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		<title>By: David Golebiewski</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Golebiewski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 15:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps I&#039;m wrong, but I just don&#039;t really see the justification for a signing like this. I&#039;ve never bought into the concept that &quot;we&#039;re underpaying player X, so let&#039;s overpay player Y.&quot; There are certain instances where overpaying for an additional win or two makes sense (for instance, when a team is on the cusp of playoff contention), but Miles does not provide that additional boost.

I guess what it comes down to for me is this: what were the other alternatives available, if we concede that the Cubs needed an additional middle infielder? With all due respect to Aaron Miles, I think we can agree that his skill set is not especially rare. I find it difficult to believe that a comparable alternative was not available, be it from minor league free agency, the waiver wire, a lower-level free agent signing or a small-scale trade. It&#039;s not an earth-shattering move, but Chicago gave a two-year commitment at about 2.5 mil per when a comparable talent likely could have been had for something near the league minimum (400K), with no strings attached. 

When we try to break down baseball economics, we tend to focus on the big, long-term deals, and justifiably so. But there&#039;s something to be said for wasting money on the margins of your roster as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps I&#8217;m wrong, but I just don&#8217;t really see the justification for a signing like this. I&#8217;ve never bought into the concept that &#8220;we&#8217;re underpaying player X, so let&#8217;s overpay player Y.&#8221; There are certain instances where overpaying for an additional win or two makes sense (for instance, when a team is on the cusp of playoff contention), but Miles does not provide that additional boost.</p>
<p>I guess what it comes down to for me is this: what were the other alternatives available, if we concede that the Cubs needed an additional middle infielder? With all due respect to Aaron Miles, I think we can agree that his skill set is not especially rare. I find it difficult to believe that a comparable alternative was not available, be it from minor league free agency, the waiver wire, a lower-level free agent signing or a small-scale trade. It&#8217;s not an earth-shattering move, but Chicago gave a two-year commitment at about 2.5 mil per when a comparable talent likely could have been had for something near the league minimum (400K), with no strings attached. </p>
<p>When we try to break down baseball economics, we tend to focus on the big, long-term deals, and justifiably so. But there&#8217;s something to be said for wasting money on the margins of your roster as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Kincaid</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/index.php/fontenot-miles-better-than-aaron/#comment-529</link>
		<dc:creator>Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 07:19:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aaron Miles isn&#039;t your typical veteran free agent.  He&#039;s a free agent because he was non-tendered:  he was under club- and cost-control, but the Cardinals didn&#039;t want him, so he became a free agent.  Those guys virtually never get what would typically be considered free-agent money.  Just because he&#039;s a free agent doesn&#039;t mean you have to give him 2 years and $5 million.  That&#039;s beyond his market value even as a free agent.  He was a free agent last year and he signed a $1.4 million contract.

There is not a deal out there that can be done with Cedeno that can&#039;t as easily be done without him.  Picking up a more expensive version of him just so you can try to trade him wouldn&#039;t make a whole lot of sense.

The Cubs don&#039;t have unlimited resources.  They&#039;re not the Yankees, and they&#039;re probably already overcommitted in payroll.  They need those cheap guys like Theriot and Fontenot to get around the big contracts they&#039;ve given out, and adding payroll where it&#039;s really not doing them any good doesn&#039;t make any more sense just because he&#039;s backing up the cheap players.  They&#039;re paying him the money no matter who he backs up, and he&#039;s not going to be much good no matter who he backs up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aaron Miles isn&#8217;t your typical veteran free agent.  He&#8217;s a free agent because he was non-tendered:  he was under club- and cost-control, but the Cardinals didn&#8217;t want him, so he became a free agent.  Those guys virtually never get what would typically be considered free-agent money.  Just because he&#8217;s a free agent doesn&#8217;t mean you have to give him 2 years and $5 million.  That&#8217;s beyond his market value even as a free agent.  He was a free agent last year and he signed a $1.4 million contract.</p>
<p>There is not a deal out there that can be done with Cedeno that can&#8217;t as easily be done without him.  Picking up a more expensive version of him just so you can try to trade him wouldn&#8217;t make a whole lot of sense.</p>
<p>The Cubs don&#8217;t have unlimited resources.  They&#8217;re not the Yankees, and they&#8217;re probably already overcommitted in payroll.  They need those cheap guys like Theriot and Fontenot to get around the big contracts they&#8217;ve given out, and adding payroll where it&#8217;s really not doing them any good doesn&#8217;t make any more sense just because he&#8217;s backing up the cheap players.  They&#8217;re paying him the money no matter who he backs up, and he&#8217;s not going to be much good no matter who he backs up.</p>
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		<title>By: Old Man Duggan</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/index.php/fontenot-miles-better-than-aaron/#comment-523</link>
		<dc:creator>Old Man Duggan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 04:29:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In any big deal they get done this offseason, a middle infielder will probably be involved.  My guess is that middle infielder will be Cedeno.  If that is the case, then the Miles signing makes sense if only for added depth.

Now while we all think $2.45 million is a lot, baseball teams are going to hand out contracts to veterans that fans see as too much.  We also like to play the role of fantasy GM and re-appropriate the money to some other player, which is not entirely fair as we&#039;re not privy to the inner workings of contract negotiations for starters and we are operating from the standpoint of fans with widespread disregard for other teams&#039; involvement in the free agency process.  

Honestly, $2.45 million a year is not that much to pay when your other three middle infielders are made just $.428 million (Theriot), $.407 million (Cedeno), and $.405 million (Fontenot) in 2008 and would not stand to see that much of an increase in salary.  

We may think Miles should be playing for league minimum, but that simply is not the lay of the land for veteran free agents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In any big deal they get done this offseason, a middle infielder will probably be involved.  My guess is that middle infielder will be Cedeno.  If that is the case, then the Miles signing makes sense if only for added depth.</p>
<p>Now while we all think $2.45 million is a lot, baseball teams are going to hand out contracts to veterans that fans see as too much.  We also like to play the role of fantasy GM and re-appropriate the money to some other player, which is not entirely fair as we&#8217;re not privy to the inner workings of contract negotiations for starters and we are operating from the standpoint of fans with widespread disregard for other teams&#8217; involvement in the free agency process.  </p>
<p>Honestly, $2.45 million a year is not that much to pay when your other three middle infielders are made just $.428 million (Theriot), $.407 million (Cedeno), and $.405 million (Fontenot) in 2008 and would not stand to see that much of an increase in salary.  </p>
<p>We may think Miles should be playing for league minimum, but that simply is not the lay of the land for veteran free agents.</p>
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		<title>By: Isaac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Isaac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 03:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t hate having Aaron Miles as a Cub, or maybe I do,(as long as he doesn&#039;t take time from the pocket rocket), but there&#039;s just one big fat problem, Aaron Miles already exists on the Cubs and he goes by the name of Ronny Cedeno. Aside from being in Lou&#039;s doghouse, there&#039;s no reason he shouldn&#039;t be the third infielder. Sadly, once you are invited into the doghouse, you usually don&#039;t come out. Also, the DeRosa deal was (largely) a salary dump, so why take half of the savings and waste it on a an unnecessary player who should be playing for the league minimum. This move stinks on all levels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t hate having Aaron Miles as a Cub, or maybe I do,(as long as he doesn&#8217;t take time from the pocket rocket), but there&#8217;s just one big fat problem, Aaron Miles already exists on the Cubs and he goes by the name of Ronny Cedeno. Aside from being in Lou&#8217;s doghouse, there&#8217;s no reason he shouldn&#8217;t be the third infielder. Sadly, once you are invited into the doghouse, you usually don&#8217;t come out. Also, the DeRosa deal was (largely) a salary dump, so why take half of the savings and waste it on a an unnecessary player who should be playing for the league minimum. This move stinks on all levels.</p>
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		<title>By: Old Man Duggan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Old Man Duggan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 03:27:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To me, it just seems like Aaron Miles is still riding on the fact that he was once a promising middle infielder for the Rockies and big things were expected because he was to be playing at Coors Field.  

That being said, two years at $2.45 million a year is kind of chump change for the Cubs, especially with the glut of serviceable young middle infielders they have under favorable contracts.  If Miles does play, then there&#039;s something wrong here, obviously, but for a 32-year-old veteran middle infielder to get the occasional spot start, enable roster flexibility, and fill in should someone get injured, it&#039;s not that bad a price for one of the haves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To me, it just seems like Aaron Miles is still riding on the fact that he was once a promising middle infielder for the Rockies and big things were expected because he was to be playing at Coors Field.  </p>
<p>That being said, two years at $2.45 million a year is kind of chump change for the Cubs, especially with the glut of serviceable young middle infielders they have under favorable contracts.  If Miles does play, then there&#8217;s something wrong here, obviously, but for a 32-year-old veteran middle infielder to get the occasional spot start, enable roster flexibility, and fill in should someone get injured, it&#8217;s not that bad a price for one of the haves.</p>
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		<title>By: Eli F.</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/index.php/fontenot-miles-better-than-aaron/#comment-513</link>
		<dc:creator>Eli F.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 21:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure what all the fuss is about.  Sure the Cubs overpaid for Miles, but it&#039;s pretty well known that Pinnella has a mancrush on Fontenot, and also has a jones for left handed hitters.  (I think it&#039;s some sort of deep seeded envy back from his playing days as a righty.)  Lou&#039;s also a big fan of the platoon as was witnessed in CF last season with Reed Johnson and Jim Edmonds.  

Look for Miles to fill in on occasion as a super sub, but expect Fontenot to be the opening day starter at 2b.  Think 450ab.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure what all the fuss is about.  Sure the Cubs overpaid for Miles, but it&#8217;s pretty well known that Pinnella has a mancrush on Fontenot, and also has a jones for left handed hitters.  (I think it&#8217;s some sort of deep seeded envy back from his playing days as a righty.)  Lou&#8217;s also a big fan of the platoon as was witnessed in CF last season with Reed Johnson and Jim Edmonds.  </p>
<p>Look for Miles to fill in on occasion as a super sub, but expect Fontenot to be the opening day starter at 2b.  Think 450ab.</p>
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		<title>By: Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 09:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Baseball-Reference lists BABIP in most of their splits, including platoon splits.  Fontenot had a .343 BABIP and .216 ISO against righties last year and has a .340 career BABIP and .175 career ISO against righties.  Miles had a .333 BABIP and .090 ISO against righties last year and .310/.078 over his career.  There&#039;s no doubt who should start against righties.  Fontenot has barely played against lefties, and Miles is a switch hitter, so maybe Pinella will be suckered into starting Miles against lefthanders, but Miles can&#039;t really hit them either.

For some reason, people think the fact that he has played multiple positions gives him more value too (St. Louis fans use that to compare him to Kennedy all the time), but he&#039;s not that good anywhere on the infield, it just so happens that he&#039;s been stuck everywhere.  Kennedy doesn&#039;t get time at short or third, but that doesn&#039;t mean he couldn&#039;t play them better than Miles.  There&#039;s a reason he&#039;s been non-tendered each of the last 2 years and that the first time he was non-tendered, no one else wanted him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Baseball-Reference lists BABIP in most of their splits, including platoon splits.  Fontenot had a .343 BABIP and .216 ISO against righties last year and has a .340 career BABIP and .175 career ISO against righties.  Miles had a .333 BABIP and .090 ISO against righties last year and .310/.078 over his career.  There&#8217;s no doubt who should start against righties.  Fontenot has barely played against lefties, and Miles is a switch hitter, so maybe Pinella will be suckered into starting Miles against lefthanders, but Miles can&#8217;t really hit them either.</p>
<p>For some reason, people think the fact that he has played multiple positions gives him more value too (St. Louis fans use that to compare him to Kennedy all the time), but he&#8217;s not that good anywhere on the infield, it just so happens that he&#8217;s been stuck everywhere.  Kennedy doesn&#8217;t get time at short or third, but that doesn&#8217;t mean he couldn&#8217;t play them better than Miles.  There&#8217;s a reason he&#8217;s been non-tendered each of the last 2 years and that the first time he was non-tendered, no one else wanted him.</p>
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		<title>By: JeremyR</title>
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		<dc:creator>JeremyR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 07:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you dread seeing him hit, just wait til you watch him in the field! Hopefully he&#039;ll get to play a lot of SS for you guys, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you dread seeing him hit, just wait til you watch him in the field! Hopefully he&#8217;ll get to play a lot of SS for you guys, too.</p>
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		<title>By: D Wrek</title>
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		<dc:creator>D Wrek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 00:14:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Though I like Miles as a bench guy, I wonder why they didnt just use Cedeno for this role.  Hed be cheaper, he could platoon with Fontenot and of course back up Theriot at SS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Though I like Miles as a bench guy, I wonder why they didnt just use Cedeno for this role.  Hed be cheaper, he could platoon with Fontenot and of course back up Theriot at SS.</p>
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		<title>By: Isaac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Isaac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 16:05:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I blogged about this very thing over on a Cubs website, and the thought of Lou giving Miles a majority of the at-bats is just sickening. If anyone can tell me where I can find his lefty righty splits with SABR-type stats, like BABIP and HR/FB against righties, that would be outstanding. I ask that because he was superb against righties, to the point that he turned into Chase Utley against them. I hope that at a minimum, Lou gives him the starting not against every right hander the Cubs face.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I blogged about this very thing over on a Cubs website, and the thought of Lou giving Miles a majority of the at-bats is just sickening. If anyone can tell me where I can find his lefty righty splits with SABR-type stats, like BABIP and HR/FB against righties, that would be outstanding. I ask that because he was superb against righties, to the point that he turned into Chase Utley against them. I hope that at a minimum, Lou gives him the starting not against every right hander the Cubs face.</p>
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