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  1. This is exactly right. Similar situation in our league where Tyler Austin (NYY), Low A, was picked up for $5. At least $4 too much…

    Comment by LuckyStrikes — June 12, 2012 @ 8:24 am

  2. Correa is going to be a top 10 or 20 prospect in all of baseball very quickly (just based on tools and his draft position) that’s a guy I can very easily trade if it’s a situation where I’m not willing to wait out his development cycle. Look at Profar now- the guy is either untouchable or only traded for some of the best players in ottoneu.
    I’m certainly not going to let a guy like Mile Carp or a $5 price tag keep me from landing such an asset.

    Comment by Theonewhoknocks — June 12, 2012 @ 8:27 am

  3. Banking on trading someone like Correa seems reasonable. But otherwise I agree that holding them doesn’t seem worth it on average.

    Comment by Wade8813 — June 12, 2012 @ 8:37 am

  4. What you’re not taking into account is that hyped-up prospects make great trade chips even when they’re 19 years old in High-A ball. I play in a 16-team deep keeper league with large minor league rosters, and top long-term prospects like Jurickson Profar, Manny Machado, and Miguel Sano routinely get back one-year rentals on stud players as owners pack it in for the year and try to get something (anything!) back for unkeepable players.

    For instance, Manny Machado was just traded for Chris Perez straight up. Chances are the person getting Machado isn’t planning on waiting to call him up, but rather hoping he gains some value over the next year or two, and the next time his team’s competitive he can flip him for something useful.

    Ottoneu might be a special case in this respect, but the trade value of top prospects is not something to be dismissed in keeper leagues.

    Comment by Ben — June 12, 2012 @ 8:52 am

  5. I personally don’t really buy the “recent draftee” stigma. Young talent is young talent, and in ottoneu you need to go out and get it. As long as it’s cheap. If you’re holding Correa and his salary has escalated to like $9, then he’s no longer young and cheap, he’s just young. In otto it really depends on a) your total salary at time of auction, and b) how close the rest of your roster is to title contention.

    Comment by hernandez17 — June 12, 2012 @ 9:05 am

  6. I’m not seeing how you can even bid on cornea now. It looks like he’s not even in the player pool from what I was just looking at. Am I missing something?

    Comment by bjs2025 — June 12, 2012 @ 9:12 am

  7. Correa ….auto correct

    Comment by bjs2025 — June 12, 2012 @ 9:13 am

  8. He’s there bjs2025 – check out the Search tab, include minor leaguers. Like Chad said in the article, we already auctioned him in our league.

    Comment by Niv Shah — June 12, 2012 @ 10:40 am

  9. paying top dollar for untested prospects as potential trade chips in any dynasty league only works if you feel like you can get appropriate value in return. In a league where 4 teams are bidding $5 or $6 on him, he’s probably a very valuable trading chip. In a league where no one else bid, or only bid $1 and you bid $5, you’re suddenly stuck with a player you substantially overvalue (or, as owners will always see it, “everyone else doesn’t value enough”).

    You have to know your own team and strategy, as well as the strategies of your main competitors, to be able to accurately gauge how to approach players like Correa or even Soler. They are hot right now because they are names in the news. Next year, they could be top 10 prospects and be hot again. Those are probably the only times you’ll be able to get equal value to what you paid in the first place, when you could have used those $6 to get 2 or 3 or 6 players. And with minor leaguers, if you just assume half or more won’t pan out, you’re probably still being liberal.

    Comment by tylersnotes — June 12, 2012 @ 10:57 am

  10. Well, it worked. Posted this article in our Ottoneu league during the closing minutes of Correa’s auction. He was just won for $9. Driving up prices!

    Comment by LuckyStrikes — June 12, 2012 @ 11:24 am

  11. I’m in no position to win, and I understand the trade chip argument, but I don’t see any reason for me to go higher than $1 for a young high school athlete. I may go a little higher for someone like a Marcus Stroman who projects to get to the big leagues quicker. I know Dylan Bundy is $7 on a roster right now (which is too much for me, even as dominant as he is in the minors) and I wouldn’t be surprised if he ends up being one of those one-and-done type guys due to arbitration for that league.

    Comment by stuartjones — June 12, 2012 @ 11:37 am

  12. Rather than saying he won the auction, I’d say who ever got him for $9 lost it.

    Comment by philosofool — June 12, 2012 @ 11:41 am

  13. By the time Correa is a useful MLB player his ottoneu salary will be in the ballpark of what people paid this year for Asdrubal Cabrera, Michael Young, Elvis Andrus, and Jimmy Rollins. Sure, there’s a possibility that paying $6 for him will end up being a bargain, but you’re really banking on him being a top 5 or 10 MLB middle infielder to get any kind of value from the signing. And in the mean time, you’re sinking valuable resources into rostering him. I’m not saying it *won’t* pan out, but it seems like a long shot.

    Comment by David — June 12, 2012 @ 12:15 pm

  14. I had no problem grabbing Cole, Rendon, Starling, Bundy, and Bauer last year, because they were particularly good prospects who were expected to move between medium (Cole, Bundy) and fast (Bauer), excepting Starling who was much further away, and whom I’m regretting taking. But Correa wouldn’t have gone ahead of any of those guys last year, and might get to the majors slower than all of them but Starling. It seems pretty apparent to me that guys who are 6 years away would have limited value, but maybe you are all right that he’ll have trade value.

    Comment by byron — June 12, 2012 @ 12:38 pm

  15. There’s no absolute rule with recent draftees, it depends on talent level. With “generational” talents like Strasburg, Harper, Trout, you could have bid $20 on them the day after they were drafted and it would have (apparently) been a smart decision.

    Comment by hernandez17 — June 12, 2012 @ 1:50 pm

  16. Agree. Trout, Harper, Strasburg are tough to use as examples because they are generational talents that don’t come along very often. Doubt a guy like Correa is like that, and at $6 and 4+ years away, it’s just too long and expensive to wait for the payoff if you have any hope of competing before he arrives.

    Comment by LuckyStrikes — June 12, 2012 @ 9:28 pm

  17. PROPOSED OTTONEU RULE CHANGE:

    Speaking of keepers and young players, I want to take a moment to recommend a wide-sweeping Ottoneu rule change that would positively impact the best new fantasy baseball format available. This probably isn’t the place, but our league has been discussing this potential change for some time. I think it’s time for the off season “vote off” to change.

    The “vote off” is unique to Ottoneu (at least to my knowledge), and the concept make sense: Allow star players to re-enter the draft pool so other team have a shot. Just one player per year per team.

    But here’s the problem: it doesn’t take into account MLB service time, and for that, it’s flawed.
    Let’s use Trout as an example in my league. An owner has him for $20, which, considering his play already this season, is a great price. But if he continues to play this well, he’s pretty much assured to be voted off this off season. In fact, Trout is making a strong case to be the #1 “vote off” candidate in all of Ottoneu leagues after the 2012 season.

    Instead of being rewarded for having the foresight to either draft or trade for a $20 Mike Trout, this non-contending (rebuilding) team can be seriously penalized for making Mike Trout their centerpiece building block. Trout will get voted off by the rest of the league and will probably be drafted for at least double the price in 2013. Yes, the team certainly has a shot at redrafting Trout with a $5 discount, but that’s no guarantee, especially if this owner is still not yet ready to compete for a title. If the point of Ottoneu is to best mimic the reality of MLB, in what rule or process is an MLB team forced to lose one of their star players at the whim of all the other clubs?

    It’s my understanding the “vote off” rule was put in place to simulate what happens when a player goes through several years of MLB arbitration: they often get too expensive for their original team to afford and are thus deemed a “free agent”, available to all. The flaw in the Ottoneu vote off rule is that it does not allow for the cost savings associated with those early non-arbitration eligible years where a team can enjoy the star players services at an affordable price (without risk of losing him to another owner). The Angels get 5+ more years of affordable, primo-Trout services; our Ottoneu owner loses him immediately following his rookie year.

    Again, the concept of vote off is correct; the execution is not. Here’s a better way: No player should be entirely voted off another owner’s team. Instead, at season’s end, each team should be given $1 to spend on one player on every other team in the league. That means I essentially get to add $1 in salary to the player of my choice on each of my fellow owner’s roster. It’s still market driven and it still serves the purpose of eventually driving star players back into the pool, but at least it gives the Trout owner a guarantee that Trout will still be his player as long as he wants him. That $20 Mike Trout now becomes a $31 Mike Trout in 2013 if every other owner chooses to add $1 to his salary. While more expensive, this slight change at least gives the Trout owner the assurance that his best trades, drafts, or auctions cannot be swept out from under him, and may actually (slightly) help raise the value of a young guy like Correa (even at $5). In today’s system, the $1 Correa owner can wait four years hoping Correa becomes an impact SS in 2016 but secretly wishes he’s not too good to be voted off the very next off season…

    Comment by LuckyStrikes — June 12, 2012 @ 10:02 pm

  18. Yes, a thousand times yes. I got Harper last year expecting to compete next year. Now he’s started fast, and I’m actively rooting against my best prospect. This is super fun for a team that’s looking toward the future.

    Comment by byron — June 13, 2012 @ 12:29 pm

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