wrigley.

kick me in the GO NATS
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kick me in the GO NATS
5 years 1 month ago

That is a primary reason for the hatred. The phillies offer bus trips and stuff to our stadium and we can’t get tickets.

Jay Gloab
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Jay Gloab
5 years 1 month ago

@GO NATS, that’s absurd. You can buy tickets the same way the Phillies fans do. If they buy them first, you have only yourself to blame.

Will
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Will
5 years 1 month ago

Jay,
You don’t know what you’re talking about. Last season, Phillies fans were offered group packages to attend Nats-Phillies games in DC. Groups get preference to individuals, naturally, since it means they can sell more tickets. However, this gave Phillies fans preference over individual Nationals fans (aside from season ticket holders). For transportation logistics, it makes little sense for Nats fans to organize into groups to buy tickets, but it makes a lot of sense for Philly fans to do so. In the end, the rule ensured that Phillies fans bought up the best seats before many Nats fans had an opportunity to buy tickets.

Read more about it here: http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/big_league_stew/post/The-Phillies-fan-invasion-was-orchestrated-by-th?urn=mlb-232653

kick me in the GO NATS
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kick me in the GO NATS
5 years 1 month ago

No joke I must agree. I hate the Phillies and may till death!! The problem with building more of a rivalry is the Phillies are clearly on the decline and the Nats are on the rise. When we win the series in 2013 the Phillies wont be able to win 75 games.

B
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B
5 years 1 month ago

solid trolling

nats won’t be competitive until 2015 at the earliest.

Sox2727
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Sox2727
5 years 1 month ago

I will always rank White Sox vs. Twins as the most important rivalry in my world. These two teams have essentially been the top 2 teams in the AL Central for the past decade. So I’m relatively surprised the White Sox vs Tigers ranked higher. I think since Detroit became relevant again in 2006 it’s become a bit of a rivalry. I see plenty of Tigers fans making the trip down to Chicago whenever there’s a weekend series, but I’m still surprised it ranked higher than White Sox vs. Twins.

James
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James
5 years 1 month ago

White Sox and Tigers had some epic brawls a few years back – that was my first thought when I saw the results.

scottz
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scottz
5 years 1 month ago

As a Twins fan, I agree completely, and I was surprised to see Twins-Tigers rank above Twins-White Sox as well, though I suppose the epic game 163 of a couple of years ago maybe added some hits there. But from observational evidence, Twins fans get their undies in a bunch about the White Sox much more than about the Tigers.

Perhaps we could find some data on undie bunching and use it to validate or dispute this study.

Bryz
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5 years 1 month ago

“But from observational evidence, Twins fans get their undies in a bunch about the White Sox much more than about the Tigers.”

Well, until the fans hear “Don’t Stop Believin'” at the ballpark.

“Just a city boy, born and raised in south De-” BOOOOOOOO!!!!!

Sox05rock
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Sox05rock
2 years 1 month ago

As a Sox fan, let me tell you, our biggest rival (though in the 2000’s Sox and Twins was a fantastic rivalry, and they are a very close #2) is the Tigers, the old Chicago-Detroit rivalry in general gets drawn into mind here as well, I dislike the Twins, I hate the Tigers, I mean ever the thousands of fans chant “DETROIT SUCKS” at the Cell, it’s awesome

Sox05rock
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2 years 1 month ago

And if they could, we should be able to the list the White Sox, Tigers, and Twins as a 3-way rivalry, need I remind you guys of 2006 and the fact those 3 are the only ones to to the win the division in 10 years

Sox05rock
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Sox05rock
1 year 11 months ago

I actually would like to recant my earlier statement, although I hate the Tigers, I must say the the Sox-Twins has the been the best back and forth rivalry in the AL Central

MikeS
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MikeS
5 years 1 month ago

Most Sox fans would probably say they would most like to beat the Twins.

My echo and bunnymen
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My echo and bunnymen
5 years 1 month ago

No, I am as close to hatred as can possibly be (for me that is) for the Tigers.

Otter
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Otter
5 years 1 month ago

Part of that may be the huge number of people who grew up in Michigan and moved to Chicago after graduating from MSU, Michigan, etc. IIRC Chicago has more Michigan alums than any other city.

But in general… yes Sox/Twins is much bigger than Sox/Tigers.

Cubs/Sox, for my money, is the #1 in all of baseball because it’s not actually about baseball.

wahbjo01
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wahbjo01
5 years 1 month ago

Yankees v Twins isn’t a rivalry.

Bryz
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5 years 1 month ago

Not a rivalry, but it’s been pissing us Twins fans off for the past few years now.

John R.
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John R.
5 years 1 month ago

In the words of Alec Baldwin, “A lawnmower does not have a rivalry with grass.”

Ethan
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Ethan
5 years 1 month ago

No Cards/Reds?

vivaelpujols
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5 years 1 month ago

Hah.

mettle
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mettle
5 years 1 month ago

Dude — look at the first few hits you get when you type in: braves phillies rivalry.
The first is a link for a wiki entry on the METS phillies rivalry and the second is a wiki entry on the braves METS rivalry.
Also, I got 921,000 hits, not 1mil+ so whatever you’re doing is not replicable.

The methodology is broken to the point where the results are meaningless.

Magster
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5 years 1 month ago

It would be interesting to see these results as a % of total population in the participant metros, to measure the true relative passion of the fan bases. The aggregate measure is probably the best expression of “biggest” rivalry, but adjusting for population could be interesting too.

jlive
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5 years 1 month ago

Here are some back of the envelope calculations (since I had exactly your question when I read the article):

Take the raw counts (eyeballed from the graph) and dividing by the metro statistical areas from the 2000 census (http://www.census.gov/population/www/cen2000/briefs/phc-t29/index.html), I get the following numbers:

Cards-Cubs = 1.1e-4
Braves-Phils = 1.03e-4
Yanks-Sox = 1.0e-4
Yanks-Mets = 8.3e-5

I didn’t check any of the others.

Magster
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Magster
5 years 1 month ago

Cool, thanks for doing that. I suspected it would elevate Cubs-Cards.

Andrew
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Andrew
5 years 1 month ago

I’d say most Tigers fans view the Twins as their biggest rival, but we all hate the White Sox with a burning passion. I was even turned down for a beer at a game in Chicago because I had my Tigers hat on. Screw those guys, Hawk, and those stupid fireworks as if hitting a rome run there is difficult and special.

Sorry…. Carry on.

Andrew
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Andrew
5 years 1 month ago

Oh… and it’s more because there’s always a Detroit/Chicago rivalry, regardless of sport.

brett
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brett
5 years 1 month ago

Exactly right. As a Tigers fan my hatred for the White Sox is fueled by Hawk Harrelson but I’d call it a legitimate rivalry either way.

The situation with the Twins is different. They’ve been the Tigers’ biggest competition in recent years but if not for their outrageous string of good breaks (that finally seems to have ended this year) I’d generally wish them success.

jw
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jw
5 years 1 month ago

I miss the Toronto/Detroit rivalry.

Ian
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Ian
5 years 1 month ago

Toronto-Detroit was a fantastic rivalry for decades…Selig is the devil for taking that from us.

Kevin
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Kevin
5 years 1 month ago

I really like Cards-Reds these days. I also prefer Rays-Red Sox over Yankees-Red Sox.

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Yirmiyahu
5 years 1 month ago

Rays/Sox is fun. The players/managers/mascots seem to get into it.

It’s just too bad Tampa doesn’t have fans.

gu03alum
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gu03alum
5 years 1 month ago

As an M’s fan I really hate Oakland and California Anahiem of Los Angeles.

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bkluender
5 years 1 month ago

As an NL West guy, it will always be SF/LA. I am a Rockies fan and I think there is currently a growing rivalry with the Giants. You can see it in the stands, and hear it from the broadcasters for both teams. Having a 2 time Cy Young winner and a Hall Of Fame announcer question the validity of the baseballs being used at Coors Field gives me the feeling that they’re taking these games against the Rockies seriously. Also Rockies games versus the Giants have a very “Playoff feeling” to them, even in May and June. It would be great to see what it would be like if we met the Giants in the playoffs.

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5 years 1 month ago

Can you imagine if the Posey incident had occurred in a Rockies/Giants game?

That said I think the best rivalries are regional in addition to being divisional. BSN/NY, LA/SF, and STL/CHI are all sibling rivalries on some level, with the cities identity tied into the teams success.

Denver has no natural rival currently although Salt Lake City, Boise, and Albuquerque could be there in the next 20 years

steex
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steex
5 years 1 month ago

I agree with your regional rivalry point. Many St. Louis natives have a severe Chicago complex that is completely unrelated to sport and mostly one-way – the average Chicagoan doesn’t care about St. Louis. Many folks from STL, though, are keen to compare the Arch to the Sears/Willis Tower, the museums, the zoos, the river vs. the lake, etc.

As someone originally from Chicagoland who has been relocated into metro-St. Louis for the last 10 years, I routinely meet people who can’t even stand that I’m a White Sox fan because they hate Chicago so much. I find it funny since most people outside Chicago could not care less about the White Sox (other than some people in other KC/MSP/Det/Cle), and there’s certainly no reason for Cardinal fans to stress about it!

Antonio Bananas
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Antonio Bananas
5 years 1 month ago

I agre with Steex. I haven’t lived in chicagoland, but I’ve been there and have friends living there. In Missouri, where I’ve lived all my life, people hate the Cubs. I’ll ask them why, they say “BECAUSE THEY’RE THE CUBS!!!!” Which I don’t get. There is no actual reason other than, as you said, maybe some sort of complex. Maybe it’s the smaller city vs bigger city. I have no idea. Most cubs fans I know say “yea I don’t like the Cards because I’m not supposed to or something.” They don’t take it anywhere near as personal as Cards fans.

Even the commentators are different. Local Cards commentators have said that they like STLs young players more than chicago’s because they have “more experience”. There is an insane level of bias that I don’t get with Chicago (Cubs) broadcasters. Now that hack Hawk Harrelson…

steex
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steex
5 years 1 month ago

“Now that hack Hawk Harrelson…”

As a White Sox fan, I apologize.

I’d give a more lengthy apology, but it’s quittin’ time. ME GONE!!!

Antonio Bananas
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Antonio Bananas
5 years 1 month ago

Honestly Steex I like the White Sox as a team. However, Hawk makes me wish they lose and lose badly every single game. When the Sox are winning he’s unbearable, when they’re losing he bitches or, best possible scenario, shuts up for a while. Hawk is the sole reason I wish for the Sox to lose 25-0 every game. If you got rid of Hawk, I’d like the Sox. I like Dunn, Buerhle, etc.

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eastsider
5 years 1 month ago

I guess making claims like that is the only upside of Ron Santo passing…

Antonio Bananas said:
Local Cards commentators have said that they like STLs young players more than chicago’s because they have “more experience”. There is an insane level of bias that I don’t get with Chicago (Cubs) broadcasters

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cpebbles
5 years 1 month ago

I have actually witnessed two WGN broadcasters losing their voices from literally crying about the Cubs losing. Steve Stone pointing out towards the end of his tenure how much the Cubs suck does not mean that Cubs announcers have not been among the biggest homers on TV.

Cardinals fans don’t hate the Cubs, they just enjoy picking on them.

steex
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steex
5 years 1 month ago

“However, Hawk makes me wish they lose and lose badly every single game.”

Don’t worry, most of us understand how bad he is, too. I’d just prefer Steve Stone was in the booth by himself – though I don’t get many Sox games down in STL anyhow.

Evan
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Evan
5 years 1 month ago

@Antonio Bananas:
I actually believe that was Joe Buck and Tim McCarver on the Cubs-Cardinals FOX broadcast. I don’t think you can say they count as “local”, but I personally think they’re terrible announcers anyway. They were probably referencing the winning atmosphere at Memphis or frequent cups of coffee or something.

Chris Magyar
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Chris Magyar
5 years 1 month ago

As a fellow Rockies fan, I remember the glimmers of a good rivalry brewing between Colorado and Arizona, particularly after a Spring Training incident that featured some bizarre spying allegations early in the D’Backs history, but that died for some reason in the media, and now only exists in my head.

Giants/Dodgers is very real. Some of the nastiest things I’ve ever heard at a ball game have been in SF during the Bonds era when the Dodgers came to town and brought their fans in with them.

Rockies/Padres seemed like it could have become something after that 2007 stretch run, but the Padres have been shadows ever since.

airfigaro
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airfigaro
5 years 1 month ago

I lived in AZ during the 2007 NLCS, and thought a rivalry might develop, but it didn’t.

Adam
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Adam
5 years 1 month ago

Yeah. I’m a long-time Giants fan, and I can testify that hate the Rockies more than any other team in the majors.

I hate em more than the Angels. I hate em more than the Yankees. I hate em more than the D’Bags. And yes I hate em more than the Dodgers.

I did not grow up in NYC in the forties. I am a Giants fan now. The Rox are the team that I hate. When the Bums plan the Rox, I want the Bums to win.

I hate Helton for his snarky comments about San Francisco city and San Francisco fans. I hate Tulo for saying that he refuses to sign autographs for any non-child wearing Giants gear.

I hate them for rolling over and playing b*tch all those years we needed them to just win one game.

And, more than anything, I hate how, with the installation of the humidor, their yearly home-field advantage (home win % – road win %) shot up (from ridiculous, to uber-ridiculous). So of course did the yearly [[Rox runs scored per game at home] divided by [Rox runs scored per game at road]] divided by [[Opponents runs scored per game at home] divided by [Opponents runs scored per game at road]]. Even if it didn’t subjectively seem like visitors to Coors have, post-humidor, been playing normal baseball while the Rox are still scoring like it’s beer-league softball, the numbers are a clear smoking gun.

Bigmouth
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5 years 1 month ago

Wait, you hate the Rockies more than the freakin’ Dodgers?!

You say you didn’t grow up in NYC, but you sure don’t sound like someone familiar with SF. There is nothing — NOTHING — Bay Area fans hate more than LA.

It’s not just a Giants/Dodgers thing — Dubs fans hate the Lakers with a passion, too. And when the Rams played in LA, Niners fans hated them, too.

Antonio Bananas
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Antonio Bananas
5 years 1 month ago

Yankees/Sox doesn’t feel real to me, it feels manufactured. Every single game is on ESPN or FOX or some channel, ESPN spends half the show talking about it. I don’t feel a hatred there. Reds/Cards I feel.

I guess in a historical sense you’d say Yanks/Sox, but right now I think Cards/Reds is the most heated and it’s between two very even teams in the same division. The managers don’t even like each other.

The single most overrated rivalry is Cubs/Cards. Seriously, what the hell has that rivalry ever produced other than “this is a rivalry?” Even Cards fans can’t tell me why it’s a rivalry, they just say “o I hate the Cubs”. The rivalry started, I’m pretty sure, in like 1880 and hasn’t had much steam since the Cubs last won a WS. Games against each other rarely mean anything and I can’t think of a single memorable playoff against each other. I can’t remember them ever having a fight on the field either. I’m sure it’s happened, but it doesn’t stick out in my mind at all.

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5 years 1 month ago

according to espn, the red sox-yankees rivalry has produced more hit batters in the past decade than any pair of teams in any ten year period since 1915, which is somewhat arbitrary but given that the espn broadcast team mentioned it 71234234989 times during the series, i figured it mus be important.

on a more serious but still not serious note, it isn’t like espn shows these games because they arbitrarily decided they wanted the east coast to be important–there are just more fans of both teams who are interested across the country than there will be for any other matchup. at least in terms of sheer numbers, its pretty clearly the “biggest” rivalry by size of fanbase, which is clearly correlated with having more coverage. the article was about the “biggest” rivalry, and obviously if it was about the “most johnny cueto double kicks to the chest” rivalry it’d be a different story.

Antonio Bananas
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Antonio Bananas
5 years 1 month ago

The Yankees/Red Sox over saturation is like the chicken and egg. Personally I think that over time it’s incredibly unhealthy to only really promote 2 teams. Sure you can say “well that’s what people want” but “people want” that because that’s all that’s shown. Maybe if there are other teams shown, over time there would be more interest in other teams. Which would theoretically lead to a World Series matchup not involving the yanks or sox actually outdrawing an NFL regular season game.

Andrew
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Andrew
5 years 1 month ago

I agree. Yankees/Sox is tired.

Brandon
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Brandon
5 years 1 month ago

I love baseball as much as anyone but I will not watch Yankees/Sox. The way it is forced on Joe Viewer makes it unwatchable. Look at the perpetuating ESPN (speaking of unwatchable) does with a story about hit batsman juan pierre’s mustache talks about. Do we really need the other 28 teams?
Thankfully, I didn’t watch that game as I have vowed not to because I would have had a stroke, heart attack and aneurysm all at once upon hearing that one.
ESPN is garbage because of this type of coverage.

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5 years 1 month ago

I understand the backlash against ESPN and their seemingly endless coverage of Yankees-Red Sox, but among fans, especially longtime fans, the rivalry is quite real, quite visceral and quite strong.

I am a Yankee fan from Sheepshead Bay who has been watching these games for 50 years, and losses to the Red Sox are by far the most bitter losses to take. Looking back, I would say that Red Sox fans drove the escalation for the most part, most likely out of frustration with their championship drought and perceived suffering at the hands of the Yankees. The Bucky Dent game in 1978 clearly haunted Red Sox fans, and the “Yankees suck” chants that were common in the ’90s and after, in routine games in the middle of summer against non-division opponents, are a good example of a certain level of obsession with that other team. T-shirts outside Fenway were another entertaining indicator, which included one of my favorites in the early ’00s, which threw off all pretense of creative wordplay and simply said “Jeter Has AIDS”. Yankee fans, of course, have been happy to get down in the muck as well and certainly contributed to the hate that developed.

Until 2004, it had gotten to a point where anyone walking along Lansdowne St in Yankee gear was certain to get hassled or physically threatened by at least one drunk and/or angry thug. It has cooled since then, I think partially because the championships have lessened the feelings of inferiority among Red Sox fans, partially because many of the more passionate middle and working class fans have been priced out of both Fenway and Yankee Stadium and partially because the current teams are predominantly made up of players who recently joined them (of course with a few long-time players being exceptions).

In any event, for you younger folks or those who are not from NY/NJ/CT/MA/RI, you can trust that it is a very real rivalry that did not require a cable network to start or escalate. Given how weary many baseball fans are of Yankees-Red Sox coverage, I wish ESPN would back off a little bit and let the rivalry evolve more organically, but overexposure until saturation seems to be the current preferred media model.

TomG
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5 years 1 month ago

If you’re to believe some historians, the New York/Boston is a cultural rivalry that predates baseball and goes back to a predominantly blue-collar New York versus an aristocratic/educated Boston.

Antonio Bananas
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Antonio Bananas
5 years 1 month ago

I think another reason there isn’t a much fan hatred in the Yanks/Sox rivalry is because Sox fans are essentially Yankee fans from 10 years ago. The Sox used to be the team Bostonians liked and the occasionally underdog fan. However, since the Sox won the title a few times I’ve seen more douche bag bandwagon jumpers with Sox hats than ever before. Like I said, they’re basically the same type of person as Yankee fans.

Adam
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Adam
5 years 1 month ago

The Red Sox and Yankees have some sort of … rivalry? Why have I never heard about this before?

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5 years 1 month ago

There seem to be two possible solutions to the ongoing Yankees-Red Sox rivalry hyperbolic nonsense, of which ESPN is, in my view, 100% to blame:

1) Create a separate ESPN network that covers only the Yankees and the Red Sox. Whatever segment of the population is only interested, or is primarily interested, in the Yankees, the Red Sox, and “the Yankees-Red Sox rivalry” can watch this network. Alternatively, ESPN can provide general baseball coverage on its flagship channel and provide the Yankees-Red Sox coverage on ESPN2. In either scenario, ESPN continues to cover the Yankees and the Red Sox but instead gives the two teams, and particularly any games between the two teams, an APPROPRIATE amount of coverage.

2) Spin the Yankees and the Red Sox off into their own separate league so they can play each other 162 games per year (regular season) and then again during their own World Series. Based on the amount of coverage received by this rivalry by ESPN, this actually appears to be the prudent decision for these two franchises to make, and the basis for a sustainable business model. These two teams are leaving money on the table by playing anybody but each other, right?

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Sox2727
5 years 1 month ago

I used to love Yankees/Red Sox games on tv. Then came the winter of 2003, when the Red Sox traded for Schilling. ESPN put the whole promotional machine behind this, I mean a Sportscenter Special for the first spring training game, are you kidding me? One time, just one time when these teams play on a weekend can it not be the game of the week?

Sox2727
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Sox2727
5 years 1 month ago

I also find it kind of funny how ESPN created ESPN New York.com and ESPN Boston.com, I mean I thought they already had that concept when they created…ESPN.

Annie
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Annie
5 years 1 month ago

Aw, nothing about how much we Pirates fans hate the Brewers? I guess that falls into the “US doesn’t have a rivalry with Costa Rica” category…

Breadbaker
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Breadbaker
5 years 1 month ago

More like “Liberia doesn’t have a rivalry with New Zealand.”

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5 years 1 month ago

As a white sox fan, I’d say Sox-Cubs and Sox-Twins are WAY bigger than Sox-Tigers simply because the Sox and Twins been the top two teams in the AL Central for the last 10 years or so, with a few exceptions. Ads during Sox TV and radio broadcasts promote multi-game ticket plans that include “games against the Cubs, Yankees, Red Sox and Twins”, even after the Twins’ descent into irrelevance this year. The Tigers are not mentioned. If the Twins can’t bounce back in the next few years, then Sox-Tigers might become a thing, but at the moment it’s nothing compared to rivalries against the Twins or Cubs.

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GoGiants
5 years 1 month ago

All i think that this study proves is the east coast media bias. As you stated, this truly can’t be measured.

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JohnnyComeLately
5 years 1 month ago

I think it’s interesting, reading through the comments, that both the Tigers and White Sox fans claim rivalries with the Twins, using the exact same argument of “it’s been our team and the Twins that have been at the top of the AL Central”, but they don’t claim rivalries with each other, even though the same reasoning should hold.

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juan pierre's mustache
5 years 1 month ago

shhhh don’t tell them

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oneblankspace
5 years 1 month ago

I suspect the ChiSox may have been playing the Tigers when the data were compiled. Also, keep in mind which cities have their own ESPN affiliate websites and how many daily papers and other news outlets each area has.

In my experience, many Cu** fans have no respect for Sox fans or Cardinal fans. Why are the Cu** so popular? Because they were in the pennant race one year in the 1960s, after several years of the Sox being perpetually in the race. TV deals also had some effect.

Geographically, the Cu** have the North Side, North & Northwest suburbs, and northern Illinois. The Sox have the South Side and South & Southwest suburbs. Downstate Illinois is a battle ground between Cu** and Cardinals, although Thome took a piece of Peoria for the Sox when he played at 35th & Shields. For a while, the Cu** had a radio affiliate on the Illinois side of the St Louis Metro area.

When longtime Cu** and Cardinals broadcaster Harry Caray died, it made the front page of the StL Post-Dispatch.

And the White Sox were calling themselves “the Sox” with no color specified before Boston was even the Red Sox.

macseries
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macseries
5 years 1 month ago

Yeah, I hate copper too. Always turnin’ stuff green.

Sox2727
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Sox2727
5 years 1 month ago

I don’t know how a Tigers fan can say it’s been their team against the Twins battling for the division title for a long period of time. The Tigers finally produced a winning season for the first time in over a decade in 2006. Only twice have they “battled” the Twins for a division title in ’06 and ’09, both times the Tigers choked the last week of the season.

ObsidianXIII
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5 years 1 month ago

As a White Sox fan, I place my rivalries in this order: Twins, Tigers, Cubs.

Cubs rank lowest because we only play ’em 6 times a year, as opposed to 18 for the other two.

Matt
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5 years 1 month ago

“Is this method perfect? No, of course not. It enters in certain biases, as the media undoubtedly shapes which rivalries are written about over others”

While it’s an interesting and fun article, you point out how meaningless it is right there. This isn’t judging how big rivalries are, this is judging how big the media thinks rivalries are, and there’s a huge snowball effect. Is the Yanks/RSox rivalry really more than twice as big as every other rivalry except Cubs?Cards? Of course not, it’s just shoved down the throats of baseball fans more than anything.

Furthermore, in a rivalry like SF/LA, with LA not being good, and having the whole McCourt situation, the media attention isn’t on the rivalry, so they aren’t going to write about it, doesn’t mean it isn’t there.

JoeyT
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JoeyT
5 years 1 month ago

Braves-Red Sox scored higher than Braves-Mets. Some of these hits probably have to do with the scheduled “rivalry” interleague series. The Braves are not rivals with the Red Sox except when MLB defines them as such.

Antonio Bananas
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Antonio Bananas
5 years 1 month ago

not only that but you have to factor in the size of the markets and the amount of manufacturing MLB and ESPN has done to ensure there are more Sox and Yanks fans. If the Yankees get more hits than the Brewers does that mean the Yankees have some sort of magical drawing power? No, it means the yankee’s market is like 10 times the size of the Brewers. So many variables.

philkid3
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5 years 1 month ago

If it’s interesting and fun, how is it meaningless?

matt
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matt
5 years 1 month ago

Ah, the great existential question.

jorgath
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jorgath
5 years 1 month ago

The exercise isn’t. The data probably is.

DrTrix
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DrTrix
5 years 1 month ago

I’m surprised Angels-Red Sox are not on here at all. They go back pretty far and have had some fantastic playoff series going back to 86.

Antonio Bananas
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Antonio Bananas
5 years 1 month ago

If you want to expand it, I think you have “east coast elitists” vs everyone else as probably the biggest rivalry as far as fans go. You’re either a Sox/Yankee fan or you hate both of them. The Phillies and their obnoxious fans are starting to get to Yankee/Sox level.

I used to manage a little place in the food court of a local mall so I talked to probably 150-200 people a day. Anytime I would talk baseball with someone the conversation would end with, if we had different favorite teams “well at least your not a yankees fan” or “at least your not a Red Sox fan”.

kick me in the GO NATS
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kick me in the GO NATS
5 years 1 month ago

I soooo agree with you!!!

My echo and bunnymen
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My echo and bunnymen
5 years 1 month ago

*edit

The Phillies and their obnoxious fans are Yankee/Sox level.

jorgath
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5 years 1 month ago

Yes, but by and large fans of non-Yankees-non-Sox AL teams don’t hate the Phillies (don’t care), whereas fans of non-Phillies NL teams do hate the Yankees and the Sox.

In my experience, anyways.

(Nats fan here. Screw all of the above).

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5 years 1 month ago

This looks a little fishy to me (not that the stats are fishy, but the rivalries seem incorrect). As a Phillies fan, I can firmly say that although the Braves have been much more competitive with us over the past few years, our strongest rivalry is actually with the Marlins. Ever since Scott Olsen said he hated us, Phillies fans have really disliked the Marlins, and it seems that the teams don’t care much for each other either. They’ve also played us incredibly tough over the past few seasons. To be honest, I think we have a stronger rivalry with the Mets than with the Braves as well, simply because of the incredible series we had with each other in 2007-08. And to the point of Glomp, I had no idea Nats fans didn’t like us. I love the Nats, man – 15 easy wins a year.

Looking around the list, I’m stunned the the Cards-Cubs did better than the Reds-Cards in the NL Central because of what has happened recently between the two teams. Though the Cubs-Cards is more historic, the Reds and Cards quite obviously hate each other a lot more right now than the Cubs and Cards.

There is no such thing as a Yankees-Twins rivalry. The AL West doesn’t seem to have any real ones either.

As for Yankees-Red Sox? Let’s just move on. When a bat flip from David Ortiz is needed to make people think there is still a rivalry there, it’s dead.

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Baker Bowl
5 years 1 month ago

Teal Bastards!

kick me in the GO NATS
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kick me in the GO NATS
5 years 1 month ago

But we Nats fans really hate you!! You invade our stadium and act like total jerks!

jorgath
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jorgath
5 years 1 month ago

Plus, Jayson Werth hates the Phillies the way we do!

So there, hate us Nats back now please! We’d really like a real rivalry, and Baltimore don’t count. We don’t play ’em enough.

Jay Gloab
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Jay Gloab
5 years 1 month ago

I hated the hell of the Marlins in 2003-04, but not so much in recent years.

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ulysses
5 years 1 month ago

the mets phillies rivalry is bigger in philly than it is in new york. philly as a city loathes new york. new york has other people to worry about such as the loud yankees fans. part of me as a mets fan wishes the braves fan base actually existed. The rivalry the mets and braves have is a lot stronger than the phillies braves rivalry. Its just that there are no braves fans near us to argue with. the phillies mets rivalry really springs from other sports.

Eric
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Eric
5 years 1 month ago

Marlins – Giants

howtheyscored
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5 years 1 month ago

fuck the Marlins. they exist for the sole purpose of screwing over the Giants.

1997 playoffs, 2003 playoffs, Posey… that’s all I got off the top of my head.

Adam
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Adam
5 years 1 month ago

They also sent us Livan

howtheyscored
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5 years 1 month ago

FYI google hits are determined by your location. so if you’re on the east coast, you’re going to get more hits on red sox/yanks than say Giants/Bums.

Your entire argument is based on a poor baseline.

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Steroid Shuffle
5 years 1 month ago

Are you sure? I happen to live in Salt Lake City, and I tried searching both west coast teams and east coast teams and got the same exact results as the author. Unless the author lives in the same place as I do (highly doubtful), your theory seems incorrect.

That being said, search terms make a huge difference:

“New York Yankees Boston Red Sox Rivalry” brings up 2.19 million hits
“San Francisco Giants Los Angeles Dodgers Rivalry” gets 0.82 million hits
vs.
“Yankees Red Sox Rivalry” brings up 1.98 million hits
“Giants Dodgers Rivalry” brings up 1.14 million hits

Interesting article, but not the results I expected to see.

Travis
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5 years 1 month ago

I live in SF and got the same results as you. I changed it up after.

“giants+dodgers+rivalry”: 81,600 hits
“yankees+red+sox+rivalry”: 83,400 hits
“cubs+cards+rivalry” or ‘cubs+cardinals’: about 13k each

jts5
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jts5
5 years 1 month ago

as a mets fan born in 1995 and really starting to follow baseball in the mid-2000s, there is no one I could possibly hate more than those damn Philadelphia Phillies

Antonio Bananas
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Antonio Bananas
5 years 1 month ago

It’s a shame you weren’t able to comprehend what was going on in the late 90s. As a Braves fan those Mets/Braves games in 99/00 were awesome. Chipper naming his kid Shea because of how well he hits there, the “LA-RRY LA-RRY” chants. Awesome.

I’m like a fanhood generation ahead of you. born in 1989, became a fan in 1995.

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5 years 1 month ago
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5 years 1 month ago

As a Halos fan, I can confirm that there are no rivalries WITHIN the AL West.

The Angels have bigger rivalries with (in this order):
1. Dodgers
2. Red Sox (one way rivalry, we hate them, they don’t give a darn about us)
3. Yankees

As for my own personal list, I rank the Red Sox higher only because of the tough playoff losses in 1986, 2004 and 2007.

Peace.

Adam
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Adam
5 years 1 month ago

It’s my observation that a lot of folks in Oakland have a negative thing about your boys. (as, for that matter, do Giants fans – 2002 WS)

Zonis
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Zonis
5 years 1 month ago

Yeah, the A’s vs Angels rivalry should be on there, but its not for some reason.

hawkhandler
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hawkhandler
5 years 1 month ago

the bias is always in favor of the west coast for anything and everything in baseball. the dodgers/giants rivalry is huge. way bigger than any of these others except yanks/sawx. it goes back to before most of these teams even existed. i blame society…and the media.

hawkhandler
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hawkhandler
5 years 1 month ago

hahaha that is to say “in favor of the east coast” whoops

Ben Hall
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Ben Hall
5 years 1 month ago

Red Sox-Braves is not a rivalry.

Jake R.
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5 years 1 month ago

Agreed. The fact that it is an official “rivalry” is a joke. The only connection between these two teams, other than the recent fabricated one at the hands of MLB, is that 100 years ago, they played in the same city. If anything, as a Red Sox fan, I’m actually more inclined to like the Braves as a result of this distant connection.

Speaking a bit further on the Red Sox front, the Red Sox/Yankees rivalry is absolutely real. I think both the teams and the fans are somewhat exhausted from the media saturation of the rivalry and that, along with recent Red Sox success, has somewhat diluted the emotional importance of these games. But, the rivalry is still well above and beyond anything else in the sport. It amazes me that there are people who don’t realize this.

I’d also agree with those who peg the Red Sox and Angels as a very real rivalry. It’s not on the order of the biggest divisional rivalries, but is certainly more of a rivalry than the Twins and Yankees. The Boston-LA rivalry from basketball has helped to bleed over and make this rivalry more significant than it should be from a strictly baseball perspective. The Angels and the Yankees are the only two teams I actively root against outside of a playoff race.

Cidron
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Cidron
5 years 1 month ago

easy, and yet.. but its the NL Central
Reds-Cubs
Cubs-Brewers
Cardinals-Cubs
Reds-Cardinals
Brewers-Cardinals
Reds-Brewers

Any pairing will do nicely. Great rivalry division.

Travis
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5 years 1 month ago

Every combination of the top 4 teams in the division. Must be refreshing to to see some non-rivalry games.

Dave in GB
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Dave in GB
5 years 1 month ago

on a micro-standpoint…

Peter Angelos – Oriole fans

kick me in the GO NATS
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kick me in the GO NATS
5 years 1 month ago

LOL, that is true I lived in MD for years.

jorgath
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jorgath
5 years 1 month ago

Truth.

astrostl
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astrostl
5 years 1 month ago

Cards / Reds >>> Cards / Cubs, IMO.

Candlestick Parker
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Candlestick Parker
5 years 1 month ago

The only enduring rivalries in MLB are Giants-Dodgers, Red Sox-Yankkes, and I suppose Cards-Cubs.

Everything else depends on two teams being very good at the same time for a stretch of 5 years or so. When that changes, the rivalry dies. Dodgers-Reds was the best rivalry in MLB in the 70s, with Phillies-Pirates, and A’s-Royals not far behind. None of those mean anything now.

Dave M
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Dave M
5 years 1 month ago

I’m really surprised that Dodgers-Giants isn’t higher. Seriously, these teams were rivals when both were in New York, then they both move to California, and the rivalry gets even bigger!

atomsareenough
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atomsareenough
5 years 1 month ago

It may be surprising that it’s not higher in the search results, but the rivalry is very, very real and is a big deal. It’s definitely in the same ballpark as Yankees-Red Sox.

Ryan
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Ryan
5 years 1 month ago

Red Sox Angels rivalry returned 1,890,000 google results. Why wasn’t this one included?

J.M.
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J.M.
5 years 1 month ago

yeah, and why isn’t giants yankees listed? this is a ridiculous exercise.

also big: san francisco 49ers philadelphia 76ers rivalry. whoo.

Evan
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Evan
5 years 1 month ago

Weird that “boston red sox los angeles angel rivalry” turns up 1.68 million results, but “boston red sox los angeles angels rivalry” only gets 698,000.

Jvoxx
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Jvoxx
5 years 1 month ago

Despite the ‘popularity’ aspect, I think Giants/Dodgers might be the strongest rivalry, in terms to the opposing fans loathing each other. And I’d have said that before the unfortunate incident this season.

TK
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TK
5 years 1 month ago

that your fanbase includes a bunch of LA thugs (basing this on a Sunday afternoon game I went to in 2009) doesn’t make them care more.

Bryz
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5 years 1 month ago

As a Twins fan, I think the Twins’ biggest rivalry has to be with the White Sox. Hawk Harrelson seems to hate them* more than any other broadcaster, Ozzie Guillen coined the “Piranhas” nickname, and there was the Game 163 a few years ago. I know we had a Game 163 with Detroit, and like I mentioned above, the fans do boo when we hear “south Detroit” in “Don’t Stop Believin,'” but I view Detroit as being as harmless as Cleveland and Kansas City. The Sox always seem to be at the top of the AL Central with the Twins.

* Uh oh, got Hawk on the brain. I almost joined his homerism in typing “us” instead of “them.”

As for the Yankees… not a rivalry, but we’re certainly sick of watching the Twins lose to them.

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Sox2727
5 years 1 month ago

Agreed I don’t think Detroit can be mentioned in the same sentence as the two teams because they’ve been in a pennant race in September twice since realignment, whereas the Sox/Twins have been the top 2 in the division for the better part of the last decade.

Scott
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5 years 1 month ago

The Twins-White Sox rivalry was better in the early 2000s than it is now in my opinion. Ozzie has nothing but kind things to say about the Twins. As far as personnel goes it seems to be more of a rivalry of respect than hatred like it was from 2001-2005.

There were better personalities on the Twins with A.J., Mientkiewicz, Hunter, etc that would actually not tow the complany line and were good for rivalry moments.

Chicago was the same with Buehrle, Koch, and Thomas saying repeatedly how much they hate the Twins.

Typically (not this season) the Twins and Tigers have also had some memorable and epic games, probably more memorable than recent White Sox games.

Disco
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Disco
5 years 1 month ago

Living in Philly, but not as a fan, it SEEMS like their rivalry with the Mets is a lot more noticeable than with Atlanta.

Larry Bernandez
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Larry Bernandez
5 years 1 month ago

I would suggest that has more to do with the size of the NY market. Atlanta has just been so much more competitive historically, and a huge part of the Mets/Phillies rivalry is the Mets choking away late season leads in recent years.

GiantHusker
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GiantHusker
5 years 1 month ago

As you correctly pointed out, this method has many flaws, including the Eastern media bias and the general Internet short-memory bias. It is a fun article, but the flaws outweigh the merits.
The Giants-Dodgers history of hatred and virtually even record after thousands of games for a century and on both coasts cannot be matched.

The Iron Horse
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The Iron Horse
5 years 1 month ago

The problem with the Dodgers-Giants rivalry is that people in California don’t care what happened in NY 100 years ago. You’d be lucky to find people who actually know who Christy Matthewson is. The other problem is that people in NY don’t care about teams that used to play in NY but now play in California. Thus, the only people who really care about the history of the rivalry are Baseball historians.

With the Yankees- Red Sox rivalry, the only reason the media keeps writing about it is because it is what sells the most. The reason ESPN keeps putting it on is because it gets them the best ratings. The media is in the business of making money and they want the games that produce the most revenue, which are Yankees- Red Sox games.

There is no east coast bias. The fact is that there are more fans on the east coast who are passionate about baseball than there are on the west coast. Therefore, the media covers it more because there’s a demand for it. They don’t cover other teams as much because there isn’t the demand for that type of coverage.

The media didn’t create the Yankees-Red Sox rivalry. The rivalry created the media coverage. The media just gives people what they want. The media does not tell people what they want.

atomsareenough
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atomsareenough
5 years 1 month ago

I’m a 30 year old Dodger fan in California, and the names Juan Marichal and Bobby Thomson still make me seethe.

Anthony
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Anthony
5 years 1 month ago

How much should it be weighed on the on-field rivalry vs. the off-field rivalry (fans)?

CircleChange11
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CircleChange11
5 years 1 month ago

– East coast teams generally have longer histories & traditions. Even the Dodgers-Giants rivalry could have started on the East Coast.

– The Cards-Cubs rivalry is a good one for a few reasons:

1. The players that have moved between the teams.
2. It divides IL in half. Essentially north of Bloomington is Cubs, South is Cards. Then IA is Cubs, MO is Cards.
3. One team is the winningnest NL team, the other is the Lovable Losers. Nothing brings out hate like a superiority-inferiority complex.

It’s actually surprising how few times the Cards and Cubs have battled for the division.

SFG-LAD has the potential to build to a NYY-BOS level because they can regularly play games that decide division titles.

Antonio Bananas
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Antonio Bananas
5 years 1 month ago

eh, Cards/Cubs kinda sucks as a rivarly. I really get the feeling Cards fans are the only ones who actually care about it. I rarely hear cubs fans talking trash.

There aren’t that many important players that have switched from Cubs to Cards or vice-versa. They are never close in the standings, I can’t think of a single playoff or really even meaningful game between the two. The Sosa/McGwire stuff was fun.

However, if Pujols signs with the Chubbies next offseason, then it’ll be ignited.

Anyone actually know why there is a Cubs/Cards rivalry other than “they’re close and have been in the same division forever”?

Samuel Lingle
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Samuel Lingle
5 years 1 month ago

The Cardinals/Reds isn’t really a real rivalry yet, it’s only a factor of two teams who were close in ability last season competing for a division, some bad blood, and a few former Cards players/management now on the Reds. If the Reds struggle this year or the next nothing will ever come of it

You know that the Cardinals/Cubs rivalry is huge because, even with all these years of the Cubs being absolutely terrible, all the fans of each team just have to beat each other. It doesn’t matter that the games are essentially meaningless, especially compared to a series against, say, the Brewers or Reds this season.

CircleChange11
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CircleChange11
5 years 1 month ago

@Antonio Bananas

The Cards-Cubs rivalry really started in the early 20th Century where either the Cards or Cubs won the division/pennant. They went back on forth for a while (15 years?).

In the 30s, the Cards took over.

The rivalry continued with the Lou Brock trade, Bruce Sutter as a Cardinal, the Sandberg game, Frank Dipino (former Cub) and Mark Grace fight, Sammy and Big Mac, the talk over Pujols, etc.

More recently, the Cubs just fight with each other.

I’ve argued in the past that what seperates a rivalry from just hate is competitiveness. In that regard StL-CHC isn’t much of a rivalry, while NYY-Bos finally is one instead of just one team being insanely jealous of the other.

I hope sometime in the next decade the Cards and Cubs actually have a division battle all the way until late September (hopefully not playing the bulk of their matchups before ASB).

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Chi-Det have a rivalry in multiple sports whether it’s Jordan v. The Bad Boys, Wings and Hawks (Chicago native Chelly really played for the Wings?) Duck Fetroit, Sanders v. Bears (how many highlights can one back have against the same team?). The late 80s/90s was prime time for the Chi-Det rivalry.

Antonio Bananas
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Antonio Bananas
5 years 1 month ago

The Cubs/Cards actually started in the late 1880s in the American Association. Wasn’t Cubs/Cardinals, but it was sort of the seeds being planted for fans of the 2 cities.

Rivalry hasn’t meant anything in forever though. It’s a fabricated rivalry.

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Fred
5 years 1 month ago

“White Sox Cubs Rivalry” nets 2.1 million, whereas “Cubs White Sox Rivalry nets 852,000,” I have always heard it the first way when covered by the media, though I’d just say it’s fairly lazy not to at least try both permutations and average them for each rivalry.

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My echo and bunnymen
5 years 1 month ago

This needs to be said, but I never use Google to search for baseball rivalries. I’m guessing Wikipedia doesn’t like you see a hit counter or look ups counter (what have you), because I use Wikipedia when looking for information. I don’t know anyone who uses Google.

CircleChange11
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CircleChange11
5 years 1 month ago

The ChiSox-Cubs rivavlry is another that features “white collar” v. “Blue collar”.

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From a Cardinal fan perspective, the thing that drives me crazy is their fans are so loyal and passionate, and there’s not a single good reason for it.

I keep hoping that my son (Cub Fan) gets swayed by all the losing and heartbreak. But like everyone else that has Blue Disease, every losing season gets turned into future hope. They’re baseball’s version of Christians and the Rapture, only Cub fans have waited slightly less for their big event. *grin*

Antonio Bananas
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Antonio Bananas
5 years 1 month ago

You don’t need a reason for loyalty. You stick with them. I’m kinda surprised that you’re a Cards fan as you’re usually logical. Most Cards fans I listen to seem to think that everything the Cards do is magical.

airfigaro
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airfigaro
5 years 1 month ago

I concur, as a Brewer fan in St. Louis, it’s maddening.

CircleChange11
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CircleChange11
5 years 1 month ago

How does Cardinals-Dodgers shake out?

IIRC correctly, those 2 teams have played the most game against each other where both teams are close to .500. If I recall the stat from the past, they were, at one time 864-864.

Recently LAD got revenge for the 85 LCS (thanks Tom Neidenfuer), with Holliday’s drop and Franklin’s meltdown. Hard to have a good out of division rivalry, but those 2 teams are among the top for NL teams and world series titles, etc.

EDogg1438
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EDogg1438
5 years 1 month ago

Dodgers/Giants rivalry is predicated on more than just baseball.

Basically, people from SoCal hate people from NoCal and vice versa. So people are rooting just as much against location as they are the teams. Not sure if this was also true when the teams were in NY or not.

I know as a lifelong SoCal resident that I automatically root against something when I find out it’s from NoCal. Doesn’t really matter what it is. It’s programmed in my DNA or something.

Plus the Giants have screwed the Dodgers out of the postseason so many times that it really intensifies the hatred. From the Joe Morgan HR in the early ’80s to the obvious sign-stealing, cheating Bobby Thomson Giants in ’51, there really is no redeeming quality about the Giants.

atomsareenough
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atomsareenough
5 years 1 month ago

That’s not quite true. As someone who grew up in socal and now lives in norcal, I didn’t grow up hating the northern part of the state; I just hated the Giants. Socal people generally are at worst indifferent about Norcal, and usually think the Bay Area and SF are nice or charming or what have you. People from norcal HATE, nay, LOATHE anything LA-related, and they grow up indoctrinated in the culture of hating all things socal. I think it’s based on resentment from socal getting its water from up north and displacing SF in the 20th century as the biggest and most important city in California.

EDogg1438
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EDogg1438
5 years 1 month ago

Forgot got to mention the most recent reason to hate the Giants:

They gave the Dodgers Special Ned Colletti….

J.M.
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J.M.
5 years 1 month ago

*Special Agent

john
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john
5 years 1 month ago

Steve Slowinski says:
“I typed in “Philadelphia Phillies Atlanta Braves rivalry”, as I found that just putting the team names without the place locations made things weird. ”

This may explain why the Giants-Dodgers numbers are kinda low. If you are omitting all of the hits for Brooklyn Dodgers and New York Giants, then you are leaving out 149,000 hits.

Bip
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Bip
5 years 1 month ago

The Giants moved to the West Coast to preserve the Dodgers-Giants rivalry. It’s one of the most even rivalries of all time; both teams have 6 WS and their all-time head to head record is nearly even, and you mean to tell me this is the 12th biggest rivalry in the major leagues, and that it’s only a little bit bigger than the Giants-Rockies rivalry? Not possible.

This method obviously has a huge bias towards very recent events.

john
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john
5 years 1 month ago

Maybe it would be more prudent to search something like the Library of Congress database instead of Google.

Garrett G
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Garrett G
5 years 1 month ago

I remember when the Jays and Detroit used to have a rivalry. Now the jays are the back seat rivals for everyone in the east, in the sense that we hate them but they don’t think of us even enough to assume that we exist.

Steve from Rockford
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Steve from Rockford
5 years 1 month ago

Do Yankee’s fans even consider the Twins rivals? I think that may be a one sided rivalry due to the Twins inability to prevent the Yankees from kicking their butt every playoff game.

White Sox and Cubs rivalry has really lost alot of its weight recently. Hasn’t been the same since the White Sox won the World Series.

Erik
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Erik
5 years 1 month ago

completely misleading. Giants Dodgers is not as big a rivalry as some interleague series, like the Red Sox vs. the Braves? No friggin way.

J.M.
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J.M.
5 years 1 month ago

I’m a Giants fan. I once dated a Dodgers fan. It didn’t work out.

Matt
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5 years 1 month ago

I suppose it’s tough to compare two teams with wildly divergent fan numbers and levels of success, but I’m surprised that Baltimore/NYY didn’t make this list, at least given the presence of New York/Minnesota. It stands to reason that the perennial victor kind of dictates how serious of a rivalry it is—I doubt the Yankees think of the Twins as big rivals—but it makes sense from the Twins’ perspective, as they are the Rangers of the 00’s in terms of being snake-bit in the playoffs against New York.

But there is no team in the AL East more hated by Orioles fans than the Yankees. Not Boston; their recent success stings, but it came after Baltimore began its slide in 1998. The Rays are too much of a feel-good story for any self-respecting O’s fan to hold their current success against them. The Blue Jays never really feel like they’re a real member of the division, being both Canadian and not located on the East Coast.

And finally, there are the two M’s: Mussina, and Maier. Nothing will kill the innocence of childhood quite like a terrible umpiring call in the playoffs that costs your team a game and quite possibly a series, or the snatching away of your ace starter by a divisional rival.

Candlestick Parker
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Candlestick Parker
5 years 1 month ago

Even if you count only the last 53 years on the West Coast, Giants-Dodgers is arguably a deeper rooted rivalry than Red Sox-Yankees. During the long era of Yankees dominance of he AL, from the 1920s to the mid 1960s, the Red Sox were just another team getting the stuffing knocked out of them constantly by New York. The Red Sox did not have their own national following, only the Yankees did. And while I’m sure Boston fans hated the Yankees, so did all the other American League fanbases. It was no more special a rivalry than Yankees-White Sox or Yankees-Senators. 1978 is really the starting point of Red Sox vs Yankees as anything unique.

TK
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TK
5 years 1 month ago

As a Braves fan since late 80s, I hate the Mets, Yankees and Marlins more than the Phillies.

The two teams, before last year, have rarely even been competitive in the same seasons the past 20 years.

Epee9
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Epee9
5 years 1 month ago

These graphs would look much clearer on a log scale. It would then be possible to show several of the lesser rivalries on the same plot.

Mariano Weisenhorn
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4 years 11 months ago

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