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		<title>By: Eric Cioe</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/index.php/kazmirs-loss-of-ks/#comment-6390</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Cioe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 00:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At least towards the end of this season, Lincecum wasn&#039;t able to get his velocity up past 94 much at all.  I&#039;d agree with you just fine if you could take a look at his game logs and see, when he needs a strikeout with the fastball, he could get it up to the 97s he used to hit.  But this year, especially in the second half, he just didn&#039;t have much velocity.  I know you can&#039;t argue with the results but it&#039;s still very disconcerting for a guy to lose that much velocity that quickly.

I think the Halladay comparison is a non-starter, because Halladay totally changed his approach and arsenal, while Lincecum kept his basically the same.  He&#039;s one of those guys who doesn&#039;t need an electric fastball to survive because of his great change and curve, but given that he used to throw 94 and by the end of the season he was averaging 90, I think that&#039;s reason for concern.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At least towards the end of this season, Lincecum wasn&#8217;t able to get his velocity up past 94 much at all.  I&#8217;d agree with you just fine if you could take a look at his game logs and see, when he needs a strikeout with the fastball, he could get it up to the 97s he used to hit.  But this year, especially in the second half, he just didn&#8217;t have much velocity.  I know you can&#8217;t argue with the results but it&#8217;s still very disconcerting for a guy to lose that much velocity that quickly.</p>
<p>I think the Halladay comparison is a non-starter, because Halladay totally changed his approach and arsenal, while Lincecum kept his basically the same.  He&#8217;s one of those guys who doesn&#8217;t need an electric fastball to survive because of his great change and curve, but given that he used to throw 94 and by the end of the season he was averaging 90, I think that&#8217;s reason for concern.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/index.php/kazmirs-loss-of-ks/#comment-6336</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 00:58:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reason Lincecum has stopped throwing his fastball 96-98 mph is he doesn&#039;t need to throw it that hard.  Roy Halladay is another pitcher who realized he didn&#039;t have throw the ball through the wall to get guys out.  Early in his career though, he struggled while throwing 95-97...

Lincecum is a small guy, and he has 3 plus pitches.  He can rear back and throw an electric fastball when he needs it, but why should he?  His ERA and WHIP are both lower than last year when he won the Cy Young Award.

I do agree with you about Chris O&#039;Leary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason Lincecum has stopped throwing his fastball 96-98 mph is he doesn&#8217;t need to throw it that hard.  Roy Halladay is another pitcher who realized he didn&#8217;t have throw the ball through the wall to get guys out.  Early in his career though, he struggled while throwing 95-97&#8230;</p>
<p>Lincecum is a small guy, and he has 3 plus pitches.  He can rear back and throw an electric fastball when he needs it, but why should he?  His ERA and WHIP are both lower than last year when he won the Cy Young Award.</p>
<p>I do agree with you about Chris O&#8217;Leary.</p>
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		<title>By: AJS</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/index.php/kazmirs-loss-of-ks/#comment-6250</link>
		<dc:creator>AJS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 18:49:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On an unrelated topic, what stuns me about these numbers is that MLB hitters have apparently gotten 10 percentage points better at making contact with pitches outside the strike zone in just four years (and nine percentage points better in just two years between &#039;05 and &#039;07). 

Does anyone have an explanation for how or why this might have happened?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On an unrelated topic, what stuns me about these numbers is that MLB hitters have apparently gotten 10 percentage points better at making contact with pitches outside the strike zone in just four years (and nine percentage points better in just two years between &#8217;05 and &#8217;07). </p>
<p>Does anyone have an explanation for how or why this might have happened?</p>
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		<title>By: opisgod</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/index.php/kazmirs-loss-of-ks/#comment-6242</link>
		<dc:creator>opisgod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 06:22:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Probably because Sheet&#039;s problem is arm-related and Shields is lower-body related.  Unless you are some sort of genetic freak, odds are you throw with your arm, so naturally a problem occurring in that location will have a greater impact than something to do with &quot;improper foot placement&quot;

Efficiency and timing, that&#039;s what needs to be concentrated on.  Kazmir has habitual rushing, but his delivery is also as inefficient as they come, it&#039;s no wonder he struggles to stay healthy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Probably because Sheet&#8217;s problem is arm-related and Shields is lower-body related.  Unless you are some sort of genetic freak, odds are you throw with your arm, so naturally a problem occurring in that location will have a greater impact than something to do with &#8220;improper foot placement&#8221;</p>
<p>Efficiency and timing, that&#8217;s what needs to be concentrated on.  Kazmir has habitual rushing, but his delivery is also as inefficient as they come, it&#8217;s no wonder he struggles to stay healthy.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Cioe</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/index.php/kazmirs-loss-of-ks/#comment-6240</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Cioe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 00:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand that Verlander and Chuck Hernandez tried a new approach in early 2008 and he never got comfortable with it and wasn&#039;t able to get his old, lower arm angle back until this season.  I&#039;m well aware of that, having watched all 7000+ pitches he&#039;s thrown in the last two seasons.  So I know.

The point was that Chris O&#039;Leary was using the same video clip in each to point out strengths in 2007 and flaws in 2008.  That&#039;s what I was remarking on.

O&#039;Leary&#039;s paper clip metaphor is fine, I guess, except that he seems to imply that mechanics are the only thing that matter in a pitcher&#039;s health.  It&#039;s a huge aspect of it, no doubt, and I&#039;ll take the guy with clean rather than fringey mechanics all else being equal.  But my point is, all else isn&#039;t equal.  That&#039;s why guys with as divergent mechanics as Maddux, Unit, Ryan, Clemens, and Mussina all threw tons of innings in their day.  Their mechanics weren&#039;t even close to the same, though there were similarities, particularly in their arm actions.  But they also had the same thing that some guys don&#039;t: a body that responded better to the load.  That&#039;s why James Shields, with his borderline mechanics, is a workhorse, while Ben Sheets, with his borderline mechanics, is unemployed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand that Verlander and Chuck Hernandez tried a new approach in early 2008 and he never got comfortable with it and wasn&#8217;t able to get his old, lower arm angle back until this season.  I&#8217;m well aware of that, having watched all 7000+ pitches he&#8217;s thrown in the last two seasons.  So I know.</p>
<p>The point was that Chris O&#8217;Leary was using the same video clip in each to point out strengths in 2007 and flaws in 2008.  That&#8217;s what I was remarking on.</p>
<p>O&#8217;Leary&#8217;s paper clip metaphor is fine, I guess, except that he seems to imply that mechanics are the only thing that matter in a pitcher&#8217;s health.  It&#8217;s a huge aspect of it, no doubt, and I&#8217;ll take the guy with clean rather than fringey mechanics all else being equal.  But my point is, all else isn&#8217;t equal.  That&#8217;s why guys with as divergent mechanics as Maddux, Unit, Ryan, Clemens, and Mussina all threw tons of innings in their day.  Their mechanics weren&#8217;t even close to the same, though there were similarities, particularly in their arm actions.  But they also had the same thing that some guys don&#8217;t: a body that responded better to the load.  That&#8217;s why James Shields, with his borderline mechanics, is a workhorse, while Ben Sheets, with his borderline mechanics, is unemployed.</p>
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		<title>By: opisgod</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/index.php/kazmirs-loss-of-ks/#comment-6233</link>
		<dc:creator>opisgod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 23:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What you said about Verlander just screams ignorance.  Everyone knows that the Tigers coaching staff tried to change his delivery for absolutely no reason and that&#039;s why he failed.  He went back to the old mechanics for 2009, and look what happened.  Chris could have done more in investigating as to why, so i guess he was a little naive as well.

The bottom line is, mechanics mean everything when it comes to prolonging careers.  Heck, even Johan Santana&#039;s borderline delivery finally caught up to him (even though i saw it coming, if you&#039;re losing control and have a declining fastball before 30 you might as well have a sign that says injury).  The more borderline your mechanics are the longer you are going to last, but the injury bug will get you eventually.

&quot;If you take a piece of soft metal (e.g. a straightened-out paper clip) and bend it back and forth repeatedly, it&#039;s not going to break the first time you bend it. Instead, it&#039;s going to handle the bending for maybe ten or every twenty cycles. However, it is gradually going to degrade to the point where it eventually breaks.&quot;

Chris basically summed it all up with this metaphor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What you said about Verlander just screams ignorance.  Everyone knows that the Tigers coaching staff tried to change his delivery for absolutely no reason and that&#8217;s why he failed.  He went back to the old mechanics for 2009, and look what happened.  Chris could have done more in investigating as to why, so i guess he was a little naive as well.</p>
<p>The bottom line is, mechanics mean everything when it comes to prolonging careers.  Heck, even Johan Santana&#8217;s borderline delivery finally caught up to him (even though i saw it coming, if you&#8217;re losing control and have a declining fastball before 30 you might as well have a sign that says injury).  The more borderline your mechanics are the longer you are going to last, but the injury bug will get you eventually.</p>
<p>&#8220;If you take a piece of soft metal (e.g. a straightened-out paper clip) and bend it back and forth repeatedly, it&#8217;s not going to break the first time you bend it. Instead, it&#8217;s going to handle the bending for maybe ten or every twenty cycles. However, it is gradually going to degrade to the point where it eventually breaks.&#8221;</p>
<p>Chris basically summed it all up with this metaphor.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Cioe</title>
		<link>http://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/index.php/kazmirs-loss-of-ks/#comment-6227</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Cioe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 21:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris O&#039;Leary is yet to be wrong?  Is that a joke?  Often, his &quot;analysis&quot; is directly related to performance.  Case in point: Justin Verlander.  2007, he&#039;s one of the premier young arms in baseball with effortless mechanics and perfect pronation.  2008, he&#039;s got a timing flaw and his foot lands heel first and his leg is stiff and that&#039;s why he was no good.  That&#039;d be fine, too, if he looked at his mechanics from one year to the next and found a hitch, but he was literally using the exact same video clip (of him in the minors or maybe spring training, circa 2006) to say opposite things.  He just &quot;hadn&#039;t noticed them before.&quot;  But he was on O&#039;Leary&#039;s list of &quot;best mechanics&quot; in 2007.  So forgive me for not taking Chris O&#039;Leary&#039;s word for it.

I think that mechanics are supremely important.  It bugs me, for instance, that no one has taught Joel Zumaya how to throw a fastball, and he keeps getting injured.  You can look at guys like Anthony Reyes or some other trainwreck with ugly arm action and say, &quot;no, that&#039;s probably not going to work.&quot;  But I do think that there is a range of acceptable mechanics.  Look at Nolan Ryan versus Randy Johnson.  Two guys, 4000+ innings, workhorses, etc, and they couldn&#039;t look more different.  There are similarities in arm action, I guess, but Ryan strode forever and Randy basically stands straight up.  Look at Josh Beckett.  He&#039;s got the long stride, decent arm action, and he&#039;s still only pitched 200 innings a couple of times.  James Shields is &quot;too slow to footplant&quot; but he throws 210 innings a year.  Tim Lincecum&#039;s mechanics are hailed as revolutionary but he lost 1.5 mph (!) off of his fastball in a year and struggled to average 90 down the stretch.  Matt Cain has ugly arm action but starts every 5th day.  CC Sabathia, Jered Weaver, and Ubaldo Jimenez have those super long arm actions that no one seems to like anymore and they&#039;ve throw lots of innings, but Rick Porcello and Homer Bailey have it and they are &quot;problematic.&quot; 

In short, I think there are many things one can do to lessen the chance of injury.  But individual biology has a role, too, and some guys are just plain going to be more durable than others.  Best case, you get a guy with clean mechanics who seems to be a workhorse, like Verlander or Haren or whoever.  But there are a number of pitchers with slight hitches in their mechanics that prove able to throw just as many innings as those guys, like Shields or Santana, who are much more useful than someone like Ben Sheets, who has decentish mechanics but whose body just doesn&#039;t seem to be able to withstand the workload.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris O&#8217;Leary is yet to be wrong?  Is that a joke?  Often, his &#8220;analysis&#8221; is directly related to performance.  Case in point: Justin Verlander.  2007, he&#8217;s one of the premier young arms in baseball with effortless mechanics and perfect pronation.  2008, he&#8217;s got a timing flaw and his foot lands heel first and his leg is stiff and that&#8217;s why he was no good.  That&#8217;d be fine, too, if he looked at his mechanics from one year to the next and found a hitch, but he was literally using the exact same video clip (of him in the minors or maybe spring training, circa 2006) to say opposite things.  He just &#8220;hadn&#8217;t noticed them before.&#8221;  But he was on O&#8217;Leary&#8217;s list of &#8220;best mechanics&#8221; in 2007.  So forgive me for not taking Chris O&#8217;Leary&#8217;s word for it.</p>
<p>I think that mechanics are supremely important.  It bugs me, for instance, that no one has taught Joel Zumaya how to throw a fastball, and he keeps getting injured.  You can look at guys like Anthony Reyes or some other trainwreck with ugly arm action and say, &#8220;no, that&#8217;s probably not going to work.&#8221;  But I do think that there is a range of acceptable mechanics.  Look at Nolan Ryan versus Randy Johnson.  Two guys, 4000+ innings, workhorses, etc, and they couldn&#8217;t look more different.  There are similarities in arm action, I guess, but Ryan strode forever and Randy basically stands straight up.  Look at Josh Beckett.  He&#8217;s got the long stride, decent arm action, and he&#8217;s still only pitched 200 innings a couple of times.  James Shields is &#8220;too slow to footplant&#8221; but he throws 210 innings a year.  Tim Lincecum&#8217;s mechanics are hailed as revolutionary but he lost 1.5 mph (!) off of his fastball in a year and struggled to average 90 down the stretch.  Matt Cain has ugly arm action but starts every 5th day.  CC Sabathia, Jered Weaver, and Ubaldo Jimenez have those super long arm actions that no one seems to like anymore and they&#8217;ve throw lots of innings, but Rick Porcello and Homer Bailey have it and they are &#8220;problematic.&#8221; </p>
<p>In short, I think there are many things one can do to lessen the chance of injury.  But individual biology has a role, too, and some guys are just plain going to be more durable than others.  Best case, you get a guy with clean mechanics who seems to be a workhorse, like Verlander or Haren or whoever.  But there are a number of pitchers with slight hitches in their mechanics that prove able to throw just as many innings as those guys, like Shields or Santana, who are much more useful than someone like Ben Sheets, who has decentish mechanics but whose body just doesn&#8217;t seem to be able to withstand the workload.</p>
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		<title>By: opisgod</title>
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		<dc:creator>opisgod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 05:14:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should also mention how high effort his delivery looks.  He throws almost entirely with his arm, which also looks off-time (as mentioned in the article), and combined with a 6 foot frame and his velocity that&#039;s just asking for trouble.

Chris O Leary has yet to be wrong in his evaluations (he called out Marcum for instance years before it happened) so I would take what he says as quite truthful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should also mention how high effort his delivery looks.  He throws almost entirely with his arm, which also looks off-time (as mentioned in the article), and combined with a 6 foot frame and his velocity that&#8217;s just asking for trouble.</p>
<p>Chris O Leary has yet to be wrong in his evaluations (he called out Marcum for instance years before it happened) so I would take what he says as quite truthful.</p>
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		<title>By: Alireza</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alireza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 22:28:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.chrisoleary.com/projects/Baseball/Pitching/ThePitchingMechanic/2006/ThePitchingMechanic_200608.html#Scott_Kazmir:_What_Happened

Kazmir has subtle mechanical issues that may well be hampering him.  Not the kind of shoulder and elbow destroying mechanics that Prior or Reyes have/had, but more of a long term thing.</description>
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<p>Kazmir has subtle mechanical issues that may well be hampering him.  Not the kind of shoulder and elbow destroying mechanics that Prior or Reyes have/had, but more of a long term thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Cioe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Cioe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, that&#039;s the second time you&#039;ve said that, but you haven&#039;t explained yourself.  Kazmir hasn&#039;t been hounded the way that guys like Anthony Reyes and Jeremy Bonderman have.  In fact, I&#039;m not even sure Ben Sheets and Rich Harden have had a ton of bad ink about their mechanics.  I&#039;ve read articles suggesting some hitches (Sheets&#039; arm is late at footplant and he puts a little too much stress on his scapula, Harden shows the ball to centerfield rather than third base), but they&#039;re not generally pointed to as mechanical trainwrecks to my knowledge and don&#039;t have any of the obvious, Joel Zumaya-type redflags.  And neither does Kazmir.

I think that in mechanical disucssions, people often put a little too much emphasis on them.  All good mechanics can do is minimize the chance of injury, but some bodies just don&#039;t seem able to stay healthy.  That&#039;s what I&#039;d say about Sheets, anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, that&#8217;s the second time you&#8217;ve said that, but you haven&#8217;t explained yourself.  Kazmir hasn&#8217;t been hounded the way that guys like Anthony Reyes and Jeremy Bonderman have.  In fact, I&#8217;m not even sure Ben Sheets and Rich Harden have had a ton of bad ink about their mechanics.  I&#8217;ve read articles suggesting some hitches (Sheets&#8217; arm is late at footplant and he puts a little too much stress on his scapula, Harden shows the ball to centerfield rather than third base), but they&#8217;re not generally pointed to as mechanical trainwrecks to my knowledge and don&#8217;t have any of the obvious, Joel Zumaya-type redflags.  And neither does Kazmir.</p>
<p>I think that in mechanical disucssions, people often put a little too much emphasis on them.  All good mechanics can do is minimize the chance of injury, but some bodies just don&#8217;t seem able to stay healthy.  That&#8217;s what I&#8217;d say about Sheets, anyway.</p>
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