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  1. i’m not sold on freeman. of the players who finished ahead of him, a number would have been optimally used at other positions–miggy (3b), encarnacion (3b), posey (C), agon (OF), hart (OF), craig (2b, OF), mauer (C), davis (3b, OF), and trumbo (3b, OF).

    even if you only got rid of the “obvious” non-1b–posey, mauer, and craig–and consider agon strictly a 1b, freeman still returns top 8 1b value.

    Comment by jcxy — October 8, 2012 @ 9:32 am

  2. Excellent post, jcxy. It is unrealistic to think the players you listed would suit up at 1B except in the rarest of circumstances. So, worst case scenario Freeman is 8th, and quite possibly higher.

    With all respect that’s an 0/1 in my scorebook, Mike.

    Comment by Matt — October 8, 2012 @ 11:28 am

  3. I didn’t use Yahoo player eligibility because there rules make no sense. Standard leagues are 20 games last year, 10 this year, so that’s what I went by. All those players, except Mauer and Posey could realistically play 1B.

    Comment by Mike Podhorzer — October 8, 2012 @ 12:27 pm

  4. More people play on Yahoo than anywhere else. That is essentially “the standard”.

    Comment by Tom B — October 8, 2012 @ 2:10 pm

  5. yeah – and i mean, even setting aside the multiple eligibility guys, if freeman was ranked 10, you ranked him 12, and he finished 13, it’s not like… that’s just a middle-tier guy being a middle-tier guy. maybe what i mean is, not trying to be a jerk, but i’d be a lot more impressed if you’d said hosmer.

    unrelated, people keep doubting beltre every year and every year he keeps being awesome. at some point people are finally going to realize that he is actually completely awesome and has been since his LA breakout and the heart of his career was just ripped out by safeco field.

    Comment by wily mo — October 8, 2012 @ 2:36 pm

  6. If we are able to change ‘the standard’ because of something ‘being free’ than our standards are going to be seriously f-ed up!

    Comment by Panda Fan For Life — October 8, 2012 @ 3:46 pm

  7. I’ll withhold judgment until I see the numbers, but I’d wager that more people play roto on Yahoo than on any other platform. You implicitly agree because you used Yahoo’s end of season rankings, despite noting their flaws. IMO, it makes little sense then not to have used the corresponding eligibility requirements, which was my assumption in my earlier comment.

    Second, while the standard of what consitutes 1b shouldn’t be so strict to throw out all multiple eligibility 1b, in reality, having eligibility in a position that is weaker (or has the appearance of being weaker than 1b) matters because it informs decisions concerning roster construction, both during the draft and in season. It’s ignorant or foolish to assume the expected usage patterns of those multi-eligible players except to say that we should expect more than 0 to play other places. Saying that they “could realistically play 1b” is simply not enough of a nod to the fact that many were specifically drafted to play 3b or OF.

    Third, MDC (which is where I assume you got your ADPs) did a very poor job of correlating with Yahoo in this instance. Freeman had an ADP almost 30 spots later on Yahoo (130) than MDC (100), in part I suspect, because the Yahoo experts were quite bearish on him. This point isn’t meant to be a criticism, but rather a light shining on something that might potentially be exploited in the future. Price anchoring, even in competitive $ leagues where people develop their own rankings, likely still exists.

    Comment by jcxy — October 8, 2012 @ 6:00 pm

  8. You are correct that Yahoo is the most popular platform. I should have clarified and made it simpler to understand. My personal valuations are based on the position eligibility requirement I mentioned above, since I don’t play in Yahoo leagues. Therefore, that’s what my rankings are based on.

    My valuations/rankings would have been different, with potentially different overvalued players, had I gone by Yahoo eligibility to begin with. So that’s really the issue. Since my rankings were based on certain eligibility requirements, I had to use the same ones when seeing how I did.

    Comment by Mike Podhorzer — October 8, 2012 @ 8:39 pm

  9. I agree with Freeman being overvalued, but I actually think Mike’s ranking of 12 for him was too high too. Hell, I ranked him at 24.

    He is actually ranked 15 on Yahoo for this year, and if it wasn’t for injuries to Votto, Konerko, Big Papi and Teixeira and disease to Ike Davis, and if Dunn could hit .230 I’d be a lot closer to being right.

    Comment by supgreg — October 8, 2012 @ 9:25 pm

  10. Disease for Ike Davis? Freeman the 24th ranked 1B? He was ranked 7th by the ESPN player rater. 94 RBI’s in 540 AB’s. And you’re pounding your chest because you ranked him 24th. Interesting.

    Comment by Bill higgs — October 9, 2012 @ 7:56 pm

  11. You used Yahoo! ranks but not position eligibility? Seems arbitrary. Freeman was essentially correctly valued, there has to be a margin of error there yes?

    Comment by David G — October 11, 2012 @ 4:24 pm

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