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  1. Have the Bill James projections already been updated because of this trade?

    I looked at them maybe an hour ago and I could’ve sworn he had Granderson at .272 avg and 25 HRs which are the only stats I can remember off the top of my head. Now he sits at .275 and 27.

    Comment by Lombard — December 8, 2009 @ 3:42 pm

  2. The Tigers’ UZR/150 was 4th in the bigs last year. I think Max’s defense will be ok.

    Comment by Big Oil — December 8, 2009 @ 4:29 pm

  3. Polanco to Scott Sizemore is a dip. Plus Everett and Inge are a year older. Plus Guillen and Maggs are slated to start in LF and RF without Granderson to pick up the slack in center. I think its safe to say the Tigers’ defense won’t quite be as good.

    Comment by Ben — December 8, 2009 @ 4:37 pm

  4. My thoughts exactly.

    Comment by Zach Sanders — December 8, 2009 @ 4:54 pm

  5. I imagine the drop in defense will be mitigated by the fact that Comerica is a much easier place to pitch than Chase Field.

    Comment by N_Schaef — December 8, 2009 @ 5:03 pm

  6. I think you’re underselling the benefits of a pitcher moving from the AL to NL. I’d expect Jackson’s K% to tick up and his BB% to drop. He’s also moving to the NL west which has lots of pitchers parks.

    Comment by Jon — December 8, 2009 @ 5:14 pm

  7. I think I like Granderson better in left because Melky and Gardner’s defensive numbers are better in center than in right field.

    Comment by Rob A from BBD — December 8, 2009 @ 5:20 pm

  8. I agree with everyone here saying the Tigers defense won’t be as good as last year, but I still love this deal as a Tigers fan. How much does this affect Scherzer’s fantasy value?

    Comment by Phil — December 8, 2009 @ 5:59 pm

  9. Ranking each of the team (more information is available in the name link):

    The Tigers
    The Tigers by far got the best end of this deal. Seeking to shed payroll, fill in some bullpen holes, and acquire cheap, young talent, the Tigers traded away one of the games best value players (Granderson) who plays a mean CF in terms of both offense and defense, in addition to a soon-to-be 27 year old hard-throwing right-handed SP (Jackson) who over-performed last year and generally has below average, but improving control, no strikeout talent and two years left until he reaches free agency. In exchange, the Tigers received four quality players and met each of their goals. The prize of the Tigers’ acquisition was Max Scherzer, a soon-to-be 26 year old, hard-throwing right-handed SP (Scherzer) with high strikeout talent, above-average control and three, possibly four, more years of team control before he becomes arbitration eligible. If Scherzer does not qualify for super-two status next offseason, the Tigers will end up paying a better-than-Jackson SP less than $1 million, while Jackson probably makes at least $10 million over that same time frame. In addition to Scherzer, the Tigers also acquired two relievers: Phil Coke, a solid and above average RP who limited the walks and struck out more batters than the league average while playing in the AL East last year, from the Yankees and Daniel Schlereth, a closer-of-the-future kind of RP with great stuff and questionable control, from the Diamondbacks. Considering that Lyons and Rodney are free agents, this gives the team more leverage when dealing with Brandon Lyon and a viable set of cheap, late-inning relievers for the Tigers. The Tigers also got Austin Jackson, one of the Yankee’s top prospects, who profiles as a league-average (or better) hitting CF with great speed and range to replace Granderson. At just 22 years old, Jackson has a lot of upside and 6 years of major league control left to his name.

    Conclusion: The Tigers accomplished everyone of their team’s goals with this trade. They shed payroll, replaced semi-expensive players with cheap replacements, filled bullpen holes and upgraded their starting rotation.

    The Yankees
    The Yankees also made out big with this trade. With Johnny Damon departing to free agency and 4th OFs Melky Cabrera/Brett Gardner and not-quite-ready CF prospect Austin Jackson left to fill both center and left fields, the Yankees were in search of one, if not two, outfielders. Although you can never discount the Yankees getting involved in the Matt Holliday/Jason Bay sweepstakes, this helps the team fill up centerfield at a great value and it gives the team a lot more negotiating leverage against Scott Boras and his clients (Damon, Holliday). Granderson is without a doubt an all around upgrade over the aging and expensive Damon and if the Yankees can clobber everyone on their way to a world series title with Damon in left and Cabrera/Gardner, I see no reason why they can’t do it with Granderson in center and Cabrera/Gardner in left. With Granderson, the Yankees acquired a not-cheap, but not-expensive player with some of the best all around tools in the game (walks, hits for power, quality range, average arm) and probably have plenty of money left over — especially if they let Damon walk — to make another big free agency splash while keeping the payroll under the 2008 mark. And what did it cost them? None of their core young talent (Phil Hughes, Joba Chamberlain, Mike Dunn, or Francisco Cervelli). Just a slightly above average, but still useful reliever (Phil Coke) and a starting pitcher with no room on the roster and more hype than true talent (Ian Kennedy, aka “the next Greg Maddux”).

    Conclusion: The Yankees got what they needed — a quality outfielder and leverage in the free agency market — at a great value in terms of both $ cost and players traded

    The Diamondbacks
    Oh boy, where to begin. The Diamondbacks got ripped off. They traded away a young, cheap ace pitcher and high talent potential closer of the future and bought high on a hard-throwing (but improving) SP (Jackson) who over-performed last season and has at least two less years of team control to his name in addition to a brand name minor leaguer with limited “success” at any level of play since 2007. For a guy who is supposed to be “the next Greg Maddux, he needs to start limiting the walks (his career major-league equivalent BB/9 is 3.95). Kennedy is still relatively young (soon-to-be 26) and has been getting better at the strikeouts in AAA, but he’s entering his “prime years” and has yet to show any significant major league success.

    Conclusion: Kennedy may provide the Diamondbacks with a quality arm, but the risk inherent in him putting it all together (in addition to the probable regression from Jackson, a pitcher who outperformed his peripherals last year and also has a four year trend of increasing FB tendencies) makes trading away a cheap stud like Scherzer and high ceiling reliever like Schlereth an unwise gamble.


    All in all, it’s not like anyone expected the Diamondbacks to contend in 2010 anyways. Perhaps the team, realizing this, decided to take the long-term risk with Kennedy (who the Yankees had no room for), while gaining another arm (Jackson), who, in addition to Webb, the team can unload for some quality prospects to a contender come July. The Tigers and Yankees won big on this deal and the Diamondbacks took on a whole lot of unnecessary risk (and some salary), to which I call them the unequivocal losers of the deal.

    Comment by Jeffrey Gross — December 8, 2009 @ 7:24 pm

  10. So, now that we know Granderson gets to deposit balls into that short right porch, how many people are going to change their HR predictions?

    Comment by opisgod — December 8, 2009 @ 9:33 pm

  11. i see det. is shoping Jeff Larish… i would value him much higher than phil coke.. would it not be crazy to let a guy go that had a .397 o.b. % at AAA inn a down year… the guy has drawn walks over 15% of the time inn 3 of the last 4 seasons.. i don’t understand giving up on this guy.. seems like it could be Carlos Pena all over again

    Comment by wolverin119 — December 8, 2009 @ 9:59 pm

  12. That was with Granderson.

    Comment by philosofool — December 8, 2009 @ 11:50 pm

  13. I’m officially calling for a 30/20 season this year with a .280 BA

    Comment by David MVP Eckstein — December 8, 2009 @ 11:52 pm

  14. Curtis Grandersons average draft position just went through the roof. He’ll be this years BJ Upton

    Comment by TBO — December 9, 2009 @ 3:57 am

  15. The Data is all in the name link, but Curtis Granderon’s luck-neutral 2010 slash line if he played for the Yankees would have been: .277/.364/.522 (.886 OPS) with 39 HR. The Yankees made out BIG in this trade

    Comment by David MVP Eckstein — December 9, 2009 @ 7:29 pm

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