Fangraphs Mock Draft Chat Recap: NL SP

Mock draft season is starting to draw to a close and real drafts are starting to fill our calendars, but we here at Fangraphs — with the help of a few friends — put together another staff mock for reference’s sake. It was a 12-team, 23-round mixed mock with 2 SP, 2 RP, and 5 P slots, with the vast majority of those general pitching slots filled by starters.

My personal NL SP ranks will be up next week, but in the meantime, here’s how they fell in our latest mock. As always, the parenthetical note is listed as (round.pick).

Clayton Kershaw (2.4)
Roy Halladay (2.10)

Cliff Lee (3.5)

Tim Lincecum (4.3)
Zack Greinke (4.10)
Cole Hamels (4.12)

Stephen Strasburg (5.4)
Yovani Gallardo (5.8)

Matt Cain (6.7)

Ian Kennedy (7.6)
Madison Bumgarner (7.9)

Adam Wainwright (8.2)

Mat Latos (9.4)
Tommy Hanson (9.5)
Josh Johnson (9.6)
Dan Hudson (9.11)
Jordan Zimmermann (9.12)

Cory Luebke (10.1)
Matt Garza (10.4)
Gio Gonzalez (10.5)
Brandon Beachy (10.8)

Chris Carpenter (11.2)
Anibal Sanchez (11.3)

Johnny Cueto (12.6)

Shaun Marcum (14.5)

Wandy Rodriguez (16.6)
Ted Lilly (16.7)
Tim Hudson (16.11)

Jhoulys Chacin (17.2)
Mike Minor (17.3)
Jaime Garcia (17.7)
Vance Worley (17.11)

Trevor Cahill (18.11)

Brett Myers (19.4)
Bud Norris (19.10)

Johan Santana (20.8)
R.A. Dickey (20.11)
Edwin Jackson (20.12)

Erik Bedard (21.3)
Tim Stauffer (21.9)
Julio Teheran (21.12)

Chad Billingsley (22.7)
Ricky Nolasco (22.12)
Carlos Zambrano (23.3)

Best Pick:

This is a really tough call. I love Jackson at the end of the 20th round, I like the back-to-back Gonzalez and Beachy picks in the 10th, but the best of the bunch might be Bumgarner in the late 7th round. I have a bit of a concern about his jump in innings last year, but not enough of one to dissuade me from drafting him, and the seventh round is a really great value for him. In all the mocks I’ve done, Jackson seems to be the player that people forget about most often. His prerank is too low across the board; it may be worthwhile to throw him into a predraft list before the draft gets going, just so Chris Cwik doesn’t pick him in the 20th and leave everyone slapping their head.

Worst Pick:

There are a couple picks here I don’t much care for, most notably Lilly in the 16th and Myers in the 19th, but to the credit of the crew, I don’t see anything that strikes me as really out of phase.

Miscellaneous Notes:

If there’s one group that seems to be getting undervalued, it’s the pitchers switching from the AL to the NL. Gonzalez, Cahill, and Jackson — who only nominally counts after his trade to St.Louis at the deadline — were all picked on the later side, while Mark Buehrle wasn’t picked at all*.

I was surprised to see Myers and Norris go when they did — maybe the Astros have some value for fantasy miners after all. I like Norris as the better of the two, but I see both as NL-only options more than mixed. Norris should rack up the strikeouts, but his WHIP and ERA project on the high side and it’s unlikely that the Astros are going to win them too many games.

It deserves a longer post, but I am completely of two minds about Zambrano. Obviously, I have no problem with drafting him as the last SP taken. At that point, if he flames out, it’s pretty easy to throw him back on the wire and move in another direction, but I can’t help wondering if his best years are well and truly behind him.


* I would have taken Buehrle at 22.5, but I had obliged myself to take Bruce Chen, who filled my last pitching spot.

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18 Responses to “Fangraphs Mock Draft Chat Recap: NL SP”

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  1. Pat G says:

    nobody buying on bauer?

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  2. rdillon99 says:

    Brett Myers is gong to be the closer in Houston.

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    • ImKeithHernandez says:

      Yeah this is what I was thinking too. 19th round might still be a LITTLE too early, but definitely reasonable. His pre-ranks are incredibly high just because he is looked at as a starter, but as a closer he has pretty good value, especially if he goes 19th round+.

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  3. Chris R says:

    Nice pick. Chen’s a beast.

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  4. Tvators says:

    Juan Nicasio worth holding on to in 16 team h2h? took him in 26th & fnal rd?

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  5. Tyler says:

    I’ll defend Lilly in the 16th. The projections have Lilly as a very similar pitcher to Jackson in W’s, K/9 and ERA…but with WHIPs of ~1.19 for Lilly and 1.34 for Jackson. That’s a huge advantage – more than Kershaw/Halladay’s WHIP advantage over Lilly.

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  6. Ender says:

    Yeah I think Lilly is just fine there. I’d much rather have Lilly in the 16th than Jackson the WHIP killer in the 20th.

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    • Ender says:

      As sort of payback for this comment Jackson is staring at me in the 23rd round of a 16 team draft and I think I’m going to have to take him since even the good setup guys are all gone.

      Karma sucks.

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  7. Vin says:

    Hudson and Latos in the 9th round are steals, IMO.

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  8. Ender says:

    Latos in the 9th is a steal. Hudson the same round as Latos is painful for the Hudson owner though. He has to feel bad that he got half the production for the same price.

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  9. kcxpx327 says:

    Can anyone convince me that Josh Johnson is safe to pick at all this year?

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  10. Howard's Bender says:

    No Felix?

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  11. hifilofi says:

    I don’t know what everyone sees in Trevor Cahill. Too many walks, not enough Ks, high ERA, inconsistent. I can see that he gets a lot of groundballs (so does Charlie Morton) and that he pitches for a good team (so does Joe Saunders) but what is there to really be excited about with his skill set? His “great secondary pitches” haven’t really translated to the statsheet (except for those 18 wins that one time). At his draft position I’d much rather have a Buerhle, Nicasio, Minor, Niese, Billinglsey, Capuano, et al.

    Can anyone build a compelling case for Cahill?

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    • Vin says:

      Basically depends on what you think of his stuff. He’s still only 24 this year, so there’s some decent upside if he can polish up his command.

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  12. Yankees123 says:

    If Brett Myers is traded (they are shopping him again) Who would be the likely closer for the Astros??

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