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  1. Hmm still seems like too little for Upton…

    Comment by Peckerhead — July 26, 2012 @ 3:42 pm

  2. Andy Behrens showing that world renowned Yahoo! fantasy-expert humour and incisiveness with that team name.

    Comment by Big Jgke — July 26, 2012 @ 4:14 pm

  3. Curious as to how your leagues work. Do you have these players on contract for a certain number of years, or can you just keep them at those designated amounts until you choose to drop them?

    Comment by Paul B — July 26, 2012 @ 4:22 pm

  4. +$2 for major leaguers, +$1 for minor leaguers every off-season. ottoneu stays open all year round so you can make trades. have to cut guys for a deadline before the auction.

    Comment by Eno Sarris — July 26, 2012 @ 4:25 pm

  5. Thanks, that helps put in context a bit.
    Roster limits = 40?

    Comment by Paul B — July 26, 2012 @ 4:30 pm

  6. Wait – so if you got a $5 discount on a player this year due to last year’s arbitration voting, his salary increases by $7 next year? You mention that you only paid $49 for Upton this year, but you have him listed as $54 (going to $56 next year). If that $5 discount is only good for one year, I may want to think about a trade.

    I looked at the my guy’s player page, and he’s only listed at his discounted salary. So there’s no indication that the discount is only good for this year.

    Sorry if I misunderstood the paragraph on Upton. Just want to make sure I know what the rule us. Thx.

    Comment by bgrasso12 — July 26, 2012 @ 4:34 pm

  7. 1) I do love Rosario. I have a $15 Jesus Montero, $9 JP Arencibia, and a $4 Travis D’Arnaud…and I still wanted Rosario.

    2) The only other offer I had, which wasn’t even for sure on the table, was Justin Masterson ($3) and Brett Jackson ($2). I like Masterson more than you do, Eno, but I have plenty of pitching DEPTH for next year…so if I am trading for pitching, I want an ace. And Jackson has plenty of K issues, himself.

    3) I need speed. I am dead last in steals and the only guy on my team with double digit steals is Dee Gordon. Gose should help that quite a bit next year.

    Now, if anyone in that league wants to trade me a stud OF, CI, SP or closer, even an expensive one, that is what my team needs for 2013.

    Comment by Chad Young — July 26, 2012 @ 4:43 pm

  8. The discount is permanent. If you “bid” $15 for a coupon guy, and have him at $10, he will be $12 in 2013.

    Make sense?

    Comment by Chad Young — July 26, 2012 @ 4:44 pm

  9. good god I bid 61 on him

    Comment by Eno Sarris — July 26, 2012 @ 4:46 pm

  10. Here’s my number… call me maybe

    Comment by Mike Newman — July 26, 2012 @ 4:48 pm

  11. Makes perfect sense. Thanks.

    Comment by bgrasso12 — July 26, 2012 @ 4:53 pm

  12. This is awesome
    Here are my thoughts on each trade
    -Story and Martin is not enough of a haul for Upton (even as a rental)
    -Butler and Pineda for Gose and Rosario? Even if you don’t plan on bringing back Butler and Pineda(and at their prices, it would be reasonable to keep both) you could do a lot better than Gose and Rosario
    -Lance Berkman for Sano. Seems like a reasonable trade with reasonable risk and reward for both sides
    -Posey + Cano for Hosmer, Santana, Hultzen and Segura? I think the side getting Posey and Cano won because Hosmer and Santana are too expensive to keep, but the 2 promising prospects help balance it out.
    – Cruz and Harvey for Beachy and Smyly. I like this trade a lot for the beachy side. Harvey isn’t an elite prospect, cruz is a rental(and not a great one at that)
    -Morneau for Oswalt and Harvey?
    3 easily replaceable players. I’d rather have Morneau because I wouldn’t want to waste 2 roster spots on Oswalt and Harvey, but seeing as both guys were used as trade chips I think this guy had the right idea.

    Comment by soamx — July 26, 2012 @ 4:53 pm

  13. I really want to play in a league like this.

    Comment by dave parker-stewart — July 26, 2012 @ 5:08 pm

  14. Yep, 40 man rosters, $400 cap

    Comment by Chad Young — July 26, 2012 @ 5:39 pm

  15. Unless you are up for moving Kershaw or Braun or Cano or something, I am not sure you will want to answer the call anyway!

    Comment by Chad Young — July 26, 2012 @ 6:13 pm

  16. Moore needs to prove he’s elite before I’m interested at that price. There will rarely be more than half a dozen pitchers getting twenty eight dollars and there’s almost no reason to think Moore will ever be one of them.

    Comment by philosofool — July 26, 2012 @ 7:28 pm

  17. You can join an ottoneu league right on the fangraphs site. Look for the link at the top of the screen.

    Comment by Kevin — July 26, 2012 @ 10:30 pm

  18. Gose isn’t going to help you much getting SBs in Las Vegas. Right now Rasmus and Bautista seem locks for CF and RF. That leaves LF for Thames, Snider and Gose. That could change. Butt right now it’s real iffy that Gose gets much time in the Bigs next year.

    I like Rosario too for cheap power at a thin position but isn’t he largely a clone of what you have already in Arencibia?

    That said, you didn’t give up much. I personally wouldn’t keep Pineda at that price coming back from shoulder surgery — he won’t likely be ready for the start of the season. And Butler has marginal keeper value unless he’s traded to a more hitter-friendly park.

    Comment by rotofan — July 26, 2012 @ 10:55 pm

  19. Enos — are other owners so stingy with prospects that the best you could get for Upton was Martin and Story? Martin is an iffy MLB prospect in an organization that has shown it will trade or sign free agents to fill holes; Story looks be three years away. I would have thought a better prospect or even more likely a better priced veteran would have been available.

    Comment by rotofan — July 26, 2012 @ 11:06 pm

  20. As Behrens said on twitter, there were only about three buyers, so I talked to them, had some footsy sessions, asked for more from Newman, and took what I could get in the end. Maybe I could have held out for Skaggs, but I wanted position players over pitchers, so took Martin. It’s not all set for Martin..

    Comment by Eno Sarris — July 27, 2012 @ 12:29 am

  21. I hear you on position players. I tend to do the same because of the injury risk with young pitchers. My tendency is to package several players with value only for the current season to move up the scale of what’s possible to secure in return. Wonder what you might have received if you packaged Upton with Ramirez and/or Napoli.

    Our league rules are different – prospects can be kept only for two years at their current salary; after that it’s a more significant boost to keep them beyond year 3 and the max is 5 years. Owners trading for this year are a bit more generous as a result.

    Comment by rotofan — July 27, 2012 @ 4:15 am

  22. For those of you questioning the wisdom of the Upton deal, it’s like people questioning the wisdom of Miami only getting Eovaldi for Hanley. For overpriced, underperforming players, the market value just isn’t that high. This is why those of you not in ottoneu leagues should get into one next year — there is no format that even comes close in terms of mirroring the type of decision-making that MLB GM’s have to make. It’s such a blast.

    Comment by hernandez17 — July 27, 2012 @ 9:38 am

  23. One problem I have in my current keeper (not dynasty – $260 draft salary cap, 25 man rosters, $5 inflation on keepers each year, maximum amount of years to keep a player is 3, can keep as many players as you want) league is that the league title usually comes down to who makes the best “keeper” trade. What we have occurring each year is that the low performing teams basically trade their entire roster of high priced stars for one or two keepers. For the low performing teams, there is no reason to keep the high priced players, so they just dump the entire team (say 6 stars) for a keeper (and fodder to even out the number of players). E.g. a $5 Mark Trumbo may get traded for a $50 Pujols, a $45 Joey Bats, a $35 Halladay, $30 Hamels wand a pair of closers.

    This results in a few “super” teams battling for the title and makes winning a title mostly dependent on making the best lopsided keeper trade. Does anyone have rules in place in similar keeper leagues to try to limit this from happening, but still allowing less lopsided trades?

    One idea we were kicking around is having both a draft salary cap ($260) and an in-season salary cap of say $300.

    Comment by JEG — July 27, 2012 @ 12:13 pm

  24. While Ottoneu may be a blast and it’s nice that you are enjoying it, it is NOT like real decision-making in MLB in some key ways, one of which is illustrated by your misguided comparison.

    The reason the Marlins received little back for Hanley is that the Dodgers agreed to pay his remaining $38 million contract — the balance this year and 2013 and 2014.

    Eno faced no such barrier in trading Upton, whose $54 contract can be dropped by his new team at no cost after the end of the season. Suffice it to say that teams could have dropped Upton after this year at no cost, many more teams would have been at the Marlins’ door with a lot more to offer than Eovaldi.

    Comment by rotofan — July 27, 2012 @ 3:04 pm

  25. Crazy how things can change overnight! I definitely believed the Jays wanted Gose to have that spot…did not expect them to clear it so quickly or completely. But As of right now, it seems that Gose-Rasmus-Bautista is the 2013 Jays OF, no?

    Comment by Chad Young — July 31, 2012 @ 11:52 am

  26. Eno, great article, but you say incorrectly that Matt Harvey is a college/polished lefty which he is pretty much the opposite of. His fastball reaches 99 and he uses it to set up his off-speed pitches. He’ll have a bad start or two when he loses his control but when he throws strikes he’s tough to beat.

    Comment by nolan — September 4, 2012 @ 4:32 am

  27. The salary cap would probably work but I would make the in-season cap more like $320. That allows teams to make those kinds of trades but on a limited basis. I mean, $40 isn’t a lot to work with.

    Comment by nolan — September 4, 2012 @ 4:34 am

  28. And I’m sure you probably know that.

    Comment by nolan — September 4, 2012 @ 4:35 am

  29. Eno’s Slaughter is a fantastic, fantastic name.

    Comment by ok saint tip cows — September 4, 2012 @ 7:37 am

  30. Yeah I fixed that. I’m ruing that trade a little now. I’ve kept Harvey in a couple other keeper leagues, but that trade will piss me off, I bet.

    Comment by Eno Sarris — September 4, 2012 @ 11:22 am

  31. My league has similar rules on the keeper contracts but we limit to 3 keepers and have an escalating payscale. So if you trade for an elite keeper it hurts your pocketbook. Also you have to sign a keeper to a contract with no option to get rid of the contract if a player falls apart or if a guy out plays his deal you can’t sign him to 2nd deal either. We aren’t in a dynasty league though. You don’t have to sign the contract until after the players first year being kept.

    Comment by Jared — December 31, 2012 @ 6:58 pm

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