What the Rangers Can Do With $90 Million

In 2009 the Rangers opened the season with a $55 million payroll, fourth lowest in baseball. They added some salary along the way, but it amounted to little over $5 million. A bankruptcy proceeding, an ownership change, a new TV deal, and a World Series appearance later and the team finds itself in a bit more favorable financial position. According to Ken Rosenthal and Jon Morosi of Fox Sports, that could mean a 2011 payroll that exceeds $90 million. That will help the Rangers as they pursue another AL pennant.

What helps the Rangers is a lack of financial commitments in the future. The only player weighing down the payroll is Michael Young, who will make $16 million per season through 2013. But after him the Rangers owe more than $1 million to just four other players: Ian Kinsler ($6.2 million), Scott Feldman ($4.4 million), Darren Oliver ($3.25 million) and Colby Lewis ($3 million). All told, including option buy-outs, the Rangers are committed to about $35 million in 2010.

Arbitration raises will push that number close to, if not over, $50 million. The Rangers have a couple of tough arbitration cases ahead of them with Josh Hamilton (second year) and C.J. Wilson (third year). Both could at least double their 2010 salaries — $3.25 million for Hamilton, $3.1 million for Wilson — and could perhaps go even higher. After those two the Rangers have a pair of second-year arbitration cases, Mark Lowe and Dustin Nippert, and a trio of first years: Nelson Cruz, David Murphy, and Darren O’Day.

Since the article suggests that the Rangers will have a payroll of more than $90 milion, let’s assume that they have $40 million to work with this winter. That should help them buy improvements. The club has made known its intentions to retain Cliff Lee, a proposition that could cost them up to $25 million per season. Rosenthal and Morosi also mention the team’s strong interest in Victor Martinez, who will likely receive several offers and make perhaps $12 million per season. That would account for almost all of the team’s available payroll. They might not need a whole lot more — most positions are already accounted for. But is this the best move for the team long term?

The Rangers did have the third worst offensive catching crew in the majors, combining for a .273 wOBA. Martinez would obviously provide an enormous upgrade. His defense is suspect, which means he could take reps at DH and first base. There might not be many at-bats at DH should Vladimir Guerrero return, but the Rangers could certainly create a platoon situation between Martinez and Mitch Moreland at first base — which works especially well considering Martinez’s numbers against left-handed pitching.

Beyond that, the Rangers will return everyone from the 2010 club. They’ll have another chance to see if Julio Borbon can man center field full-time, leaving Hamilton and Cruz to the corners and Murphy to the fourth outfield role. The team also has a relatively full pitching staff, especially if they retain Lee, and a bullpen with upside. So while spending around $37 million on two players might not sound like a great idea in general, it is workable given the Rangers situation.

The only issues the Rangers might find is in the future, when their current players get more expensive. If Hamilton agrees to a long-term deal it will be rather expensive. Wilson becomes a free agent after 2011 and therefore must be replaced. Cruz could get expensive fast. Elvis Andrus hits arbitration next season and Neftali Feliz isn’t far behind. Colby Lewis’s contract expires after 2011. That could create unfavorable positions in 2012 and 2013. If they continue winning they might be able to expand payroll to a point where they can accommodate some of these players. The farm, one of the tops in the league, can perhaps fill out the rest.

Given the way the Rangers are currently positioned, they could probably afford to retain Cliff Lee and sign Victor Martinez without destroying their future. The caveat, of course, is that they need to continue winning in order to keep attendance high. That should make more cash available in the future. An expanded payroll means that Lee and Martinez would take up a lesser portion of it. If they didn’t have a number of cost-controlled players and a good farm it might be a different situation. But for these Rangers, spending big on two players could pay off big.




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  1. Nick V says:

    Obviously they’re going to try their best to sign Lee, but their best plan of attack regardless should be to spend that extra money not on a guy like VMart, but to sign their guys up to long term, team friendly contracts before they reach FA. Look at what the Red Sox have in Pedroia and Lester each making roughly 7 million per year (including their more expensive and distant club options), Youkilis making well below market value, etc.

    They should figure out who they’re willing to bet on and make fair long term offers to those guys. Having 40 million to spend in 2011 doesn’t mean spending it all now.

    (Also, if they can’t get Lee, they should use their farm/youth resources to trade for Greinke and consider using that Lee money for Crawford).

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    • Schu says:

      I liked this post right up until you mentioned signing Crawford. Trading for Greinke I wholeheartedly agree with. They have the young talent to make a deal work but I fear the Royals will want too much in return.

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  2. Rodney says:

    Lewis has a 2012 club option.

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    • t ball says:

      a cheap one at that. I suspect that if Lewis has another great year they tear up that option and sign him to another 3 year deal for more.

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  3. Mike Green says:

    $15 million in arbitration awards for Josh Hamilton, CJ Wilson, Nelson Cruz, Nippert, Murphy, O’Day and Lowe is likely to be a very low estimate.

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  4. t ball says:

    I’m a lot less certain that Martinez will be worth the money at the end of his contract than I am for Lee — and I’m not convinced Lee will be worth his contract in the last two years either.

    I’d sign Lee, then sign Olivo or Torrealba and save the additional money for arbs, extensions, and midseason payroll room in 2011.

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  5. Adam D says:

    Is there no chance they sign Adrian Beltre and move Young to DH?

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    • Adam D says:

      as a plus to this idea, MY would make an adequate utility infielder for the days other guys need a rest, considering he has played all those positions in the past.

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    • this guy says:

      Only if you want to waste the DH slot. Young is not a good hitter. I think we’ve pretended that we don’t seee the home/road splits long enough.

      Now we’re pretending we don’t see Hamilton’s home/road splits, and pretending that he was the MVP this year. I can accept overrating 1 Ranger. To pretend that Young is a viable DH is too much for me to pretend.

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      • Jono says:

        Oh wise one. Which player would win your MVP vote?

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      • ACWNS09 says:

        I don’t have to pretend Hamilton was the MVP. The only AL player within 1 WAR of him was Beltre, and Hamilton’s road wOBA was only 6 points lower than Beltre’s overall wOBA. They’re extreme splits, but even his bad one is pretty outstanding.

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      • this guy says:

        Cabrera and Cano each outperformed Hamilton.

        Hamilton is a good player. A .900 OPS CF is valuable, but Miggy was more dominant in a tougher park. Miguel Cabrera was overwhelmingly the best hitter in the AL this season. The difference far outwieghs any defensive value in playing CF vs 1B.

        Offense >>>> Defense, and Cabrera’s season was ridiculous by historic standards.

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      • ACWNS09 says:

        Those are as far out on the defensive spectrum as you’re going to get (aside from catcher). That kind of offense from a premium defensive position (combined with good defense) > Cabrera’s offense from 1st base (combined with slightly below average defense).

        Once again, Hamilton’s road wOBA was only 5 points lower than Cano’s overall wOBA.

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      • Steve says:

        Wow, Josh Hamilton only hit .327/.382/.512 on the road!! what a bum!!!!

        Hamilton’s road OPS would be good for 8th in the AL.

        and that’s IGNORING the Bonds-ian beat down he put on the league at home.

        the gap between how much you actually know and how much you think you know is simply staggering.

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      • this guy says:

        You people WAY overrate defense. Defense is an afterthought compared to offense. Hamilton is not anywhere near a Cabrera caliber hitter. I really don’t want to discuss with you given what you’ve said on the topic so far. I need to concede the last word to you and leave you with your deficiencies.

        Hamilton would need to be Ozzie Smith to make up for over 100 points in OPS, which is the REAL difference between Cabrera and Hamilton.

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      • this guy says:

        @Steve

        The 8th best OPS would group him with about 10 other players from all different positions, none of which are mentioned as favorites to win the MVP.

        Something this fucking simple is only staggering when your intellectual scope is that of a raisin.

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      • ACWNS09 says:

        I’ll leave your answer as the last part of the argument. It’s only right.

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      • this guy says:

        100 points in OPS is the difference between 4 years for 50 million and 7 years for 200 million. 100 points in OPS is a HUGE difference.

        Look up the non-home-park-inflated names you see at 700, 800, 900 and 1000 OPS. Massive difference.

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      • this guy says:

        Intelligent people use numbers to figure out what happened.

        Stupid people use numbers to justify what their barbaric impulses have already lead them to believe.

        Most of you throw out terms like “WOBA” and “UZR” as if you were the former, but when engaged in debate, it becomes extremely clear that you are of the latter group.

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      • Nick T says:

        “Stupid people use numbers to justify what their barbaric impulses have already lead them to believe.”

        Says who, you? Stop making general statements that aren’t even true as a way to try to tell people they’re wrong. Your opinions are backed up with nothing. You are a fool.

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      • My echo and bunnymen says:

        @this guy

        For a guy who wants to leave us to our defiencies, you won’t be quiet. I’m not sure you want us to have the last word, nor do you have any desire to spend time with human life and communicate on any level. Give peace a chance, man.

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    • this guy says:

      Like remember when we were calling Matt Holliday the best hitter in baseball when he was with Colorado?

      For some reason, extreme stupid is readily allowed in baseball, and even encouraged. It’s quite remarkable actually. The stupid went as far as to effect even Las vegas.

      Even Vegas favored the Rangers as some juggernaut offense, when in reality, they had ONE significantly above average hitter on the whole team. VEGAS even pretended not to see the home/road splits.

      ““Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I’m not sure about the the universe.” Albert Einstein

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      • Scout Finch says:

        wow. the Einstein quote sure is the icing on top.

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      • this guy says:

        The splits speak for themselves. It’s such a simple observation, even you could make sense of it.

        Young is a SUB-700 OPS hitter away from Texas, and you want to DH him? He’s basically Jeff Franceour.

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      • Steve says:

        Like remember when we were calling Matt Holliday the best hitter in baseball when he was with Colorado?

        No. Does anyone here rememeber ANYONE saying anything remotely close to this? Of course not. Because no one has ever called Matt Holliday the best hitter in baseball.

        If you can produce a single quote to this effect, I will eat my shoe.

        your schtick is beyond tiresome.

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      • this guy says:

        It was written all over the internet, particularly amongst the saber community.

        The points you choose to “debate” and your tone are reflective of your limited capacity. Go away. I don’t want to be accused of picking on a child.

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      • this guy says:

        Actually, I take back the Franceour comparison for Young. Franceour actually has a better arm and more speed.

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      • Steve says:

        if it was written all over the internet, you should easily be able to produce a quote.

        hilarious that you are criticizing someone else’s “tone”. you are easily the most obnoxious troll on this site. which is too bad, b/c sometimes you actually have a cogent point or two. but it’s usually lost in the sea of garbage that is the rest of your posts.

        so let’s see it. produce a quote calling Matt Holliday the “best hitter in baseball”. i’ll wait.

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      • this guy says:

        With all the topics we touched upon, you want to wait for me to dig up an article from over 2 years ago.

        Look, it’s obvious you just started following baseball. Most of us have been fans for longer than you. When faced with historical references you are not familiar with, it’s upon you to do the research.

        Google “Research Wikipedia”. Us older folks used to do this all the time, back when attention spans were longer than 4 minutes.

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      • Steve says:

        translation: i’m full of shit.

        ok, got it.

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      • Nick T says:

        Let’s not act like any bark in baseball is at the level of Coors in terms of being a hitter’s park. Rangers Ballpark in Arlington was not in the top 5 in 2010. One significantly above average hitter? What are you smoking? Are you really using home/road splits as justification for this? MOST players hit better at home, not just hitters who play in hitter’s parks.

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      • this guy says:

        “MOST players hit better at home, not just hitters who play in hitter’s parks.”

        Not by over 100 points in OPS. Many hit better on the road too. Are you really going to deny that Texas is a launching pad? Are you on Hamilton’s dick THAT hard???

        I wish my brain would give in to my barbaric impulses that easily.

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      • Nick T says:

        I’m not going to say it’s not a hitter’s park, but it’s not as much of one as you’re implying, and you’re not taking into account any other factors in terms of home/road splits. The parks aren’t the only thing that’s changing.

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      • this guy says:

        @ Nick T

        Look at the home road splits of the whole freaking team. Michael Young’s OPS jumps nearly 200 fucking points. Vlad, over 100 points. Nelson Cruz, 200 fucking points. Ian Kinsler, 170 fucking points.

        This whole site is a fucking joke. All of you that think you have a clue about this game are a fucking joke.

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      • Nick T says:

        Look a little deeper. The Rangers play over a third of their road games in the top-third of pitcher’s parks. Some of the disparity is Rangers Ballpark being a hitter’s park. But a lot of it, too, is where they’re playing their road games.

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      • Nick T says:

        Looks like I left out the word “well.” It should read: The Rangers play well over a third of their road games in the top-third of pitcher’s parks. As it reads now, it would stand to reason, though it’s not true of all teams, of course.

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      • Jason B says:

        “This whole site is a fucking joke. All of you that think you have a clue about this game are a fucking joke.”

        And yet, you still come back. Again…and again…and again…and again. Having your hand forced to come here and actually try and communicate with these dolts who are clearly so far beneath you on the evolutionary scale SUCKS. I feel for you brother.

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      • this guy says:

        I really put those sheeple in their place!! *Giggle snort*

        *Glances around for my cat to explain to her in painstaking detail how I put those SABR nerds in their place again*

        *Cat can’t take anymore…dives into toilet bowl, pawing feebly at the handle to flush herself into oblivion and a better life in the pipes with the alligators and the CHUDs*

        “Mr Flopsy? Come back!!! Stupid cat. Now where are my Cool Ranch Doritos?!? Ooooh FAMILY SIZE! Gonna need the sweatpants with the reinforced elastic waistband tonight!!”

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  6. DIVISION says:

    The Rangers’ ownership needs to decide whether they want to stay on-course and build a better team through smart moves that went under the radar (Colby Lewis) while retaining their young stars (Andrus) or buy-in to the big market mentality of buying hired guns (Lee). I don’t think you spend $30M per on any pitcher unless you’re NY or Boston. Lee, while being a top 5 pitcher, isn’t worth the cost Texas would pay when those millions could be better utilized in other areas. A $90M payroll with a third going to ONE player? No.

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  7. Phil says:

    Pulled statistics from Statcorner, wOBA adjusted for park effects:

    MC – .427
    JH – .443
    RC – .386

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    • this guy says:

      Let’s pretend we have brains for one second.

      Hamilton finished with an OPS of .002 higher than Cabrera, while heavily weighting his production in a launching pad. Meanwhile, if you have ever watched a single game in Detroit, or have been a fan of the game for more than a few months, you would know that Detroit is an extreme pitcher’s park.

      Does that adjustment look like it was done properly? Probably not.

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      • Steve says:

        See, this is actually a good point.

        If you could stick to making your point without calling everyone else a mouth-breathing idiot, your arguments might be taken a little more seriously.

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      • Nick T says:

        Not really that good of a point. Comerica is middle-of-the pack. By no means “extreme pitcher’s park.”

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      • this guy says:

        Try watching some baseball. It’s pretty interesting.

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      • Phil says:

        You sound like a politician using rhetoric rather than statistics. Magnitude of an effect is equally as important as direction. Also, we are on fangraphs; there are better metrics to use than OPS to measure batter performance. I’d like to think we can use facts rather than inflammatory fluff to argue. Also, very classy of you to engage in personal attacks; it makes your arguments that more convincing.

        Since you are incapable of backing up your arguments with any numbers, here are some park factors for the past 5 years, starting in 2010 go backing with their ranking from ESPN.

        Tex: 1.091 (6), 1.085 (7), 1.142 (1), .979 (18), 1.081 (5)
        5yr ave: 1.0756
        Det: .981 (17), 1.026 (13), 1.077 (5t), 1.051 (12), .980 (18)
        5yr ave: 1.023

        If not being in the bottom 3rd is an extreme pitcher’s park then I really feel bad for the Rays in their hitter’s dungeon. I would say Texas is a hitter friendly environment while Comerica is more neutral.

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      • this guy says:

        Judging by how naive so many of you are, it would actually be more surprising if the rich DIDN’T rob us blind.

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      • Nick T says:

        “Try watching some baseball. It’s pretty interesting.”

        Good one. How about some facts? I have them. Comerica was 17th in park factor in 2010. MIDDLE OF THE PACK. Dumbass.

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      • Nick T says:

        Thank you Phil.

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      • ACWNS09 says:

        Have you watched the Rangers? BPiA is less of a launching pad than people think. It probably favors LHBs, though. Detroit is closer to neutral than an “extreme” pitcher’s park.

        Whether you think Cabrera’s true hitting talent is greater than Hamilton’s or not (as a Rangers fan, I admit it most likely is), Hamilton hit better THIS YEAR.

        Also, of course Hamilton’s road numbers are going to be low. Look at the rest of his division. It’s all defense/pitching. Seattle and Oakland are both extreme pitcher’s park. You have to look at more than BPiA being a launching pad and Hamilton sucks on the road.

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      • this guy says:

        @Phil

        And you would be underestimating the effect of each park. There are far more important numbers than ballpark effects that are generated by far more intelligent people that are completely irrelevant and inaccurate.

        The problem with you people is that you aren’t actually fans of the game. You clearly don’t watch any fucking baseball. You are here because this is the only forum where you feel comfortable enough to pretend to be an expert.

        Rangers Park Dimensions – http://www.rangerfans.com/images/ballpark/ballparklayout2.gif

        Comerica Dimensions – http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.baseballfielddimensions.net/wp-content/uploads/comerica-park-dimensions.gif&imgrefurl=http://www.baseballfielddimensions.net/al-stadium-dimensions/comerica-park-dimensions/&usg=__FVSjX7OtlpIdxCd4ruJ6E2_W8KE=&h=365&w=370&sz=8&hl=en&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=0n1NvJhpsJa2PM:&tbnh=109&tbnw=110&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dcomerica%2Bdimensions%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26rls%3Dcom.microsoft:en-us%26rlz%3D1I7ADSA_en%26biw%3D879%26bih%3D478%26tbs%3Disch:1&um=1&itbs=1&iact=rc&dur=235&ei=87TdTPv5GIWglAen2MWYDQ&oei=0bTdTIPtOIKglAersYCSDQ&esq=12&page=1&ndsp=15&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0&tx=78&ty=38

        The distance to the left centerfield alley is roughly 440, with huge walls.

        Climate in Texas is dry and warm, compared to Detroit which is well, Detroit. There is a well known jet stream blowing out to right center to right field in Texas. Detroit boats a MASSIVE wall in centerfield that could be called the “Green Monster 2″.

        I swear if someone posted an article saying you had 2 heads, most of you would toss your whole wardrobe in the garbage immediately.

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      • this guy says:

        Right, so a park with a CF that is over 20 feet shorter to CF, and roughly 30 feet shorter in the power alleys, which was built in a dry state like Texas, which has historically known as a hitter’s park, suddenly switched and became closer to Detroit.

        Go back to sleep monkeys. I’m sorry to have disturbed you.

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      • Nick T says:

        Is this guy kidding? Use the eyeball test? NO ONE watches enough baseball to get a large enough sample doing this. Even if you watch every game of your own team, you’re not getting enough of the other parks. You’re basically saying.. “LOOK HOW FAR THE FENCES ARE!!!!!11.” Seriously? That’s your argument?

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      • this guy says:

        @ACWNS09

        You know where else are pitcher’s parks? Detroit, Cleveland, Minnesota and Kansas City. The pitching in the AL Central is every bit as tough as that of the AL West.

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      • this guy says:

        @ Nick T

        Texas has been a known launching pad to baseball fans all over for fucking years. Look at home road splits of Texas hitters for the past 20 fucking years. You monkeys pull out statistical subsets and ignore physics and subsets that mildly support a broad point your monkey impulses are driving you to believe.

        It’s fucking blatantly obvious. The guy has an OPS that is over ONE HUNDRED points higher at home than on the road. Miguel Cabrera was equaly DOMINANT everywhere, and your argument is that the difference isnt as large as I make it sound????

        You people make me disgusted to be a part of this species.

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      • Nick T says:

        Kansas City? Sigh. “This guy” cannot be helped. He is in his own world where no stats exist on these things. KC was not in the top 50% of pitcher’s parks.

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      • ACWNS09 says:

        Let me guess, they’re pitcher’s parks because you say so. Oakland is the one of the most pitcher friendly parks in the AL. They also have a strong pitching staff and defense. Seattle is just as extreme as a pitcher’s park and boasted what was probably the best defensive outfield in the majors. I don’t think LA is as pitcher-friendly as the others, but it’s still a pitcher’s park. They also had Jered Weaver, Dan Haren and Ervin Santana.

        Run prevention was significantly better in the West than the Central. Anybody who disagrees doesn’t watch baseball and isn’t a fan of the game.

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      • this guy says:

        @ Nick

        You, nor anyone that has anything to do with this web page knows jack shit about this game.

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      • this guy says:

        Ignoring your blatant bias in evaluating parks, Hamilton had a total of 48 fucking at bats in Oakland and Seattle, compared to 20 for Miguel Cabrera.

        Your offsetting playing half your season in a hitter’s park vs a pitcher’s park, with 28 fucking at bats in Oakland and Seattle.

        Even if you did know anything about this sport, you would be too fucking stupid to make any sense of it.

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      • ACWNS09 says:

        Ignore your bias in evaluating parks. I have facts to back mine up. You have your words that are spoken out of ignorance. It’s OK. Sometimes the truth is scary, especially when it so clearly contradicts things you hold so close to your heart.

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      • Phil says:

        Park dimensions are only one aspect that goes into park effects. If you want to be more accurate, then you should look up which of Hamilton’s HRrs wouldn’t have couldn’t in Det and visa versa. Then repeat for 2B and 3B to see if any would become Hrs. I’m sure there is some data regarding that somewhere.

        Of course not all statistical analysis is accurate and perfect, but if you know how they might be biased, you can adjust and refine them Isn’t that part of the point of this website: better objective analysis. It is quite apparent that you don’t trust for numerical analysis or its improvement and trust your eyes more than what happened, thus there is no point in further discussion as it will lead no where.

        From your other posts, it appears you are incapable of posting without any derogatory comments towards the website or its users. Your posting here is a mystery then.

        Thank you for more personal attacks. Stay classy.

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      • this guy says:

        @ACWNS09

        Nice job ignoring pretty much everything I said. So some elementary school level adjustment to stats generated over the course of 80 games, which defies physics and decades of empirical evidence says that I overestimated the DEGREE by which Miguel Cabrera OUTPERFORMED Hamilton, (which we all seem to agree upon) and you think you have a point?

        This is not to mention the fact that you hung your hat on 28 fucking at bats in Oakland and Seattle over the course of an entire season.

        Do you really think you won this debate? Honestly? If so, than you are both stupid and in denial.

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      • Nick T says:

        Assuming you could correctly look up those numbers (fingers crossed), that is ten percent of road at bats. When you’re talking about a sample size of less than 300 ABs, 28 is actually quite significant.

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      • this guy says:

        Thanks for being a fag Phil. I’m sorry to have stated the truth. I know that annoys you sabers when someone states the truth about the consensus mancrush of the month.

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      • this guy says:

        Ok Nick. Then how much of an impact does 50% of a player’s at bats have?

        Your whole fragile “argument” just got destroyed.

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      • Nick T says:

        That 50% is fine. The other 50% is amazing. And you are still an idiot.

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      • ACWNS09 says:

        I didn’t hang my hat on. Good reading comprehension. I already brought up the other parts of the argument, so maybe it’s your memory instead. I also brought up run prevention in general.
        Oakland – 3.86 R/G
        Seattle – 4.31
        Los Angeles – 4.33

        Minnesota – 4.14
        Chicago – 4.35
        Cleveland – 4.64
        Kansas City – 5.22

        You’ve done nothing to dispute any of the park factors other than the Jeter-defender-esque response of “watch baseball”, either.

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      • Guy says:

        In ancient Sparta, important matters were decided by who was the most relentless dickhead. Fortunately we are not in ancient Sparta.

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  8. this guy says:

    DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS!

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  9. Nick T says:

    “You, nor anyone that has anything to do with this web page knows jack shit about this game.”

    You keep saying stuff like this, and not much else. Half the crap you say to try and back up your points isn’t even correct. You’re a fucking moron.

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  10. drumzalicious says:

    I still think the best thing for the Rangers would be to trade for Grienke. Cliff Lee is on the wrong side of 30 to be giving him a contract more than 3-4 years because there is no guarantee that he will age as well as someone like Pettitte.

    Trade for Grienke and Sign V-Mart then they have done the same aount of upgrading while staying younger. Not to mention they could have money for a mid-season acquisition or even bring Vlad back or another DH into the fold. That move also helps them for the future that as that scenario probably bumps their payroll about 25mil and they have room down the road to keep their young players that are going through the arbitration process.

    Although as a Braves fan we wouldn’t mind taking one of those “expensive” outfielders off your hands. Hamilton or Cruz would be great for us lol

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    • DIVISION says:

      You go after Greinke if he’ll come reasonable long-term and the trade makes sense. The only distinction being that he’s younger than Lee and thus more valuable. Also, we don’t know if Greinke wants to play in Texas.

      Dump Vlad and upgrade with Matsui.

      The best Texas can hope for is the improvement of their young position players with a young Greinke anchoring the staff………praying Michael Young’s range at third doesn’t fall off the table.

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  11. cs3 says:

    ***““Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I’m not sure about the the universe.” Albert Einstein***

    and you are the proof, ‘this guy’

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  12. Ryan L says:

    Man, I used to enjoy reading the comments here.

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  13. phoenix says:

    is there any way to “report” a commenter? in the mlb team websites, when one posts on an article, one can report someone for disrespectful, rude, vulgar, etc comments. if there is not a way to do this on fangraphs, there should be. and if there is, can someone please tell me so that i can report “this guy”? if nothing else, the amount of times he has used the word “f*ck” is unacceptable, not to mention the blatant personal attacks on multiple other commenters. while his faulty logic is staggering, he is entitled to his own beliefs and arguments, whether or not he can produce relevant, objective, statistical or even verifiable anecdotal evidence. but the personal attacks and vulgarity is simply unacceptable in a forum dedicated to insightful and intelligent research, analysis, and discussion.

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  14. ban this guy says:

    can we ban this stupid fuck?

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  15. John says:

    Why haven’t you people banned “this guy”s IP address yet? I saw not one fact besides OPS (lol). The rest of the shit spewing out of his mouth is derogatory and defacing comments. Seeing that this website puts up with this really makes me think of going somewhere else. Let’s not turn fangraphs into gamefaqs.com.

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  16. John says:

    I want to get one thing straight though. What we learned from this guy is that the Rangers are historically the worst team to play the game, and all of their hitters are AA at best. Good going.

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  17. todmod says:

    Seriously, the comments by “this guy” make this site worse to read. The arrogance would be bad on it’s own, but the slurs/attacks are just awful. I really can’t see any defense to keeping his comments on the site.

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  18. Ricky says:

    “this guy”: please feel free to fall in a ditch.

    That is all.

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  19. CircleChange11 says:

    This Guy:

    It’s time to do some statistical work and compare the “inflated” Texas hitter’s home/road splits as compared to the Home/Road splits of all the other teams.

    Just throwing out statement after statement based on minimal information, generally just your opinion, is not discussion. It’s you talking. Most of the stuff you say I think “how does he know that?”, and the answer to that question is “He doesn’t”.

    I’m not going to jump on the troll bandwagon or anything like that, but for someone that talks so much, I figured you want to be more informed or have more evidence.

    I assume i am wasting my time with the suggestion, but I figured I’d give you the benefit of the doubt and that you’d like to demonstrate that you are right, instead of assume so.

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  20. AdamM says:

    Not only did This guy grow up loving to pull the legs off of insects, he still does it.

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  21. According to a study in the Drug and Alcohol Dependence journal this year, there are about six times as many alcohol-related arrests in Gainesville on game days when Florida’s football team is at home as there are on Saturdays when there’s not a game

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  22. According to a study in the Drug and Alcohol Dependence journal this year, there are about six times as many alcohol-related arrests in Gainesville on game days when Florida’s football team is at home as there are on Saturdays when there’s not a game

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