World Series Game 2 Live Blog

7:56
Dave Cameron: I think James Taylor just sang the wrong song…
7:56
Comment From Sgt. Pepper
WHY DOES AMERICA NEED SO MANY SONGS
7:57
Comment From AJT
BECAUSE AMERICA
7:57
Comment From DCinSTL
Because… ‘Merica!
7:57
Comment From Helladecimal
I love American. Mass obesity has its charms
7:59
Dave Cameron: For those wondering, no Sullivan tonight, but Zimmerman might swing by later to keep our Jeff quota going.

8:00
Comment From jesse
Today you mention that pitching to the score was baloney in the comments section of your blowout article; yet last night you made comments about the pitch selection based on the score – while I realize the goal is the same score neutral, aren’t those two ideas contradictory?
8:00
Dave Cameron: Last night I was mocking Tim McCarver’s stupid comments about pitching to the score.
8:01
Dave Cameron: And, look, even if you think pitchers might back off some and just groove fastballs in the regular season, if you think they’re doing that in the WORLD SERIES, you’re insane.
8:02
Comment From Matt
Dave, have you ever bet on baseball?
8:02
Dave Cameron: Nope.
8:03
Comment From Yeezus
Hey Dave, don’t let your Cardinals fandom cloud your judgment. Your article today seemed to make an excuse for how badly the Cardinals got beat
8:03
Dave Cameron: That’s me, well known Cardinals fan.
8:03
Dave Cameron: Here’s a tip for you: announcers/writers/people aren’t biased against you just because they wrote something you don’t agree with.
8:04
Comment From Joe
Dave, what do you make of the Red Sox walking just once yesterday? I roll my eyes at the idea of pitching to the score, but at a certain point of a blowout, do you think some hitters become less selective?
8:04
Dave Cameron: Adam Wainwright has good control.
8:05
Comment From Sgt. Pepper
Is Beltran playing?
8:05
Dave Cameron: Starting. They didn’t promise he will play the whole game.
8:05
Comment From Hams
Did Carson watch Game 1?
8:06
Dave Cameron: He seemed to be aware of what happened when we talked about it on the podcast today, so either yes, or he read a really thorough recap.
8:06
Comment From Meano Eno
I heard that Carson hates the playoffs. Is this true?
8:07
Dave Cameron: Hate is a strong word. They aren’t his favorite thing.
8:07
Comment From Hams
Podcast was great, that’s why I was wondering. Used to live overseas and watching stuff in the middle of the night is rough.
8:07
Dave Cameron: I’m sure he didn’t watch it live. We didn’t record that podcast until 5 pm eastern his time.
8:07
Comment From DaveFleming
Any thoughts on Gomes over Nava?
8:07
Dave Cameron: Can never know if Nava is dealing with an injury or something, but if he’s healthy, it’s the wrong call.
8:08
Comment From Meano Eno
Nava seemed healthy when he pinch hit last night
8:08
Dave Cameron: Agreed
8:08
Dave Cameron: That lack of punctuation was in honor of Jeff.
8:09
Dave Cameron: The Red Sox “key to the game” is to “feel the momentum”.
8:09
Comment From Tony
What is your least favorite thing about baseball?
8:09
Dave Cameron: Tim McCarver?
8:09
Dave Cameron: Might be recency bias at play.
8:10
Dave Cameron: Second night in a row Drew makes a rushed throw for out #1 of the game.
8:10
Comment From Meano Eno
Does Drew thing Carpenter is faster than he is? Seems to be rushing things?
8:12
Dave Cameron: Wasn’t even that close to swinging, crowd boos no strike call anyway.
8:12
Dave Cameron: Gomes Effect.
8:12
Comment From Guest
Why does he dive for everything…?
8:12
Dave Cameron: He has no range.
8:13
Comment From semperty
Does he ever realize that it’s probably going to drop in anyway?
8:13
Dave Cameron: Helps his grittiness factor.
8:14
Dave Cameron: Too close to take, eh Tim?
8:14
Dave Cameron: That’s like a foot high.
8:14
Comment From Brian
why doesnt fenway have a batter’s eye area like pretty much every other stadium?
8:14
Dave Cameron: It does – it’s the really tall wall.
8:15
Comment From Mike Y.
All the momentum to the Sox after that Gomes putout.
8:15
Dave Cameron: It only matters if they feel it.
8:17
Comment From Meano Eno
theres a wolf at the fence in my backyard. what do i do????
8:17
Dave Cameron: Rent a tiger.
8:18
Comment From AJT
Shoot it. You’re American, you should have a gun or two, right?
8:18
Dave Cameron: There’s a fox in our neighborhood, and our neighbors have been sending around emails about it. I’m shocked one of them hasn’t gunned it down yet.
8:19
Comment From Tyler
what does the fox say?
8:19
Comment From Ben
I was going to make a joke about finding out what the fox says, but I thought better of it
8:19
Comment From A(s)ferny
but foxes keep rodent populations in check
8:19
Comment From semperty
What’s it say?
8:19
Comment From Meano Eno
You have a neighborhood email chain?
8:19
Dave Cameron: Yep.
8:19
Comment From Steff
Are foxes dangerous for dog and cats?
8:20
Dave Cameron: Theoretically, yes.
8:20
Comment From Sgt. Pepper
FoxGraphs
8:20
Dave Cameron: Oh good, Texarkana talk!
8:21
Comment From Rich
Dogs and cats who get eaten by foxes just don’t want it enough
8:21
Dave Cameron: Wacha is living up in the zone.
8:21
Dave Cameron: After Buck spent all pregame talking about his downward plane.
8:22
Dave Cameron: Nasty change-up.
8:23
Comment From semperty
Matheny talked about bringing Wainwright back to potentially start game 4 on short rest. If you’re in that situation, what’s the series have to be at for you to do that: 3-0 or down 2-1?
8:23
Dave Cameron: I probably wouldn’t do it either way.
8:23
Comment From Tom
In that situation, Dave would throw a bullpen game and go matchup heavy.
8:23
Dave Cameron: Yep.
8:24
Dave Cameron: Wacha is really good .
8:24
Comment From Shrewd Cat
If Waino on normal rest for Game 5- can use him for relief in Game 7 if necessary?
8:25
Dave Cameron: Yes. You’re better off with full rest Wainwright/relief in Game 7 on throw day than two short rest starts.
8:25
Comment From semperty
Do you think it’s possible to win a WS where your starter never goes more than 2 or 3 innings (i.e. TB in game 4 of the ALDS)?
8:25
Dave Cameron: Yep, and we’ll see a team do it in the next 10-20 years.
8:26
Comment From Brian
but why not throw him on short rest to tie the series? live for today, not tomorrow
8:26
Dave Cameron: No, live to win four games or it doesn’t matter what day you lose on.
8:27
Dave Cameron: They’re advertising that they’re going to run an ad?
8:27
Dave Cameron: Tune in on Sunday, so you can see this ad we’re promoting now.
8:28
Dave Cameron: Lackey is living up at the neck.
8:28
Dave Cameron: And they’re swinging.
8:29
Comment From John
Line drive on the scorecard!
8:29
Dave Cameron: Or a fliner, more likely.
8:30
Comment From James
Glad we got that family interview. Always exciting, Fox.
8:30
Dave Cameron: Lackey is really living up in the zone.
8:31
Comment From Scruffy, the janitor
What do John Lackey’s parent’s think about his performance?
8:31
Comment From Sgt. Pepper
It’s always the parents of rookies too. It’s like parents just stop caring after the first season.
8:32
Comment From chuckb
Cards already have 4 swinging strikes on high fsstballs.
8:32
Dave Cameron: Five, now.
8:33
Dave Cameron: Nasty curveball.
8:33
Comment From RF
If you’re the FOX stat guy, how angry to you get when they come to ask you to find out the pitchers with the most days between world series starts?
8:33
Comment From Aussie Mariner
Is there a win probability chart up for today’s game? All I see is yesterday’s.
8:34
Comment From Guest
Is the transcript from yesterday’s chat somewhere? It seems to have disappeared.
8:34
Dave Cameron: These things are too long, so they break the transcript tool.
8:35
Comment From semperty
Why do all the Red Sox infielders act like they’ve got Billy Hamilton running to first? The Cardinals are slow – walk the ball to first before they get there.
8:37
Dave Cameron: I feel like The Desolation of Smaug should be what Greenpeace calls themselves.
8:39
Comment From Jonah Keri Is on the Phone
Odds Papi makes the HOF?
8:40
Dave Cameron: 90%. He does all the things voters love.
8:40
Comment From Ruki
I can’t see Ortiz getting in unless Edgar does.
8:40
Dave Cameron: Ortiz has dingers and postseason clutch narrative.
8:41
Comment From Jake
Ortiz plays(ed) in the bigger market, too
8:41
Dave Cameron: Boston got Jim Rice into the Hall of Fame based on nothing more than “fear”.
8:42
Comment From Meano Eno
JONNY GOMES IS A WINNER WITHOUT THE NUMBERS
8:42
Comment From grog
Winners!
8:42
Comment From Mr. Wrestling IV
Jonny Gomes #winner
8:42
Comment From AJT
Gomes is a winner without the numbers to back it up.
8:42
Comment From Brian
(jonny gomes has INTANGIBLES)
8:42
Comment From RF
Winner = choosing good teams apparently
8:43
Comment From Meano Eno
Nava only has tangibles
8:44
Comment From Brian
has wacha thrown the curve yet?
8:44
Dave Cameron: I haven’t seen one.
8:45
Dave Cameron: Wacha living up in the zone with his fastball too. Seems to be the gameplan for both pitchers today. Wonder if the cold gives pitchers more incentive to go upstairs?
8:46
Comment From Nick
whats the most pitches wacha has thrown this year? at 36 already
8:46
Dave Cameron: 112.
8:46
Comment From semperty
Apparently fastballs down are better than fastballs up (for the hitter)? I was always told don’t leave anything up…
8:46
Dave Cameron: Up gets more swings and misses, but also more dingers.
8:47
Comment From semperty
I’m guessing the faster you throw the safer it is to live up there?
8:47
Dave Cameron: It’s more about location than velo, but velo helps too.
8:48
Comment From Crusty
Dave, I asked this question during Paul’s chat, but how could so many teams “miss” on Wacha? With all the money and time spent on scouting, how does a guy with Wacha’s obvious talent and makeup become that undervalued? He was only in the Cardinals system for a year, so it cannot be that much about player development.
8:48
Dave Cameron: Scouts love breaking balls.
8:49
Comment From RF
I suspect, but have no evidence, that changeup-heavy pitchers tend to overperform their first time through the league.
8:49
Dave Cameron: I think changeup heavy pitchers tend to overperform period. Or, said differently, they’re underrated.
8:51
Dave Cameron: Pretty great slider to a lefty.
8:51
Dave Cameron: Don’t see that too often.
8:52
Comment From Brian
a plus changeup and a plus fastball has to be one of the best combos for any pitcher
8:52
Dave Cameron: Yeah, if you have a good two-seam that eats up righties, better off with great change than great breaking ball.
8:53
Comment From Sgt. Pepper
Are changeups underrated because people don’t realize that its very hard to hit a pitch that’s 10 mph slower than you expect, even if it moves very little?
8:53
Dave Cameron: Change-ups are underrated because people think they don’t move much. The good ones move like crazy.
8:54
Dave Cameron: Lackey’s slider is really good tonight.
8:56
Comment From Gila Monster
Cole Hamels change = love.
8:56
Comment From semperty
Rob Neyer just pointed out that Carp was signed for $1,000….that’s incredible.
8:56
Dave Cameron: He was a college senior. They have no leverage.
8:57
Comment From Gads
Pedro’s change up was absurd.
8:57
Dave Cameron: Maybe the best pitch I’ve ever seen. Rivera’s cutter only competition, probably.
8:58
Dave Cameron: If Hall of Famers are made, not born, the new market inefficiency will be finding the HOFer factory.
8:58
Dave Cameron: That change-up is so good.
8:58
Comment From Aussie Mariner
Wacha curve sighting
8:59
Dave Cameron: Wacha came inside. Rare.
8:59
Comment From Brian
what is wacha’s floor? 2/3 even if the breaking pitch never gets to a ‘plus’ pitch?
9:00
Dave Cameron: He’s James Shields without the breaking ball. If he adds a plus slider, he’d be, I don’t know, the best pitcher in baseball or something.
9:00
Comment From John
Another filthy changeup.
9:00
Comment From chuckb
Filthy change!
9:01
Comment From John
and a get me over curve.
9:01
Dave Cameron: Curves are often taken for called strikes.
9:02
Comment From Guest
I mean, what can you even do as a hitter if a pitcher can consistently hit his spots in and out, up and down with 93-97, and has a change with the movement/deception of Wacha’s? If he doesn’t make you swing and miss, it’s likely he’s put the ball in a great spot and you’re fouling it away, popping it up, or weakly grounding out. Unfair.
9:02
Dave Cameron: Don’t miss it when they leave one hanging.
9:03
Comment From Floyd
Yadi vs Jacoby??????
9:03
Dave Cameron: Too early.
9:03
Comment From semperty
3 hits tonight in 3 innings and all three of them have been bloops.
9:04
Comment From semperty
*Medium depth fly ball* *every crowd on earth goes crazy*
9:04
Comment From Brian
if both bullpens start at the 6th inning, which bullpen has the advantage?
9:04
Dave Cameron: STL.
9:07
Dave Cameron: High fastball, imagine that.
9:07
Dave Cameron: And that high fastball is going for a triple.
9:07
Dave Cameron: Matt Holliday, still very good.
9:08
Jeff Zimmerman: Guess, I logged in to get the offense going.
9:08
Comment From Frank
Ellsbury misplayed that. Should know the bounce.
9:08
Dave Cameron: Not much you can do though.
9:08
Dave Cameron: Hi Jeff.
9:08
Comment From Sgt. Pepper
100% grit
9:09
Jeff Zimmerman: Hi Dave, I finally got me kids put to sleep.
9:09
Dave Cameron: “the most creative…”
9:09
Dave Cameron: Yes, diving is genius!
9:09
Comment From Evan
I have some of Pedroia’s original works of art.
9:09
Jeff Zimmerman: I am listening to the radio feed instead of Buck and McCarver, it seems to save brain cells.
9:09
Comment From Creative 2B
I might try fielding in short right to a pull heavy lefty!
9:10
Comment From Somebody
He’s like da Vinci
9:10
Comment From Jake
Is the radio laggy for you as well, Jeff?
9:10
Comment From Guest
smart play by Pedi, as hard as it must have been to concede a run with Wacha pitching
9:10
Jeff Zimmerman: A bit, but well worth it.
9:10
Comment From Tyler
wasnt creative enough to get the runner out at home!
9:12
Comment From David
A great base running team that’s league average in BsR
9:12
Dave Cameron: Given the speed of their players, though, that’s kind of impressive.
9:13
Comment From Frank
Do we know if Craig can play first in STL?
9:13
Dave Cameron: Unlikely.
9:13
Dave Cameron: Adams is good enough that there’s no need to force it.
9:14
Jeff Zimmerman: Craig is back too early, he probably won’t play 1B in StL, but we will see.
9:14
Dave Cameron: Pedroia’s collapse to get out of Drew’s way was very… pronounced.
9:14
Comment From DCinSTL
Would you say it was… creative?
9:14
Comment From Guest
I think you mean creative, Dave
9:14
Comment From Erik
It was a creative collapse
9:15
Comment From Sgt. Pepper
It was a work of art
9:15
Comment From Guest
needed to get more dirt on his uni
9:15
Comment From Floyd
wow, people type fast
9:15
Comment From Scruffy, the janitor
I like how the guy with the RBI bounce-out “produced” the run instead of the guy with the triple.
9:16
Comment From Mike Y.
anybody, and I mean anybody, can hit a triple with no one on and no pressure. It takes a real player to drive that run in with a meek groundout.
9:16
Dave Cameron: I like these Ford “And” commercials.
9:16
Dave Cameron: The sour chicken gets me every time.
9:17
Comment From Hank
While he obviously plays hard, is there a player who engages in more “false hustle” than Pedroia?
9:17
Dave Cameron: Miguel Olivo.
9:17
Comment From Casey
I wonder if that guy ever gets teased for being in a commercial and saying “I Wonder WHat These Nuts Are For”
9:17
Comment From Sgt. Pepper
Pedrioa making masterpieces in the batters box with his shoes
9:18
Comment From Tyler
dirty uni mention!
9:18
Comment From Weezy F
Too many Viagra ads
9:18
Comment From Guest
Win expectancy?
9:18
Dave Cameron: Pedroia crushed that.
9:19
Jeff Zimmerman: Pedroia didn’t fall for decoy.
9:19
Comment From Sgt. Pepper
Pedrioa moving to a more abstract expressionist phase with that double
9:19
Comment From Scruffy, the janitor
What would that little deke have accomplished? there was no one on base.
9:20
Comment From Fillie Fanatic
I’m kind of digging this hit speed tidbits.
9:20
Comment From Frank
Now hopefully we can get two consecutive right side groundballs to produce a run
9:20
Comment From RF
Wacha losing his command?
9:20
Dave Cameron: Or pitching around a big scary dude.
9:21
Jeff Zimmerman: Ortiz was the league leader in IBB, people pitched around all year.
9:21
Comment From Floyd
no harm in setting up the double play for napoli i guess
9:21
Comment From Scruffy, the janitor
Michael Walka
9:21
Comment From Big Pugg
Michael Walk-a
9:21
Dave Cameron: No creativity there, guys.
9:22
Dave Cameron: And that’s why you pitch around Ortiz.
9:22
Jeff Zimmerman: Look at the big brain on Floyd.
9:22
Comment From Floyd
called it
9:23
Dave Cameron: Wacha is just very good.
9:25
Comment From Meano Eno
Jonny Gomes is 5 – 30
9:25
Comment From Brian
Still don’t know why Gomes is in this game
9:25
Comment From chuckb
Wacha > Miller next year?
9:25
Dave Cameron: Yes.
9:25
Comment From Dusty Baker
Miller is dead.Everyone > Miller.
9:26
Comment From Kyle
Wacha > Cole??
9:26
Dave Cameron: Maybe.
9:26
Jeff Zimmerman: Good question, poll time.
9:29
Comment From David
Why does steamer have Wacha down for twice as many innings as Cole next year?
9:29
Dave Cameron: Ignore the playing time projections right now. They’re based on the depth charts, and STL/BOS only teams still playing.
9:29
Comment From Nick
off the base?
9:30
Dave Cameron: Looked like it from that last replay.
9:30
Jeff Zimmerman: Time for the deadly 3rd time through the lineup
9:31
Dave Cameron: Pretty nice inning for Stephen Drew.
9:32
Comment From Meano Eno
Why all the Pearl Jam?
9:32
Dave Cameron: Because they’re not lighting mups.
9:32
Jeff Zimmerman: Agree
9:32
Comment From RF
Man, was Drew this good defensively before his injury? Never realized how great he is at SS.
9:32
Dave Cameron: He’s been underrated for a while.
9:33
Comment From Meano Eno
“A partnership with Fox Sports will include extensive use of 48 Pearl Jam songs across the promotional and music beds for this month’s World Series coverage, set to air Oct. 23-31 on Fox, and feature the group’s music throughout November as Artist of the Month across all Fox Sports properties”
9:33
Dave Cameron: That sounds annoying.
9:34
Jeff Zimmerman: Very
9:34
Comment From Guest
Very,Very
9:34
Comment From Brian
i LOVE pearl jam AND baseball win win for me
9:34
Comment From Scruffy, the janitor
Boston fans would have liked Drew so much better if his name was Drew Stephens instead.
9:35
Jeff Zimmerman: The Red Sox best scoring chance will be the next couple of innings.
9:35
Dave Cameron: Truth.
9:36
Jeff Zimmerman: The 5th pitch was called a strike quite a bit this game.
9:37
Comment From Meano Eno
uggggggggggggggggggggh bunt
9:37
Comment From Mr. Wrestling IV
As bad as Drew has been, a bunt might be advisable
9:38
Dave Cameron: You don’t want to make decisions based on stuff like that.
9:38
Comment From Mr. Wrestling IV
You don’t want to take hitter quality into in game decisions?
9:39
Dave Cameron: Hitter quality isn’t decided on a week or two worth of PAs.
9:39
Comment From semperty
I would consider a .776 OPS quality….
9:40
Comment From Grand Admiral Braun
How does Bogaerts project defensively at SS?
9:40
Dave Cameron: Good enough.
9:40
Jeff Zimmerman: The scout on Gameday is a little faster than me, but Wacha’s speed is down at least 3 mph, maybe more.
9:41
Dave Cameron: Wacha’s change is maybe already top 10 in baseball.
9:41
Dave Cameron: At least among starters.
9:41
Comment From Erik
Who would you say has the best?
9:41
Dave Cameron: Strasburg, maybe.
9:42
Comment From Brian
jeff, any real data on throwing “too hard” as in straightening out the FB?
9:43
Jeff Zimmerman: All depends on spin on the pitch. The harder the pitch, less chance for gravity to affect it, so it will be straighter.
9:44
Comment From Tom
Next inning will be Boston’s best chance most likely. Victorino, Pedroia, Ortiz 3rd PA’s against a ‘tiring’ Wacha.
9:44
Comment From Nick
Wacha could make Votto pop up?
9:44
Comment From George
Sorry if this has already been addressed, but is there any major league pitcher that consistently throws his offspeed pitches from a different arm slot? McCarver seems to make a big deal out of it.
9:45
Dave Cameron: Bronson Arroyo changes arm angles all the time.
9:45
Jeff Zimmerman: Bruce Chen is another if you consider him a MLB pitcher.
9:45
Comment From Evan
I do not.
9:46
Comment From Fillie Fanatic
Seems like changing arm angles would be bad for you. Both health wise and results wise.
9:46
Comment From Brian
seems to me changing arm angles would help to alleviate wear and tear from the same ligaments/tendons
9:46
Jeff Zimmerman: Disagreements.
9:47
Dave Cameron: Changing arm angles will either hurt you or help you stay healthy. This has been brought to you by FanGraphs MD.
9:47
Comment From AJT
We should all just admit we know little.
9:47
Comment From Fillie Fanatic
At least we’ve eliminated the possibility that it has no effect at all.
9:47
Comment From Carlos Danger
Was that some Bruce Chen blasphemy?
9:47
Comment From Whirling darvish
Hey I’m a Twins fan so I consider Chen a #1 SP
9:48
Dave Cameron: Lackey’s breaking ball has been awesome.
9:49
Comment From Guest
E5
9:49
Dave Cameron: Will be ruled a hit, but should have made that.
9:49
Jeff Zimmerman: Radio is blaming the shift.
9:51
Dave Cameron: Okay, that Chromebook commercial was the worst thing ever.
9:51
Comment From Sgt. Pepper
75% of the Canadian commercials are about hockey. Stereotypes are real people.
9:52
Comment From Floyd
75% of American commercials are about movies, cars and erection pills.
9:52
Comment From Guest
What are the other 25%?
9:53
Comment From chuckb
Umm…beer says hello.
9:53
Comment From Tony M
Don’t forget the beer and car insurance.
9:53
Dave Cameron: Curveball alert.
9:53
Dave Cameron: Not a very good one, but got a strike.
9:53
Dave Cameron: Two straight curves!
9:53
Dave Cameron: Second one was better.
9:54
Dave Cameron: “Dana Demuth was right there” as if that would help him avoid an obviously bad call.
9:55
Dave Cameron: Surprised that STL doesn’t have anyone up in the pen.
9:55
Dave Cameron: This could get ugly in a hurry.
9:56
Jeff Zimmerman: Wacha picking up the velocity, but keeping the ball up.
9:56
Comment From XIII
I’d get Maness personally.
9:57
Dave Cameron: Ripped.
9:57
Dave Cameron: Managers will eventually stop asking their starters to get these outs.
9:58
Comment From George
2-1 change. Big leagues.
9:58
Dave Cameron: Third time through the order…
9:59
Comment From Carlos Danger
BOOM
9:59
Jeff Zimmerman: with a pitcher over 100 pitches
9:59
Comment From semperty
Unfortunately not even that home run will teach Matheny to pull his starters on time…
9:59
Comment From Ben
What a rally killer by Ortiz
9:59
Comment From Gads
Belt high fastball…
9:59
Comment From Bob
That was a pretty poor pitch. Ouch!
10:00
Comment From Erik
Nobody loves curtain calls more than David Ortiz.
10:00
Comment From jesse
So is not letting you starter go through the lineup a 3rd time in a close game the next “market inefficiency”?
10:00
Dave Cameron: In the postseason, yes.
10:01
Dave Cameron: In the regular season, tough to pull everyone early every day.
10:01
Jeff Zimmerman: I agree, especially will a loaded bullpen.
10:01
Comment From Guest
Having Shelby Miller sitting on the bench through the whole postseason is a huge inefficiency
10:02
Comment From Frank
It’s not just ‘3rd time through.’ It’s tiring, with a runner on, with their best hitter at the plate who’s seen you twice.
10:02
Dave Cameron: And has a significant platoon split. And you have a lefty out machine.
10:03
Dave Cameron: Wacha is very good, but that wasn’t too hard to see coming. That’s on Matheny.
10:03
Jeff Zimmerman: Freese playing defense, who knew?
10:04
Comment From Brian
if its hit at him he’s pretty good
10:05
Comment From Guest
Matheny has been slow to the bullpen the entire postseason.
10:05
Dave Cameron: Yep.
10:06
Comment From semperty
It’s not just the postseason, though….
10:07
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10:07
Dave Cameron: For those asking for a pupdate.
10:07
Dave Cameron: She sleeps that way.
10:07
Comment From lowercase jeff
Dave, hypothetically as a manager would you have a policy of always pulling pitchers before third time through the order?
10:07
Dave Cameron: No, always/never rules are silly. But would absolutely have a shorter hook than MLB managers do now, especially in postseason.
10:08
Comment From Neil
There’s something to be said for integrity, but the page view potential of including puppy images in FG posts is pretty high. Wife has grown much more interested in what I’m doing on the computer since pupdates became a thing.
10:09
Dave Cameron: We are not above pandering.
10:09
Comment From Seth
would you have lackey out there now?
10:09
Dave Cameron: Nope.
10:10
Comment From Meano Eno
Koji for 6 tonight right?
10:10
Dave Cameron: Probably, yes.
10:10
Comment From David
Any link to a classic times through the order piece? I know it’s conventional wisdom but I’ve never actually seen the studies.
10:11
Comment From Frank
Got to hook him now.
10:11
Dave Cameron: Staying with him.
10:11
Dave Cameron: Too much faith in the starters continues.
10:11
Jeff Zimmerman: Ortiz > Jay
10:12
Comment From Meano Eno
Thats a bold statement Jeff
10:12
Comment From Brian
i hope jay goes yard just to spite jeff
10:13
Dave Cameron: Better late than never.
10:14
Comment From Frank
You can tell from the lack of F bombs and whining that even Lackey knows it’s time to go.
10:14
Jeff Zimmerman: Farrell was getting a little greedy
10:14
Dave Cameron: Gotta pinch hit here. This could easily be game, Kozma defensive upgrade anyway.
10:14
Comment From Guest
1 batter too late. He knows, though, that the Cards really have no one to hit for Descalso. I guess the Cards could use Robinson. It’s either that or (gulp!) Matheny may ask Descalso to bunt.
10:15
Comment From Floyd
robinson?’
10:15
Comment From Guest
Kozma is PR for Freese. Mathenius everyone!
10:15
Dave Cameron: Huh.
10:16
Comment From Guest
Huh is right.
10:16
Comment From Aussie Mariner
What the.
10:16
Dave Cameron: How is pinch running more important than pinch hitting here?
10:17
Comment From Guest
Kozma can’t hit. Might as well make the speed useful.
10:17
Dave Cameron: Kozma vs LHPs way better than Descalso.
10:17
Comment From Meano Eno
Almost a Nick Punto
10:17
Dave Cameron: Not with one out.
10:17
Dave Cameron: Generous call.
10:19
Comment From Tom
I feel like I watched too many Reds games this year, because I really don’t know why the Cards are not bunting here.
10:19
Dave Cameron: Because there’s an out. Bunting guys to third with two outs isn’t helpful.
10:20
Jeff Zimmerman: Dave, you have not watch enough Ned Yost managed teams.

10:20
Comment From Guest
double steal!
10:20
Dave Cameron: If you were going to do that, why not earlier, when the SF was more likely since there were more pitches left in this AB?
10:22
Dave Cameron: And of course Descalso gets on and makes it all moot.
10:22
Comment From semperty
Is that call a repay of the generous first strike?
10:22
Dave Cameron: That was inside.
10:22
Comment From PAR
Anybody else think Fox has terrible camera angles?
10:22
Dave Cameron: The worst.
10:23
Dave Cameron: Clown shoes.
10:23
Comment From Meano Eno
WHAT
10:23
Comment From George
Baseball!
10:23
Comment From semperty
Yay defense!
10:23
Comment From Guest
Matheny is a genius!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
10:23
Comment From Ruki
Also, this World Series is creating the best series of gifs.
10:24
Comment From DCinSTL
Boston’s turn tonight.
10:24
Jeff Zimmerman: How long until we can get a .gif of that throw?
10:24
Comment From Frank
Did Breslow throw that?
10:24
Jeff Zimmerman: Yes
10:24
Comment From Evan
Gomes’d
10:24
Comment From George
Looked like Breslow threw a two-seamer.
10:25
Comment From Guest
E2 and E1.
10:25
Jeff Zimmerman: Breslow looks totally rattled. Historically, he is decent with runners on base.
10:25
Comment From Meano Eno
Error on Salty seems weird
10:25
Dave Cameron: Was a pretty easy catch to make.
10:26
Comment From Guest
Everyone who gives up a WS lead looks rattled.
10:26
Comment From paul
Thats what happens when you take out the starter too early. LOL
10:26
Comment From Mike Matheny
And the best part? Wacha is in line for the win!
10:26
Comment From Scruffy, the janitor
There was 0 to gain from Breslow throwing to third on that play.
10:27
Comment From Marcus A.
Not 0, he could have thrown him out if he didn’t take a crow hop and made a decent throw
10:27
Dave Cameron: Didn’t look like he had a real shot.
10:28
Comment From Crusty
Defensive miscues > managerial decisions.
10:28
Comment From Sgt. Pepper
Red Sox went from 50.1 WE to 31.9 on that play. Now at 20.4.
10:29
Comment From Evan
I wouldn’t rule out Matheny bringing Wacha out to start the bottom of the 7th. I’ll be yelling at the TV if he does, but I wouldn’t rule it out.
10:29
Comment From Floyd
is this the whitest world series possible?
10:29
Dave Cameron: The Utah Jazz could be in it.
10:30
Comment From Floyd
well, not *ever* ever
10:31
Comment From Special Ghost
Should Koji have replace Lackey?
10:31
Dave Cameron: Breslow was right call.
10:32
Comment From Guest
Against Descalso and Carp with no good options on the bench. LOOGY was the way to go.
10:33
Dave Cameron: Well, he might not sing America the Beautiful
10:33
Dave Cameron: Maybe he’ll sing something else again.
10:33
Comment From Mr. Wrestling IV
Isn’t that cute, my DVR thinks it’s time for the postgame show
10:33
Jeff Zimmerman: Time to get some snacks
10:33
Comment From Evan
This is going to take awhile…
10:33
Comment From semperty
That dude in the “Boston Strong” shirt has no idea what to do with his hands right now
10:34
Comment From Ron Burgandy
What do I do with my hands?
10:35
Comment From Gila Monster
How much does Koji get this off-season?
10:35
Dave Cameron: His option vested.
10:36
Comment From Guest
How much does Wacha get this offseason?
10:36
Comment From Hank
I’m still amazed that even if Gomes made a good throw, he probably wouldn’t have gotten the runner at the plate. He was what 200-250ft from home?
10:36
Dave Cameron: Yeah, he’s not very good out there.
10:36
Comment From Cannamore
so, America the beautiful, take me out to the ballgame, and Sweet Caroline? I’m gonna run to the liquor store. Anyone need anything?
10:37
Comment From PAR
Sweet Caroline is the 8th
10:38
Comment From Guest
Martinez 2 IP, Rosenthal 2 IP, or in between?
10:38
Dave Cameron: Probably Martinez for two.
10:38
Jeff Zimmerman: “the key is to the keep the batter off the base”
10:39
Comment From Guest
NICE PLAY! KOZMA REDEEMED! CAPS!!!
10:40
Comment From semperty
Dang….
10:40
Comment From Brian
take kozma’s glove away from him, thats obviously the problem
10:40
Comment From Steff
He should play without a glove.
10:41
Comment From Hank
Fastest 3 outs all series? We might be back on a mere 4hour pace now!
10:43
Dave Cameron: American Idol is still a thing?
10:43
Comment From Guest
They have celebrities on now though. Dave Matthews won it last year.
10:45
Dave Cameron: Well I guess Doubront isn’t starting Game 4.
10:45
Comment From Hank
Workman a starter or reliever long term?
10:45
Dave Cameron: Starter.
10:46
Comment From George
Wrong, Dave, according to McCarver, “He could just be throwing without rhyme or reason.”
10:46
Comment From Guest
Martinez and or Rosenthal become starters eventually?
10:46
Dave Cameron: No.
10:48
Dave Cameron: Pan to guy in Cardinals hat. “He’s from St. Louis, right?”
10:48
Comment From Meano Eno
JON HAMM DAVE NOT JUST SOME GUY
10:48
Dave Cameron: I don’t know who that is.
10:49
Comment From Guest
My roommate just found out his mom has leukemia. Discharged from hospital, home to hospice, one to two months left. How about those Cardinals?
10:49
Dave Cameron: Oh man, I’m sorry.
10:49
Dave Cameron: Screw Leukemia.
10:49
Comment From George
Jeff, do your data suggest that Bucholz is hurt?
10:51
Jeff Zimmerman: He was before the end of the season, velocity and Zone% were down. He really hasn’t improved since then
10:52
Comment From Meano Eno
Still time for a grand slam
10:52
Dave Cameron: Gotta make that play.
10:53
Comment From semperty
Ellsbury v. Molina now?!
10:53
Dave Cameron: No way you send him. No way.
10:53
Jeff Zimmerman: A home run would be such a rally killer
10:53
Comment From chuckb
Yep. This almost certainly brings Ortiz to the plate this inning. I wonder if Choate’s warming now!
10:54
Comment From semperty
It was too early to send him before…too risky to send him now. Are you just implying you shouldn’t run on Yadi?
10:54
Dave Cameron: Tying run at the plate. You don’t run.
10:54
Dave Cameron: Tough pitch.
10:55
Comment From Marcus A.
That was actually fairly hittable… was Victorino trying to get that pitch to hit his arm?
10:55
Dave Cameron: 95, diving in, stops on the corner… yeah, that wasn’t hittable.
10:55
Comment From Hank
Too lazy to look it up… is Martinez up there in terms of movement on his 2 seamer – seems like a ton of armside run given the velocity
10:55
Dave Cameron: The most. Of anyone.
10:56
Comment From Brian
martinez’s ball must look like a whiffle ball, on steroids, alert bud selig
10:57
Dave Cameron: I don’t think injecting a whiffle ball with steroids would be very helpful.
10:57
Dave Cameron: Martinez’s slider is sick.
10:57
Comment From Sgt. Pepper
Artistic swing and a miss
10:58
Comment From semperty
Long term starter? Long reliever? Set-up man? Closer?
10:58
Dave Cameron: Probably a reliever.
10:58
Dave Cameron: Sticking with the RHP again.
10:58
Dave Cameron: Amazing.
10:59
Dave Cameron: This is not Mike Matheny’s finest day.
10:59
Comment From Brian
isnt choate on the roster specifically for ortiz?
10:59
Comment From Mike Matheny
Why is Choate on the team if not for that spot?
10:59
Jeff Zimmerman: He doesn’t seem to have many of “good days”.
11:00
Comment From chuckb
This is the ballgame here.
11:00
Dave Cameron: I’d probably have Rosenthal in here.
11:01
Comment From kp
** heart resumes beating **
11:01
Comment From Frank
Nava to lead off the ninth surely?
11:02
Comment From Guest
Gomes OBP this post season is .212
11:02
Comment From PAR
is FanGraphs down?
11:02
Dave Cameron: Looks like it.
11:03
Comment From Brian
the cards should have 15 position players on the roster with the way matheny has managed so far
11:03
Jeff Zimmerman: And they all wouldn’t be able to hit.
11:04
Comment From Guest
15? more like 18.
11:05
Dave Cameron: 1 walk since ASB. Still hilarious.
11:06
Comment From Guest
why on earth bring koji in to this game?
11:06
Dave Cameron: To keep the game close, give him work.
11:06
Jeff Zimmerman: Off day tomorrow, not a big deal IMO.
11:06
Dave Cameron: Drew looks like every play is a total panic.
11:07
Comment From Guest
eh i guess thats true. he does get through every inning on like 9 pitches
11:08
Comment From Mike Y.
Would it kill Drew to plant and throw?
11:08
Dave Cameron: Maybe. He is a Drew.
11:08
Jeff Zimmerman: Maybe the Cards could use Rosenthal at SS, he played there in college.
11:09
Comment From PAR
pinch Nava for Gomes, Middlebrooks for Drew?
11:09
Dave Cameron: Gomes.
11:10
Dave Cameron: The double steal didn’t do anything, Fox.
11:10
Dave Cameron: Descalso walked.
11:11
Comment From Guest
Rosenthal hit 100 this inning? 101?
11:11
Comment From Mike Y.
No Nava. Unbelievable.
11:11
Comment From Meano Eno
#freenava
11:11
Jeff Zimmerman: starting out at 96
11:11
Comment From Mike Matheny
hah gomes batting. farrell will not be outdone by matheny.
11:11
Comment From Frank
I don’t understand
11:12
Comment From paul
Something tells me we see Nava starting game 3
11:12
Jeff Zimmerman: I should go talk to Rosenthal’s college coach, their campus is just a few miles down the road.
11:12
Dave Cameron: He already said that he would be.
11:13
Dave Cameron: Nava is going to hit for Drew, not Gomes?
11:13
Dave Cameron: I… don’t… get… it.
11:14
Comment From semperty
You’re from Kansas City, Jeff?! I never knew cool people lived in the same place I did.
11:14
Jeff Zimmerman: Actually down by Wichita, Cowley County is few miles away.
11:14
Dave Cameron: Worth noting, Rosenthal is filthy, no matter who is hitting.
11:15
Jeff Zimmerman: Insane
11:15
Comment From John Farrell
3 K’s on what, like 12 pitches. Stunning.
11:15
Dave Cameron: 11.
11:15
Comment From Guest
Bad game, good result.
11:15
Comment From Brian
if rosenthal developed a kimbrel slider, would the universe explode?
11:16
Dave Cameron: Alright, Paul and Klaassen will be here on Saturday. Thanks for hanging out everyone.



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  1. Pghparker says:

    “The really tall wall.” Way to differentiate from the Green Monster….

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