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		<title>By: David Golebiewski</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/index.php/big-zs-loss-of-ks/#comment-255</link>
		<dc:creator>David Golebiewski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 22:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott,

That is something that I was wrestling with while writing that passage. I think that there are a number of statistical similarities between the two, but we just don&#039;t know how body type will infuuence Zambrano as opposed to Martinez. Martinez was more of of a bean-pole type, to be sure.

Perhaps this is something I could attack via Baseball-Reference at some point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott,</p>
<p>That is something that I was wrestling with while writing that passage. I think that there are a number of statistical similarities between the two, but we just don&#8217;t know how body type will infuuence Zambrano as opposed to Martinez. Martinez was more of of a bean-pole type, to be sure.</p>
<p>Perhaps this is something I could attack via Baseball-Reference at some point.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/index.php/big-zs-loss-of-ks/#comment-253</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 21:44:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave:

Good article, and I have been concerned with Z&#039;s &quot;more normalized&quot; style of pitching.  My only problem with the article is the comparison to Ramon Martinez.  I guess I&#039;m in the camp that says with a bigger guy comes a stronger likelihood that his arm can take a little more abuse.  I could see comparisons between Gooden and Martinez due to their similar statures, but I can&#039;t say I lump Z in with them.  He&#039;d eat them both as a mid-morning snack.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave:</p>
<p>Good article, and I have been concerned with Z&#8217;s &#8220;more normalized&#8221; style of pitching.  My only problem with the article is the comparison to Ramon Martinez.  I guess I&#8217;m in the camp that says with a bigger guy comes a stronger likelihood that his arm can take a little more abuse.  I could see comparisons between Gooden and Martinez due to their similar statures, but I can&#8217;t say I lump Z in with them.  He&#8217;d eat them both as a mid-morning snack.</p>
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		<title>By: David Golebiewski</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/index.php/big-zs-loss-of-ks/#comment-249</link>
		<dc:creator>David Golebiewski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 20:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pre,

Both the cutter and splitter are separate pitches on Zambrano&#039;s pitch data.

I&#039;m actually a writer for Driveline Mechanics, too, so I&#039;m familiar with that Zambrano piece. And the article that Josh Kalk wrote does say,

&quot;He also isn&#039;t getting the same velocity he was with those pitches with his four seamer down one MPH and his cutter down half a MPH. &quot;

That pretty much jives with our data on this site. 

The 4-seamer is down in speed somewhat, though an increase in 2-seam fastballs thrown accounts for some of the velocity difference. 

I wouldn&#039;t say that I&#039;m predicting doom for Zambrano, but a tradeoff has been made in his K/9 and BB/9 ratios, and it&#039;s not a good one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pre,</p>
<p>Both the cutter and splitter are separate pitches on Zambrano&#8217;s pitch data.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m actually a writer for Driveline Mechanics, too, so I&#8217;m familiar with that Zambrano piece. And the article that Josh Kalk wrote does say,</p>
<p>&#8220;He also isn&#8217;t getting the same velocity he was with those pitches with his four seamer down one MPH and his cutter down half a MPH. &#8221;</p>
<p>That pretty much jives with our data on this site. </p>
<p>The 4-seamer is down in speed somewhat, though an increase in 2-seam fastballs thrown accounts for some of the velocity difference. </p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t say that I&#8217;m predicting doom for Zambrano, but a tradeoff has been made in his K/9 and BB/9 ratios, and it&#8217;s not a good one.</p>
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		<title>By: Pre</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:55:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the average fastball velocity you&#039;re using is simplistic, particularly since Zambrano throws several pitches in the general fastball category.

I don&#039;t think it can be used in that form to figure out if he arm is really wearing down.  http://www.drivelinemechanics.com/2008/8/29/603653/comparing-carlos-zambrano found that Zambrano is throwing his splitter a significantly larger amount of the time, and it&#039;s his slower fastball.

I&#039;m not saying his arm isn&#039;t wearing down, but I think it&#039;s premature to decide his career is going to decay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the average fastball velocity you&#8217;re using is simplistic, particularly since Zambrano throws several pitches in the general fastball category.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think it can be used in that form to figure out if he arm is really wearing down.  <a href="http://www.drivelinemechanics.com/2008/8/29/603653/comparing-carlos-zambrano" rel="nofollow">http://www.drivelinemechanics.com/2008/8/29/603653/comparing-carlos-zambrano</a> found that Zambrano is throwing his splitter a significantly larger amount of the time, and it&#8217;s his slower fastball.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying his arm isn&#8217;t wearing down, but I think it&#8217;s premature to decide his career is going to decay.</p>
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		<title>By: David Golebiewski</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Golebiewski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 18:25:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris,

to your comments, I&#039;ll just add this:

in his first year with the Reds, Baker led all managers in &quot;slow hooks&quot; and ranked 2nd in &quot;long outings&quot; (110+ pitches), according to the Bill James Handbook. 

Baker&#039;s starting staff had 4 pitchers in the top 30 in Pitcher Abuse Points, which attempts to measure the cumulative stress put on a pitcher by high pitch counts (Arroyo, Volquez, Harang, Cueto).

If I were Volquez or Cueto, I would literally hide from my manager.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris,</p>
<p>to your comments, I&#8217;ll just add this:</p>
<p>in his first year with the Reds, Baker led all managers in &#8220;slow hooks&#8221; and ranked 2nd in &#8220;long outings&#8221; (110+ pitches), according to the Bill James Handbook. </p>
<p>Baker&#8217;s starting staff had 4 pitchers in the top 30 in Pitcher Abuse Points, which attempts to measure the cumulative stress put on a pitcher by high pitch counts (Arroyo, Volquez, Harang, Cueto).</p>
<p>If I were Volquez or Cueto, I would literally hide from my manager.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 16:10:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can&#039;t believe you wrote the entire article without mentioning Dusty Baker.  Is it now accepted wisdom that his chief baseball legacy will be the shredded arms of onetime aces?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t believe you wrote the entire article without mentioning Dusty Baker.  Is it now accepted wisdom that his chief baseball legacy will be the shredded arms of onetime aces?</p>
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