Agreed. Aviles should be taken before anyone in the fourth tier save for the Cuban Missile (and maybe Scutaro). I’d imagine this was just an oversight.
I don’t share your high hopes, but I have medium hopes. Would take him for sure over a bunch of guys in the last tier here (especially now that Iglesias was sent down, phew). Position flexibility will make him more valuable, too.
The problem with J.J. Hardy is that people overestimate the value of HRs and underestimate the value of BA and SB. If he hits 25 homeruns in c. 650 PAs, I peg him as the 9th best SS in 5×5 formats, just about even with Alexei Ramirez who should bring 10 fewer HR, but compensate with 10 SB (vs. Hardy’s 0) and a higher BA.
I’m also curious about Aviles (I wound up taking him after missing the top 10 or so ss’s, and I figured the difference between any of the rest and him wasn’t worth multiple draft rounds)
In ESPN, Eric Sogard is SS eligible – any thoughts on whether he’s likely to stick & get enough AB’s to be worth using a SS spot for? (If he can get AB’s, I’d be shocked if he can’t outperform many of the 4th tier & below here)
Except he hits his 25 in only about 400 PA cause he is never healthy for a whole season. Platoon him with a better AVG SS that will get you 8-10 SBs in the 30 games or so hardy misses, and you get a pretty nice player.
“Barring any type of injury, Tulowitzki is going to hold the crown as the top fantasy shortstop for some time.”
I disagree with this statement. Hanley has outproduced Tulo in the past and could easily do so again in the future. In fact, I think it’s likely that he does this year.
Oh yeah, no problem, just pair him with a shortstop that can steal 8-10 bases with a good average in 30 games. That projects out to 43 steals in 162 games, plus a good average. You aren’t finding that unless Elvis Andrus is sitting on waivers in your league dude.
Good to see Brandon Crawford finally making the bottom of a list like this. He’s a sleeper of sleepers. I wouldn’t draft him , but he should be watched closely by people who have 3′rd and 4′th tier SS’s. Don’t be shocked if he puts up better numbers than some of those guys.
Right, is there any reason to expect major regression from last year’s numbers? Haven’t seen any. Seems like he’s morphed into a player with a fairly stable skill set. Even if we assume some downward projections in his numbers, he’s still a pretty good bat.
That’s if you choose to ignore last seasons .325 BABIP that was 50 points higher than the previous season, which had declined 4 consecutive seasons prior to last year
lmb says:
April 3, 2012 at 2:18 pm
no Bartlett?
Pat says:
April 3, 2012 at 2:35 pm
For where you would have had to draft HanRam this year (early 2nd round) that rock bottom floor he showed us last year is too scary.
st says:
April 3, 2012 at 2:44 pm
yea i would take bartlett over Pastornicky
Ron says:
April 3, 2012 at 2:55 pm
I’m surprised to see Escobar so low in the Tiers. What’s the justification for a player who produced 4.0+ WAR last year?
Coach Mike says:
April 3, 2012 at 2:57 pm
Mike Aviles? I have high hopes (natural high hopes. not the herb variety) for him this season. Your thoghts? TIA
Anthony says:
April 3, 2012 at 3:07 pm
Escobar was 4 war almost all glove. Who gives a damn about his glove in fantasy.
Chris K says:
April 3, 2012 at 3:16 pm
Agreed. Aviles should be taken before anyone in the fourth tier save for the Cuban Missile (and maybe Scutaro). I’d imagine this was just an oversight.
JoeC says:
April 3, 2012 at 3:18 pm
Isn’t Kinsler batting leadoff for the Rangers and not Andrus?
MustBunique says:
April 3, 2012 at 3:21 pm
I don’t share your high hopes, but I have medium hopes. Would take him for sure over a bunch of guys in the last tier here (especially now that Iglesias was sent down, phew). Position flexibility will make him more valuable, too.
Mike S says:
April 3, 2012 at 3:38 pm
Lol no Met even gets recognized. I love my team.
Luke says:
April 3, 2012 at 3:41 pm
Yes, he is. This is a poorly done article IMO. Several errors and exclusions.
mcbrown says:
April 3, 2012 at 3:58 pm
The problem with J.J. Hardy is that people overestimate the value of HRs and underestimate the value of BA and SB. If he hits 25 homeruns in c. 650 PAs, I peg him as the 9th best SS in 5×5 formats, just about even with Alexei Ramirez who should bring 10 fewer HR, but compensate with 10 SB (vs. Hardy’s 0) and a higher BA.
kid says:
April 3, 2012 at 4:29 pm
Agree 100%. His floor is terrifying.
kid says:
April 3, 2012 at 4:33 pm
Yeah, Yunel is a great real-life player… but only a slightly above-average fantasy option.
Eric says:
April 3, 2012 at 5:32 pm
I’m also curious about Aviles (I wound up taking him after missing the top 10 or so ss’s, and I figured the difference between any of the rest and him wasn’t worth multiple draft rounds)
In ESPN, Eric Sogard is SS eligible – any thoughts on whether he’s likely to stick & get enough AB’s to be worth using a SS spot for? (If he can get AB’s, I’d be shocked if he can’t outperform many of the 4th tier & below here)
theeiffeltower says:
April 3, 2012 at 5:34 pm
Yeah Aviles and Cozart should both be around the bottom to the middle of the fourth tier. Definitely better than Pennington, Crawford and the like.
Anthony says:
April 3, 2012 at 7:01 pm
Except he hits his 25 in only about 400 PA cause he is never healthy for a whole season. Platoon him with a better AVG SS that will get you 8-10 SBs in the 30 games or so hardy misses, and you get a pretty nice player.
AJ says:
April 3, 2012 at 7:27 pm
“Barring any type of injury, Tulowitzki is going to hold the crown as the top fantasy shortstop for some time.”
I disagree with this statement. Hanley has outproduced Tulo in the past and could easily do so again in the future. In fact, I think it’s likely that he does this year.
Erik Archer says:
April 3, 2012 at 7:33 pm
I too have medium hopes for Aviles, and would gladly take him over anyone below Bonifacio, yes sir I would.
AJ says:
April 3, 2012 at 7:52 pm
Oh yeah, no problem, just pair him with a shortstop that can steal 8-10 bases with a good average in 30 games. That projects out to 43 steals in 162 games, plus a good average. You aren’t finding that unless Elvis Andrus is sitting on waivers in your league dude.
Guru says:
April 3, 2012 at 8:25 pm
Castro is overrated in yearly fantasy leagues. He’s gold in a keeper, but I’d rather take a more proven player over him.
DrBGiantsfan says:
April 3, 2012 at 8:54 pm
Good to see Brandon Crawford finally making the bottom of a list like this. He’s a sleeper of sleepers. I wouldn’t draft him , but he should be watched closely by people who have 3′rd and 4′th tier SS’s. Don’t be shocked if he puts up better numbers than some of those guys.
sirvlciv says:
April 4, 2012 at 12:03 am
Peralta undervalued, second year in a row. Don’t mind if I fill up my SS slot with a 12th round pick, thankyouverymuch.
dkmin says:
April 4, 2012 at 11:35 am
Right, is there any reason to expect major regression from last year’s numbers? Haven’t seen any. Seems like he’s morphed into a player with a fairly stable skill set. Even if we assume some downward projections in his numbers, he’s still a pretty good bat.
Soria bout the STD says:
April 4, 2012 at 3:28 pm
That’s if you choose to ignore last seasons .325 BABIP that was 50 points higher than the previous season, which had declined 4 consecutive seasons prior to last year