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  1. Atrocious signing. The Yanks OF is now as weak ofensively as any in the AL.

    Comment by JayCee — January 28, 2010 @ 7:04 am

  2. they were projected to score about 80 more runs then the next highest team before the signing anyway. also, their 3 main guys last year put up a WRC+ of 107/ 107 / 132 (and one of those 107 was Curtis Granderson who had a career low) is that great? no, but it would be at wores. average.

    (FWIW, the current projected starters of the Red Sox OF threw up 113/114/134 . so yeah, it’s better, but the degree isn’t nearly as much as you’d think . )

    Comment by RollingWave — January 28, 2010 @ 8:15 am

  3. I’m just wondering why the Yankees would put Swisher on 1st and DH Tex…he’s pretty damn good at first after all. The effect would be the same, but I’d expect to see Swisher or Posada DH’ing in the event of a Johnson injury.

    Comment by The A Team — January 28, 2010 @ 9:18 am

  4. I agree with A Team. There’s literally no scenario where the Yankees put Swisher at first and Teixeira as the DH with any regularity. If Johnson gets hurt then Swisher, the weakest of the OF defensively, would go to DH and Winn would start in RF. Or the aged core of Posada, Jeter and Rodriguez would get a lot more time in the DH spot.

    Comment by Bernard — January 28, 2010 @ 9:33 am

  5. Agreed. I think that if Johnson were to go down, Posada would be the one getting the majority of the DH time.

    Comment by Lucas A. — January 28, 2010 @ 9:48 am

  6. To the mindless down-raters,

    name a weaker OF offensively.

    Comment by JayCee — January 28, 2010 @ 9:54 am

  7. The As, WhiteSox, Tigers, and Royals.


    Comment by ReindeerGames — January 28, 2010 @ 10:03 am

  8. They wouldnt be putting Tex as a permanent DH, it would be for a day or two to give him a little bit of rest they did it a plethora of occassions in 09.

    Comment by TangNYY — January 28, 2010 @ 10:28 am

  9. see above

    Comment by TangNYY — January 28, 2010 @ 10:29 am

  10. Would George Steinbrenner have stuck so closely to this 2MM cap? Surely an extra 4MM for Damon at 6MM would’ve been both worth the upgrade and well within the Yankees means.

    Why is Hal so immovable then? Is the son, who grew up on Dad’s money, and was away vacationing during this process, more interested in profiteering than winning? I am a Yankee fan, and I love the Yankees for doing whatever it takes to win. Some people hate the way they spend money, but let me tell you… it would be a far bigger injustice for them to pocket the money instead. The moment they DON’T do whatever they can to win, that’s when I have a problem.

    Comment by elgringo79 — January 28, 2010 @ 10:30 am

  11. just based on offense?

    Tigers (Magglio / Raburn last year 117 /132 , unless you think the completely unproven Austin jackson will come close to Curtis Granderson’s #),

    White Sox (i’m not even sure who their starting OFs are anymore, Pierre / Jones / Quinten? even assuming completely healthy Quinten how much do you really think Jones and Pierre can hold up laste year’s # with a full year?)

    Houston (last year Bourn / Pence / Lee was 110/117/119 ) kinda a wash that could go either way.

    Padres ( no exp needed)

    D-backs (did you see what their OF outside of Upton did last year? probably not, since no one else did )

    Twins (maybe , depend on Delmon and wether Cudder holds up, could go either way basically a wash )

    Royals ( no need to explain there)


    Marlins unless Stanton comes up and establish quickly.

    Cubs if Soriano doesn’t bounce back significantly.

    Depending on who they put in CF, the Brewers might not be better despite having Braun.

    Reds OF was horrendous last year (3 guys that got most playing time was Tavaras / Nix / Bruce ), even assuming improvements from Bruce it still looks very bad.

    Giants (obvious)

    Pirates unless you think Garret Jones is for real.

    So that’s 14 teams right there that’s either a wash or clearly worse. which, like I said, puts them at about average . and that’s assuming Curtis Granderson stays at 100-110 WRC+ .

    Comment by RollingWave — January 28, 2010 @ 10:33 am

  12. I bring up the vacationing part, because a few years ago, George picked up the phone when ARod called. That was another situation where Boras was leading his client to an unwanted stalemate. They worked it out. Damon called of his own accord this weekend. Maybe inspired by that same story. Who knows what would’ve happened if George had been able to answer.

    Comment by elgringo79 — January 28, 2010 @ 10:37 am

  13. because there was never any cheaper offer from the damon camp. boras did him in.

    Comment by Tom B — January 28, 2010 @ 10:37 am

  14. don’t believe everything you read in the national enquirer.

    Comment by Tom B — January 28, 2010 @ 10:38 am

  15. If we just base on WAR, there’s a solid argument that Winn might be a comparable or better player than Damon

    last 3 year

    Winn: 9.1 WAR

    Damon : 8.9 WAR

    the bat isn’t going to be much better than average at best. but let’s be real here, the Yankees are sporting 8 guys who are likely going to crack 115-20 WRC+ in front of them.

    Comment by RollingWave — January 28, 2010 @ 10:40 am

  16. We’ll never know for sure, but there were lots of outlets reporting the ARod-George convo. I’ve only seen one so far about he Damon phone call (NY Post… not much better)

    Comment by elgringo79 — January 28, 2010 @ 10:45 am

  17. So the Yankees outfield is made up of: Swisher, Granderson, and Gardner.

    According to the projections Gardner is an average hitter to slightly above and both Granderson and Swisher are projected to be around 120-130 wRC+.

    So figuring that they are about 40 wRAA, they should be better than the Royals, White Sox, Mariners, Athletics, Blue Jays, Rays, Twins, and Tigers. They probably will be better than the Orioles, Rangers, and Angels.

    Comment by DavidCEisen — January 28, 2010 @ 10:47 am

  18. Also, Winn effectively replaces not Johnny Damon, but Melky Cabrera. Granderson actually replaces Damon.

    Comment by RollingWave — January 28, 2010 @ 11:25 am

  19. You don’t need a great-hitting outfield when your infield consists of Teixeira, Cano, Jeter and A-Rod. You’re not entitled to an all-star at every position…

    Comment by Jay — January 28, 2010 @ 11:54 am

  20. I like Winn as a signing. He’s a plus defender at the corners, which the Yankees need.

    Terrible fantasy option, though.

    Comment by Joel — January 28, 2010 @ 12:20 pm

  21. Hopefully this sends a message during these financial strapped times to all of Boras type players…..lower your price or they will look elsewhere.

    Comment by Fishkiller — January 28, 2010 @ 1:06 pm

  22. David-

    Gardner rates a “+” apart from his ability to score because the Yankees are batting behind him? I love the guy as a player, but I have to question what “average” is for him to rate a “+” after adjusting for team and ballpark.

    Comment by JayCee — January 28, 2010 @ 1:41 pm

  23. Rolling Wave-

    I’ll take the Padres OF this year over the Yanks.

    Comment by JayCee — January 28, 2010 @ 1:42 pm

  24. wtf how come no one understands this has everything to do with next year’s free agency class

    Comment by FireOmar — January 28, 2010 @ 2:07 pm

  25. JayCee, wRC+ is based on wOBA, so the lineup around him doesn’t effect it.

    Comment by DavidCEisen — January 28, 2010 @ 3:00 pm

  26. Paging Mr. Werth.

    Comment by JayCee — January 28, 2010 @ 3:02 pm

  27. Blue Jays… Wells, Snider? and ?

    Comment by Matt B. — January 28, 2010 @ 4:59 pm

  28. 6MM/1yr for Damon would not interfere with a Crawford signing next year.

    Comment by elgringo79 — January 28, 2010 @ 5:06 pm

  29. Would Damon take 1/6 though? If hes still holding out for two years, you gotta cut him loose.

    Comment by CJ — January 28, 2010 @ 6:34 pm

  30. Winn’s batting splits were extreme last year – his OPS batting right handed was .384 (?!), whereas his left handed OPS was .751. I think you can consider him as a left handed hitter instead of a true switch hitter.

    I don’t see any reason for the Yanks to start him against lefties, as he’s not qualified to bat right handed. This presents a problem, as both Gardner and Granderson are lefties. Swisher is a switch hitter, but that leaves the outfield pretty heavily tilted to the left.

    I just added it up. Yanks have a $95 MM infield. I guess they can have some holes in the outfield and still be competitive..

    Comment by fergie348 — January 28, 2010 @ 6:48 pm

  31. Fergie, the thinking is that last year’s struggles against lefties were an abberation, as Winn has had career-long decent success against them.

    I’m curious. Did the Yanks cuts payroll this offseason? And how much did they lop off the budget. If so, Cashman deserves credit for a pretty clever strategy. He’s managed to design a team that is as strong as last year’s…at least on paper.

    Comment by Rafael Santana's Brilliant Bluff — January 28, 2010 @ 11:11 pm

  32. Jaycee : you might want to actually tell us who the Padres are actually going to start out there.

    I’m assuming they’ll start Headly / Gwynn / Venable. the 3 of them combined for 108/97/113 . even assuming some advancing due to youth ( though Gwynn already exceeded expectation by a mile last year and I doubt he get any better than 100 at very best.)

    The Yankees, assumign they start Gardner / Granderson / Swisher most of the time, would likely throw up something around 100/115/120 between them in a fairly conservative estimate.

    sure, we could argue that Gardner and Gywnn is a wash and I wouldn’t really oppose that. but really? Headly and Venable over Granderson and Swisher?

    Comment by RollingWave — January 29, 2010 @ 5:01 am

  33. RW-

    Hit “refresh”- their OF is Blanks, Hairston and Venable. It’s very nice.

    Comment by JayCee — January 29, 2010 @ 6:25 am

  34. SI is reporting the same thing, after Verducci interviewed both Damon and Cashman. Satisfied now, smartass?

    Comment by elgringo79 — January 29, 2010 @ 1:56 pm

  35. I still fail to recognize exactly why people think Gardner is incapable of being a full time position player. Is it really such a terrible thing to have a 9 hole hitter with major wheels and ++ defense in left field who’ll get on base 34 or 35% of the time?

    Comment by JimNY — January 29, 2010 @ 3:22 pm

  36. Yeah, they cut payroll. They took off $26 mill for Matsui and Damon, $6.5 for Xavier Nady, $5 mill for Chien Ming Wang, $2.1 for Jose Molina, and various players making less than $2 mill. All of their additions this year combined add up to roughly what they paid Damon and Matsui last year (if you factor in that Pettite’s guaranteed salary isn’t all that much more than his earned incentives less year).

    Comment by JimNY — January 29, 2010 @ 3:30 pm

  37. As of 2008, NYY hadn’t made a profit since the 1990s, so I think it’s safe to say they aren’t just pocketing money.

    Comment by J Bravo — February 1, 2010 @ 2:50 am

  38. They are not entitled to an allstar at every position, but they sure would love to have one at each position. give them time i suppose…

    Comment by fanfromflorence — February 2, 2010 @ 12:05 pm

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