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  1. Adrian Gonzalez… hmmm…. not sure what I think of him. Has ZIPs taken into account the massive amount of sucking he’s been doing? Just go ahead and double that HR output in the 2nd half because he’s totally shown that his power is going to just magically return? This troubles me. Do these rankings make me want to go out and see what I can get? I could use a great 2nd half from a guy like him because, well, my team isn’t very good. I will take this gamble because I don’t have much else to lose. Would an Upton for AGon swap be something that might jump start a team that’s not performing to expectation? Reyes. Youk (but he’s getting better). Upton now might get traded.

    Comment by Marge Bouvier — July 12, 2012 @ 3:51 pm

  2. knee jerk reaction: Nelson Cruz is too high riding on name recognition and dwindling power w/ no hope of the running game coming back.

    Comment by Scott Clarkson — July 12, 2012 @ 3:51 pm

  3. Where’s Ruggiano?

    Comment by Marichal — July 12, 2012 @ 4:02 pm

  4. I really thought Allen Craig would have moved up higher than he did. Not sure what Jeff is thinking there. Injury risk perhaps? It shouldn’t be a lack of playing time. Even when Berkman returns, Craig has proven his bat needs to be in lineup everyday.

    Comment by MIke D — July 12, 2012 @ 4:03 pm

  5. Thanks for doing these mixed league rankings. SO MUCH more helpful than splitting them by AL/NL!

    Comment by Sean — July 12, 2012 @ 4:05 pm

  6. I think it’s obvious, but the real reason behind Mike Stanton’s knee injury (surgery) is a direct result of the fall from 15th to 38th on this list. That’s a long way down. Ouch.

    Comment by LuckyStrikes — July 12, 2012 @ 4:08 pm

  7. Berkman, C. Young, and Kendrick should all be red. Also, where is Dunn?

    Comment by LuckyStrikes — July 12, 2012 @ 4:12 pm

  8. What am I missing about Reddick? What makes him worth so much less than, say, Nelson Cruz, for example?

    Comment by Jason — July 12, 2012 @ 4:15 pm

  9. I think Rasmus should be ranked a tad better, and Desmond Jennings needs to come down further.

    Comment by Alex — July 12, 2012 @ 4:16 pm

  10. Ichiro needs to be dropped WAY down.

    Comment by Peter — July 12, 2012 @ 4:43 pm

  11. Why is Plouffe so low? What makes him twice the rank of guys like Shin-Soo Choo, Austin Jackson, and Nick Markakis?

    Comment by Twins Fan — July 12, 2012 @ 4:45 pm

  12. Did Michael Cuddyer sleep with Zach Sanders’ girlfriend?

    Comment by Peter — July 12, 2012 @ 4:48 pm

  13. Fixed. Dunn we’ll get soon.

    Comment by Eno Sarris — July 12, 2012 @ 4:51 pm

  14. I think the power is going to regress, and that’ll take some of the batting average with it.

    Comment by Eno Sarris — July 12, 2012 @ 4:51 pm

  15. Doing both now, but that sort of feedback was part of the reason for the consensus ranks.

    Comment by Eno Sarris — July 12, 2012 @ 4:52 pm

  16. I’d rather not trade one buy low for another buy low. Why not put together a couple bench/iffy pieces to get AGonz, and then if both him and Upton take off your team will be much better for it.

    Comment by Eno Sarris — July 12, 2012 @ 4:54 pm

  17. Well, power takes the longest to stabilize, but you’re probably right about his running game at his age.

    Comment by Eno Sarris — July 12, 2012 @ 4:55 pm

  18. Where would I rank on this list if i got called up soon?

    Comment by Wil Myers — July 12, 2012 @ 4:55 pm

  19. will get him in there. I’d put him in low 80s because I’m unsure of his playing time going forward with Boni back.

    Comment by Eno Sarris — July 12, 2012 @ 4:57 pm

  20. Little bit of both injury risk and playing time risk probably. His glove is pretty terrible.

    Comment by Eno Sarris — July 12, 2012 @ 4:58 pm

  21. Because he doesn’t have a track record of this kind of power and our rest-of-season ranks are baking in some regression in that department, most likely.

    Comment by Eno Sarris — July 12, 2012 @ 4:59 pm

  22. Norichika>Ichiro

    Comment by wobatus — July 12, 2012 @ 5:00 pm

  23. I’d probably put him in the 40s somewhere. His strikeout rate will be a question and if it’s high, he’ll have a bad BA. He might need adjusting to the bigs.

    Comment by Eno Sarris — July 12, 2012 @ 5:01 pm

  24. All 20 of the OFs ranked below Ichiro > Ichiro

    Comment by Peter — July 12, 2012 @ 5:01 pm

  25. Eno’s ranking for Rios is absurd.

    Comment by Ira — July 12, 2012 @ 5:17 pm

  26. Why is Victorino ranked higher than guys like Craig, Morse, or even Rasmus? Rasmus and Victorino’s average is similar and the power production is far more valuable than Victorino’s speed… right? Or are you predicting a surge with the Phillies getting healthy?

    Comment by Taylor Brooker — July 12, 2012 @ 5:19 pm

  27. Fair enough, but even a regression there still puts his counting stats in line with a lot of guys ranked 10-20 spots higher than him. Take a look at ZiPS (r) for Reddick compared to, say, Cruz, Morse, Heyward… Perhaps it’s format dependent, I’m in a points league so AVG doesn’t matter so much as total bases, etc.

    Regardless, I think the power is real… hypothetically, if it is, where would you rank him?

    Comment by Jason — July 12, 2012 @ 5:20 pm

  28. There are a number of issues with these rankings, not least of which is Giancarlo Stanton ranked 8th by Jeff Zimmerman

    Comment by Ira — July 12, 2012 @ 5:21 pm

  29. I’d say that saying anything definitive about a guy with his history might be absurd, but obviously I’m more pessimistic than most about Rios.

    Comment by Eno Sarris — July 12, 2012 @ 5:25 pm

  30. So let’s say he beats his ZiPs RoS based on an ISO over .210 or so, then he should be able to manage something similar to first half, maybe .260 with 15 homers and 5 stolen bases? That would put him in the top 25 easily, maybe the top 20.

    Comment by Eno Sarris — July 12, 2012 @ 5:27 pm

  31. I’d say there’s a tier there that ends with Berkman and Ichiro is fungible in that next group.

    Comment by Eno Sarris — July 12, 2012 @ 5:28 pm

  32. I don’t think Rasmus’ and Victorino’s BA will be similar going forward. Morse is still an open question. Craig would be higher without the injury and PT issues. I like Victorino.

    Comment by Eno Sarris — July 12, 2012 @ 5:29 pm

  33. Maybe not Crawford or Maybin.

    Comment by wobatus — July 12, 2012 @ 5:40 pm

  34. Jason Kubel @42 is criminally low considering he’s on pace for 29 HR, 114 RBI with a .290+ batting average. I mean sure, he won’t steal anything, but that’s pretty stellar.

    Comment by kid — July 12, 2012 @ 5:57 pm

  35. Quentin Berry seems low, is playing time an issue? Crisp low also… I am looking at both for saves, can I count in those?

    Comment by SJ — July 12, 2012 @ 6:22 pm

  36. “Not sure what Jeff is thinking”

    Jeff isn’t thinking anything. His ranks are more or less ZiPS ROS projections from what they have said rather than any sort of opinion.

    Comment by Adam — July 12, 2012 @ 6:44 pm

  37. Pleasantly surprised to see Trout actually top 10. I thought he would be in like the 30′s behind Alex Gordon and Kendrick lol.

    Isn’t Cody Ross low? He’s finally in a hitters park that fits his swing. He missed a month or so and still has 13 homers, I can see another 15 coming in the second half.

    Comment by Adam — July 12, 2012 @ 6:50 pm

  38. Ichiro? Is otteneau a Singles league or something?

    Comment by Gus — July 12, 2012 @ 7:12 pm

  39. Ellsbury and Crawford are back and should resume full-time AB’s shortly. How is Ross going to get full-time AB’s?

    Comment by thalooch — July 12, 2012 @ 7:23 pm

  40. I would bump Choo, De Aza and Austin Jackson up a bit. They’ve got to get a little more recognition for their exemplary 1st half performances, especially Choo and Ajax. Ajax was just mentioned as being a 1st half MVP candidate on fangraphs.

    Choo is displaying his customary consistency and looks like he’s over that whole DUI hiccup. Furthermore he’s always been much more productive in the 2nd half if you look at his career.

    Comment by thalooch — July 12, 2012 @ 7:32 pm

  41. yes, really shocked to see Choo so low considering he’s back to being the same player as he was before his injury-dampened 2011 season.

    .299/.384/.492 with 10 HR, 9 SB, 34 RBI and a whopping 57 R. No way he should be behind “Mr. Regression” Alex Gordon, I’d take him over Nelson Cruz too. Probably should be where Mr. Victorino is.

    Comment by batpig — July 12, 2012 @ 7:53 pm

  42. They’d have to be crazy to stop giving Ruggiano playing time right now, wouldn’t they?

    Even if they’d rather play Bonifacio over Ruggiano (which I don’t see why they would right now) Stanton is out 4-6 weeks so he’ll have playing time in RF.

    Comment by Peter — July 12, 2012 @ 7:57 pm

  43. I’m a little surprised to see Rajai Davis that low. He’s got a full time job now, at least until Snider or Thames or somebody comes back, and that’s far from certain. He can steal 50 in a full season and in that TOR lineup he can put up some decent counting stats. Is it just the BA that drags him that far down?

    Comment by Jay29 — July 12, 2012 @ 8:38 pm

  44. The thing is you are saying something definitive by the very nature of your ranking.

    It’s true Rios has had some truly awful seasons mixed in with some good and very good seasons. It’s also true he was a mess last year and that he wasn’t driving the ball well at the start of this year despite having a good batting average.

    But the fact remains he is swinging a better bat on the past 7 weeks than he has at any time in his career: His line drive rate is pushing 30% and of his last 10 home runs, 2 have been non doubters, 7 have been plenty, 1 has been just enough and none have been lucky (according to hot tracker).

    There’s also a reasonable explanation to explain his emergence. After dealing with the head case that is Ozzie Guillen and the burden of crushing disappointment that was the White Sox season last year, Rios is clearly enjoying playing for a much more level-headed Robin Ventura for a team and an offence that has out-performed expectations. Rios has always struck me as a player more effective than most by his surroundings, so while some regression from his torris hitting is entirely possible, I’ll be surprised if he doesn’t finish with his best numbers since his early years with Blue Jays, performance that combines power, speed and batting average.

    Comment by rotofan — July 12, 2012 @ 8:39 pm

  45. Also no Ryan Doumit?

    Comment by Jay29 — July 12, 2012 @ 8:40 pm

  46. OK sorry for the triple post but…

    - Who is this “Mike” Stanton you speak of?

    - What about minor league OF? I think I prefer to own a guy like Starling Marte over guys like Schierholtz and Gwynn.

    Comment by Jay29 — July 12, 2012 @ 8:45 pm

  47. Is Zach Sanders aware that he doesn’t need to make his predictions by using a dartboard? Ethier at 11, lol.

    Comment by Nick — July 12, 2012 @ 8:53 pm

  48. Podhorzer ranking Willingham at 64 seems a little strange. I think he’s proven he can hit for power in any park and should be good for an easy 30 homers if he stays healthy. Can’t see 63 guys I’d rather have.

    Comment by tkirks21 — July 12, 2012 @ 9:23 pm

  49. Hey I need some trade help in a 12 team keeper league, there are 12 active batter spots with a 12 batter bench and I got sent a trade offer where I’d receive Adam Jones, rendon, and ackley for Phillips and Myers…. I’m scared about giving up Myers, but jones is the best player as of now in the trade, but what about rendon I haven’t heard much news on him latley, when’s his ETA and what’s his projected numbers, I feel like he’s the deal breaker in this, but idk what are your guys thoughts? Accept or decline?

    Comment by Zac L — July 12, 2012 @ 9:35 pm

  50. Thanks, that’s helpful. His owner just dropped him (clearly he believes like you). My outfield is pretty solid even if the power is real (J. Upton, Trout & Rios), so I’m just considering using my #2 waiver priority on what could be a solid Util, or a hedge against any of my guys not earning their keep.

    I’m still sorely tempted.

    Comment by Jason — July 12, 2012 @ 10:45 pm

  51. I think he’s the best RF they’ve got right now. I can see him sharing some time with Sweeney and Nava, and maybe Kalish, but he’s a superior hitter to those guys right now. And if Sweeney gets traded, like the Sox want, Ross has a chance at a really nice 2nd half as a starter in a much-improved lineup.

    Comment by Jay29 — July 12, 2012 @ 10:56 pm

  52. I was surprised that Beltran was so “low,” but nobody above him deserves to drop so I guess it just speaks to the depth of elite OF this year

    Comment by Ashman — July 12, 2012 @ 11:13 pm

  53. anyone else think Zimmerman has explaining to do?
    Its obvious his rankings are not up to date.
    Stanton at 8?
    Stubbs at 32?

    and there are a bunch of guys he has ranked twice as high as the average of the other 3 writers, which just seems absurd.
    for example:
    Bautista – 10 (avg – 5)
    Beltran – 30 (avg – 15.5)
    Craig – 55 (avg – 26)
    Harper – 62 (avg – 32)
    Morse – 69 (avg – 30)
    Morales – 100 (avg – 54)

    how can these all be rationalized?

    Comment by cs3 — July 13, 2012 @ 1:10 am

  54. or twice as low, or however you want to look at it

    Comment by cs3 — July 13, 2012 @ 1:11 am

  55. I’m dismantling my team in a Keep Any 4 league (with OB and Holds as extra categories). I may have the option of my choice of CarGo or Braun. Thoughts?

    Comment by Wade8813 — July 13, 2012 @ 2:29 am

  56. Would you drop Rizzo, Ryan Howard, or Colby Rasmus for Berkman, Markakis, or Matt Joyce? I already have Votto at first base and my other outfielders are Jay Bruce, Michael Morse, and Trout. I think I need more average and steals or do you guys think Rizzo, Ryan Howard, and Rasmus outperform Berkman (playing time and not sure if he will hit for power), Markakis, and Matt Joyce in the second half? Thanks!

    Comment by Brian — July 13, 2012 @ 3:50 am

  57. I don’t been to be flip, but Rios has been bad in good situations before. He’s been all over the map if you ask me. You can book him for .270 15/15 most years, but anything beyond is a bit of a crapshoot.

    Comment by Eno Sarris — July 13, 2012 @ 4:02 am

  58. We aren’t really in the business of on-pace projecting. I doubt he puts up that batting average, he’s getting platooned — or he should at least be platooned on your fantasy team — and that should make hitting those power and RBI numbers tough.

    Comment by Eno Sarris — July 13, 2012 @ 4:03 am

  59. If you’re looking for steals, yeah they are good, I’d take Crisp myself.

    Comment by Eno Sarris — July 13, 2012 @ 4:03 am

  60. I would drop Rizzo yes for Berkman probably, but best idea, considering the quality of possible pickups, is to shop Rizzo while he’s hot. Why not look for a closer or pair him with your overperforming pitcher for an ace type?

    Comment by Eno Sarris — July 13, 2012 @ 4:05 am

  61. Dunn in now.

    Comment by Eno Sarris — July 13, 2012 @ 4:09 am

  62. This is a common refrain. There’s a simple and perfectly reasonable explanation that’s been given: Zimmerman’s rankings are based heavily on ZiPS, rather than a more intuitive method like the others.

    Comment by Jason — July 13, 2012 @ 5:51 am

  63. Ross will be in RF. Kalish was already been sent back, I wouldn’t be surprised if Sweeney was traded and Nava made the 4th OF.

    Comment by Shane — July 13, 2012 @ 8:51 am

  64. Don’t expect his HR pace to continue (career best HR/FB rate right now) and assuming that drops off, he’s back to being a .250 hitter again, which hurts. Is that any different than a Nick Swisher?

    Comment by Mike Podhorzer — July 13, 2012 @ 9:29 am

  65. It’s Braun and it isn’t even close…

    Comment by Pat — July 13, 2012 @ 10:28 am

  66. .289/.345/.464 vs. Lefties, .295/.378/.568 vs. Righties. Hardly warrants platooning in real life or in fantasy.

    Comment by kid — July 13, 2012 @ 11:27 am

  67. I must say, I am a bit surprised at how little love Matt Holliday is getting. He’s not living off of a BABIP spike like Trout, McCutchen, or Gonzalez. I guess it’s the lack of positional flexibility?

    Comment by Keith — July 13, 2012 @ 11:42 am

  68. being ranked as the #12 OF is “little love”? Who above him would you realistically drop down below Holliday? Those are all elite players.

    the fact is he doesn’t really run much anymore and I’m sure a few of the authors are a bit worried about him losing PT in the 2nd half to dings like he had last year.

    even if you take away some BABIP from Trout, McCutchen or CarGo they are still elite fantasy players and bring the SB element that Holliday lacks.

    Comment by batpig — July 13, 2012 @ 12:52 pm

  69. “I thought he would be in like the 30′s behind Alex Gordon and Kendrick lol.”

    Why would anyone in their right mind think that?

    Comment by Rob — July 13, 2012 @ 4:07 pm

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