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  1. You guys didn’t spend much time with this. Luebke and Moore are SP’s and I don’t see Brett Myers.


    Comment by Aaron — March 9, 2012 @ 9:22 am

  2. Relievers turned starters is explained in the second graph.

    But, you’re right. No Brett Myers listed here.

    Comment by Alex — March 9, 2012 @ 9:56 am

  3. this was pretty much explained in the opening…moore and luebke are currently RP or dual-eligibility in most formats, and myers only qualifies as an SP to start the season. it looks like everyone except jeff was strictly going by current eligibility in their rankings. the one ranking that confuses me is zach putting matt moore at 28–i can understand not ranking him among RPs, but it’s hard to see how he’s not top 5 at an absolute minimum on this list if you are going to rank him.

    Comment by juan pierres mustache — March 9, 2012 @ 9:58 am

  4. Oh, duh! It totally slipped my mind that Myers is not yet RP eligible.

    Comment by Alex — March 9, 2012 @ 10:04 am

  5. Frank Francisco is the Mets closers and btw…..he’s pretty good. Was unfairly removed quickly from the closer role in Texas in favor of Feliz two years ago. He’s been a little unlucky at times, but still has good stuff. I don’t see any competition for that job.

    He’s ranked 36th, and was unranked by one voter? Gimme a break.

    Comment by Steve — March 9, 2012 @ 10:14 am

  6. Yea im an idiot about the Moore and Leubke comment, I didn’t read the first few grafs, I went straight to the list.

    Comment by Aaron — March 9, 2012 @ 10:24 am

  7. I think Zimmerman was ranking on something other than baseball ability.

    Comment by Kevin — March 9, 2012 @ 10:47 am

  8. Agreed, Francisco is way too low. Decent job security due to lack of options, and he’s better than a lot of the guys ahead of him. Matt Capps? Really?

    Comment by EarlSweatshirt — March 9, 2012 @ 10:53 am

  9. Ha! I like the comments. As if these guys who write 5-10 articles about fantasy baseball a week 365 days a year don’t know that Matt Moore and Cory Luebke are starting pitchers.

    Comment by Kevin — March 9, 2012 @ 11:30 am

  10. I can’t believe you guys let me see your pictures.

    Comment by philosofool — March 9, 2012 @ 11:46 am

  11. I don’t know why this would be the year Mo gets old. Its his last year, he’ll probably throw like he’s 25 again, not give up a run, and walk off into the sunset as cherubs sing a heart melting rendition of “Enter Sandman.”

    Comment by Big Baby — March 9, 2012 @ 11:56 am

  12. i have read the second paragraph, and i still think putting SPs like moore and luebke in these rankings is dumb. i understand the eligibility thing. but they’ll get SP eligibility after a few minutes, and nobody’s actually debating whether to draft matt moore or sergio santos. i mean maybe they are, but not as similar commodities.

    it just makes the rankings harder to look at and think about. it’s distracting without being useful.

    they wouldn’t fall out of the ranking universe if you just made an executive decision to put them in the SP rankings. you can make a note of the fact that they’ll be dual eligible or RP-only for the first couple weeks. but you could do it. the police wouldn’t come. it’s your website. you can do whatever you want.

    Comment by wily mo — March 9, 2012 @ 12:20 pm

  13. for the record i feel the same way about putting napoli and santana in the 1B rankings. yes, they’re eligible there, but… who cares

    Comment by wily mo — March 9, 2012 @ 12:22 pm

  14. and finally let me just say that i feel like the fact that luebke somehow wound up ranked higher than moore kind of proves my point here. what do those rankings even mean? nothing. literally nothing at all. they convey zero useful information, literally.

    Comment by wily mo — March 9, 2012 @ 12:27 pm

  15. I read the opening paragraphs, and I still think it’s ridiculous to put guys like Sale and Bard and Luebke onto this list (or leave them out of the list of SPs). When I draft, I’m drafting for the season, not for the first week of eligibility. They’re going to be starters, not relievers, and that’s where they should be ranked.

    Comment by chris weinmann — March 9, 2012 @ 12:28 pm

  16. it is very difficult to see why anyone, anywhere would not agree with this

    Comment by wily mo — March 9, 2012 @ 12:31 pm

  17. I completely agree with you. Rank starting pitchers with starters and relievers with relievers. And you’re right about Napoli, too. Who cares? The positional eligibility might theoretically come in handy, but no one in their right mind would draft him to play 1B. This is supposed to help people with their drafts, right?

    Comment by chris weinmann — March 9, 2012 @ 12:34 pm

  18. My specific problem is that in the next few days (we draft over about a month-long period), I’m going to be faced with the decision whether to draft all three of those guys. I’d really like hear how people think they’re going to be. As to Luebke, I think we have a decent idea. As to Bard and Sale, I really don’t know. I’d love some guidance on that.

    Comment by chris weinmann — March 9, 2012 @ 12:38 pm

  19. is this ranking based on Saves and holds too? (I am sure the saves mean they are more valuable) or Ks, WHIP, ERA, BAA? Because in my league we put holds and saves together and added the BAA category. I like the “hold” aspect of fantasy because you can manage actually manage your bullpen more realistically and not just throw a crappy closer in because he might get saves. I would rather have a better setup man than a shitty closer.

    Comment by Bryan — March 9, 2012 @ 12:46 pm

  20. Just to respond to the comments and putting Sale, Moore, etc on this list…

    the problem is that Yahoo ONLY gives them RP eligibility. They are not SP eligibile right now and so the tool at FantasyPros will not allow us to rank them with the starters. They either get ranked as RPs or don’t get ranked at all. So, pick your poison!

    Comment by Mike Podhorzer — March 9, 2012 @ 12:46 pm

  21. No, these rankings, and all others, are based on the standard 5×5 categories.

    Comment by Mike Podhorzer — March 9, 2012 @ 12:47 pm

  22. I guess if you’re beholden to the tool at FantasyPros, that’s the way it goes. I do think it’s basically worthless to do it this way. Maybe when you do the Starter rankings, you could let us know in the intro what you think of those guys.

    Comment by taprat — March 9, 2012 @ 12:53 pm

  23. Ummm, guys? I get hurt for one year and I’m no longer a relevant player on a team that should win 90+ games? Especially with Mr. Robertson’s mysterious foot injury!?

    Let’s not forget, the only reason he was the 8th inning guy was because I let him be last yer – he’s just returning the favor this time around!

    Comment by Rafael Soriano — March 9, 2012 @ 1:36 pm

  24. LOL at Rivera as the 17th ranked RP. Honestly just stupid.

    Comment by jordy — March 9, 2012 @ 1:49 pm

  25. Seriously. completely ridiculous

    Comment by Steve — March 9, 2012 @ 2:39 pm

  26. Eno did a good job of explaining the exclusions in his intro. We’re definitely looking at ways to make things more flexible in the future and this feedback is very helpful.

    I think it’s a little harsh to call the rankings worthless though. The expert’s opinions about the relative value of the players listed in the rankings are still valid. Yank out Luebke, Moore, and Sale, and Eno still likes Riviera over Axford. That’s easy to see in the rankings.

    It would definitely be cool to know where these expected starters would be drafted among the SP’s. There are also some interesting draft strategy questions that come up given how sites like Yahoo work off of current eligibility, not expected eligibility.

    Comment by dave_fantasypros — March 9, 2012 @ 2:51 pm

  27. Why are Mr. Zimmerman’s picks are so far out of line? Or, stated another way, why was Frankie Frank not worthy of his list, but Nick Masset made the cut?

    Comment by Eric — March 9, 2012 @ 3:10 pm

  28. I wasn’t saying the rankings themselves are worthless. Just worthless as they relate to Bard, Luebke and Sale. Sorry for the miscommunication there.

    Comment by taprat — March 9, 2012 @ 5:03 pm

  29. I based my ranking 100% off of projections. I will go more in detail later, but will give a quick summary here.

    The problem with Relievers is the Saves category. I thought The Fans would have a better idea of who would be closers vice using projections based on the previous year’s numbers. I may have to change my values to some like 50% Fans, 10% for each of the other 5 systems. For example, here are 3 pitchers I seem to have off (I don’t even consider Wins in my formula):

    Name: Saves (Fans),WHIP(average),Ks(average),ERA(average)
    Marmol: 44,1.33,96.0,3.31
    Betancourt: 36,1.04,69.5,2.87
    Rivera: 36,1.03,52.8,2.61

    Marmol’s Save value. from the Fans, and Ks are off the charts.

    With Betancourt, his stats work out to almost be the same as Rivera’s, but with more K’s.

    On Fancisco, I for some reason did not run the numbers on him. I will update him soon.

    Comment by Jeff Zimmerman — March 9, 2012 @ 5:15 pm

  30. yeah, biiiiiiig mistake.

    Comment by JDanger — March 10, 2012 @ 11:54 am

  31. the guy got luebke ranked so high yet moore @28… lol at that.

    zach sanders is a tool.

    Comment by 23113223123 — March 10, 2012 @ 1:09 pm

  32. srsly zach sanders got luebke @ 2 and moore @ 28

    Comment by 23113223123 — March 10, 2012 @ 1:10 pm

  33. Look at Mariano’s ranking and explain how much they “know” again?

    Comment by BoKnows — March 11, 2012 @ 3:11 pm

  34. How do guys get into your rankings without “running the numbers” on them?

    Completely irresponsible nonsense. Your list is pure crap.

    Comment by BoKnows — March 11, 2012 @ 3:15 pm

  35. Put Jonny Venters on the list of people ranked too low. In his case, WAY too low.

    Comment by dcracker — March 11, 2012 @ 8:03 pm

  36. I can only assume that this whole series is a paid tie-in with FantasyPros, because otherwise I don’t know why you even bother continuing it given all the hate that has come from it.

    Comment by Zac — March 12, 2012 @ 11:39 am

  37. You don’t have to read the free information.

    Comment by rickeycanstillplay — March 12, 2012 @ 3:49 pm

  38. As much as I don’t like the hatin, seems this year fangraphs is going quantity over quality. So much to read through, not so much value. Love the stats and tools still!

    Comment by jimbo — March 23, 2012 @ 2:23 am

  39. Perhaps job security is being undervalued by some here. I imagine guys like Betancourt and Santos are going to be on a much shorter leash than Bell and Wilson. Bell and Wilson seem like locks to stay in the role and get ~40 saves if they are healthy, but Betancourt and Santos could be yanked at any time after a few blown saves.

    With the limited innings that RPs give us, I’m not interested in putting also those saves at risk for better ratios.

    Comment by Jason — March 26, 2012 @ 1:14 am

  40. I know this is for fantasy baseball but even then how can anyone put Rivera 17th? That’s just asinine. Last year, Rivera was fourth among relievers and the season before that he “had a down year” and dropped to 7 due to the fact he had a low season K total. Rivera is a lock for 60+IP, 35+ saves (Probably a lot more this season due to the Yankees improved rotation), a whip below 1.00 (He’s average for the past four seasons is 0.82) and a below 2.00 ERA (1.71 ERA for past four seasons). It’s not like Rivera’s skills are declining, either. His cutter averaged 91.6MPH last season, up from the previous two seasons where he averaged 91.3 and 91.1MPH. Barring injury, which also isn’t likely since Rivera has only pitched under 60 innings once in his career, which was all the way back in 2002 when he threw 46 innings, Rivera is basically a lock to be a top five reliever in fantasy.

    Comment by Ryan — March 26, 2012 @ 5:58 am

  41. Even if Wilson is healthy I don’t see him getting 40+ saves. I don’t think the Giants are going to give him a huge workload this season and risk injury. Plus, there is just no reason to give Wilson a huge amount of innings this year with how loaded the Giants’ pen is right now. Romo and Casilla are both studs and more than capable of taking on the mantle of closer. Affeldt and Lopez are even capable as well.

    I mean, the first sign of any sort of soreness for Wilson and I could see the Giants shutting him down for a week, maybe even throwing him on the DL just to be safe.

    Comment by Ryan — March 26, 2012 @ 6:14 am

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