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  1. Agreed!!

    Comment by Ray — February 27, 2012 @ 11:21 am

  2. how concerned are you about arencibia struggling early and giving way to d’arnaud in june?

    Comment by jcxy — February 27, 2012 @ 11:21 am

  3. I tend to agree. I don’t believe I’ve owned Joe Mauer immediately post-Draft/Auction (I traded for him in a 2 catcher roto league last year & burnt up a bench spot for some time) since hs rookie year due to the fact that it seems his name always drives up his perceived value some. He’s probably come back to the pack somewhat, but I much prefer Buster Posey as far as 2011 injury guys go.

    Comment by The Thin White Duke — February 27, 2012 @ 11:22 am

  4. If Miguel Montero or Alex Avila are still on the board, you’re a fool for taking Mauer. If you’re going to take a flier in the 7th round, grab Matt Moore early. But gambling with picks that early just seems like a fool’s errand.

    Comment by Oliver — February 27, 2012 @ 11:22 am

  5. It’s hard to even call Mauer the best catcher in his own division anymore.

    Comment by John — February 27, 2012 @ 11:27 am

  6. Yes…and the even more concerning thing is Mauer has vague injuries that have no definite beginning and ending. Bilateral leg weakness? WTF is that? How do I know it’s not going to come back?

    I’d have no problem taking Mauer in, say, the 12th round, but no way is he falling that far. More power to the people who take him, I guess.

    Comment by Hunter — February 27, 2012 @ 11:30 am

  7. That’s probably because he isn’t. Alex Avila is a far superior real life catcher to me even when assuming some sort of overall offensive regression in 2012.

    Comment by Major Tom — February 27, 2012 @ 11:30 am

  8. This arguement was being made this time last year on Ian Kinsler.

    It seems this same arguement would apply to Hanley this year would it not? I’m taking the other side and banking on Mauer’s ave and obp to allow me to take someone like Chris Davis, Pedro Alvarez, etc later.

    Comment by d_i — February 27, 2012 @ 11:31 am

  9. I’ll definitely consider him that high, 5th C seems about right. Depends a bit on who’s left, both at C and other positions. ZiPS, CAIRO, and PECOTA all seem to think he’s bouncing back this year.

    Comment by John — February 27, 2012 @ 11:49 am

  10. I’m with d_i this year. Given they brought in Doumit, I could see Mauer playing a lot of days at something other than catcher. Give an elite hitter more at bats, with less wear on his body over a season, and I’d have a hard time passing on him in the 10th. I’m in a one catcher league though…they all go later than ADP.

    Comment by jimbo — February 27, 2012 @ 11:50 am

  11. In 10/12 team leagues, catcher is pretty deep. Gambling on mauer in the 6/7 range is probably a great play if you actually want to win. If he goes down you scoop a mesoraco, martin, soto et al you’re not up the proverbial creek. And in the 6/7th, mauer actually provides plenty of value.

    Comment by pat g — February 27, 2012 @ 11:53 am

  12. Wow is Alex Avila that good defensively? I think Mauer’s offensive contributions (when healthy) dwarf Avila’s, so I’d have to assume Avila is a monster on defense to be superior overall to Mauer. I don’t know anything about Avila’s defense so this is a real question, not rhetorical.

    Comment by drewcorb — February 27, 2012 @ 12:12 pm

  13. Why on earth would he not bounce back, yes injuries but you cannot predict them, no matter how injury pron you believe a guy is. I will probably not be drafting Mauer anywhere just bc I choose to wait on C most often but def think Mauer will bounce back, no reason to beleive he wont bat .320+ w/ 75+ rbis, think he could step that up to w/ more 1b/DH pt…..I would not be so quick to annoint Alex Avila the best C in AL CEntral

    Comment by Tvators — February 27, 2012 @ 12:20 pm

  14. ell-oh-ell

    Avila is a fine player, loved having him on my team last year, but he’s got a long way to go to be a *snort* “far superior real life catcher” to Mauer.

    Comment by Adam B — February 27, 2012 @ 12:30 pm

  15. Soto? Arencibia? really? is the difference in value of the player you would gain in the 5th really that much better?

    Comment by adohaj — February 27, 2012 @ 12:48 pm

  16. In standard 5×5 Kinsler was a much better bet–the payoff is higher. Kinsler’s going to give you piles of HRs, SBs, RBIs and Rs, if he’s healthy. Same argument with Hanley–his bounceback, if it happens is a much higher payoff.

    Mauer’s only going to give you average and C eligibility, if he’s healthy. His lineup sucks too much to provide serious value in counting stats, and let’s be honest, if he hits 10 HRs it’s going to be a miracle. Though maybe he’ll stay healthy if he’s at 1B most of the year.

    If we’re in an OBP league, I’d look at Mauer more carefully, but in standard 5×5, I just don’t see it. Given who else you can draft in the 7th round, no thanks.

    Comment by Oliver — February 27, 2012 @ 1:08 pm

  17. That was a low blow on Hamilton. Unnecessary, IMO.

    Comment by SteveJobs — February 27, 2012 @ 1:11 pm

  18. Insert joke *here* about blow

    Comment by Oliver — February 27, 2012 @ 1:26 pm

  19. “Given the fact that he is still roughly the fifth catcher off the board, it doesn’t seem like too many people are concerned with his recovery/health.”

    I think the fact that he’s fifth off the board means people ARE concerned about his health. If he were guaranteed healthy, he’s no worse than third, and probably first. To me, pricing in the risk, I’d rank him behind Santana, McCann, Napoli, and Wieters for sure. He’s in the conversation with Posey, Wieters, Avila, and the Monteros for that 4–9 range. I’m not sure there’s really any right answer as to relative ranking; it’s just a matter of risk aversion and team fit.

    That said, I’m probably still waiting for Ramos or Mesoraco at a few bucks.

    Comment by davisnc — February 27, 2012 @ 1:55 pm

  20. I’m in a 20-team keeper and have to keep him in the 2nd round (38 overall) simply because I don’t anticipate there being other catchers to really work with. It’s painful.

    Comment by KJ — February 27, 2012 @ 2:05 pm

  21. not very right now. I think they give JPA the full year. They love his power potential and may be willing to forgo average if it means 20+ jacks. D’Arnaud needs a full year in Triple-A anyway.

    Comment by Howard Bender — February 27, 2012 @ 2:06 pm

  22. I can see that. My league is actually 8×6 with slug, RC, and OBP being the extra so that’s a pretty solid boost for Mauer’s value.

    Comment by d_i — February 27, 2012 @ 2:07 pm

  23. It’s an upside play, that’s all. I snagged him in Ottoneu for $18 because I think that the Twins are going to baby him at 1B/DH this year, especially with Morneau looking like he’s done for good.

    But, i”m doing linear weights points, so all those walks and doubles are especially valuable.

    Comment by Eminor3rd — February 27, 2012 @ 2:38 pm

  24. That was a low blow on Hambone. It was a wise crack, too. Ooops… It happened again. Blow… Crack… I’d better pipe down, I sound as smart as a bag of rocks. Darn it!

    Comment by deadhead — February 27, 2012 @ 4:11 pm

  25. You’re crazy. No matter how bad the scrub is you plug in at catcher, Joe Mauer ain’t worth a second round pick.

    Comment by Blue — February 27, 2012 @ 9:00 pm

  26. Got him in a nice mid late round run.

    8th Stras
    9th Heyward
    10th Moore
    11th Mauer
    12th A Jones
    13th crawford

    Comment by rickeycanstillplay — February 27, 2012 @ 10:17 pm

  27. I think he may be overvalued in my AL only league, since it’s an auction league and after him the next best options are Ianetta and Suzuki (Santana, Wieters, Napoli, Salty will all be kept). I was originally hoping he’d come at a value price :(

    Comment by Congo Hammer — February 28, 2012 @ 8:09 am

  28. Remember a few years ago some people taking Joe Mauer in the 1st round, coming off of a 28-HR season? Hilarity.

    Comment by kid — February 28, 2012 @ 10:20 am

  29. I would still take Mauer as a top 5 C in my H2H points league. The BB/K factor is too nice to pass up. He’ll still rack up a ton of doubles and bat over .300. He was by far the number 1 catcher in 2010 even without any power (in my points league).

    Comment by Matt Metzinger — February 28, 2012 @ 7:58 pm

  30. A little context on his injury history would be helpful here.
    Rookie year – Knee injury: safe to say he recovered well.
    2009 – kidney obstruction (not a back injury): After surgery, he had the best season ever produced by a catcher, was AL batting champ and AL MVP. All of that w/o Spring Training.
    2011 – arthroscopic knee surgery in December, 2010: He never recovered. He was limited in games played and had a horrible season by his standards, but still hit above league averages.

    Mauer is arguably the best catcher in the history of baseball, he’s only 28, he plays everyday (DH, 1B), he has Doumit to reduce his catching time and he’s healthy right now.

    Comment by John — February 29, 2012 @ 3:12 pm

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