MASH Report (7/21/14)

Well, I finally got through all the news after a week in New Mexico with my family. No injury prediction reports (PAIN or HURT) today, but will look at publishing them on Thursday (if not before).

• At the Hardball Times, Dan Farnsworth goes into detail on how wrist injuries affect hitters.  Here is his conclusion:

From these case studies, I suspect that hitters who tend to flatten out the bottom hand early and keep it flat through contact put greater strain on their wrist joints. This forces them to use more of their bones and ligaments to stabilize their swings, rather than their muscle mass. Muscles can be strengthened, while bones and other connective tissue cannot. Just like pitchers who are suffering from diminished velocity due to developing elbow instability, I expect hitters with this type of movement pattern to be more likely to suffer downturns in productivity.

 • Nolan Ryan and Rick Honeycutt think raising the pitching mound will decrease Tommy John surgeries.

 “I would put Nolan Ryan in charge of overseeing the slope of the pitcher’s mound,” said Honeycutt. “That would be a big help in dealing with the problem.”

“Seriously,” said Honeycutt. “Whenever I’d pitch in a park of a team Nolan pitched for, the mound was always so well-groomed, and was steep. Think about the onset of Tommy John surgery. It’s a modern-day thing. When did they lower the mound?”

Honeycutt’s belief is that the steeper the grade of the mound, the more stretched out a pitcher becomes before his foot hits the ground, and the more of the impact of throwing a pitch is absorbed by the lower body. With a limited grade, the contract between foot and mound comes quicker, and the shoulder area assums the brunt of the impact of the release of a baseball.

Ryan agrees.

“I always felt I had better leverage with a steeper mound, and it made a differences on the velocity of the fastball and break of the curveball,” said Ryan. “I never thought about what Honeycutt said, but I would say there is some truth to it. In those days [with higher mounds], the injuries were not as prevalent as they are now.”

In my opinion, it just sounds like to old farts talking about the good old days.

Lucas Giolito talks about the cause of his Tommy John surgery.

Giolito said he did not pitch much until 14 or 15 because he could not throw strikes. In his case, then, overuse could not be blamed for the injury. “It was a brutal combination of me throwing too hard,” he said, “and my body not being developed enough.”

• Some other minor leaguers talk about when their UCL tore.

Christian Binford

Binford remembered back five years ago, when he was a 10th grader pitching for the Mercersburg Academy in Pennsylvania. Up to the plate walked some stud on the other team who was good enough to attract 10-20 scouts.

“I’m going to try to one-up this guy,” Binford recalled thinking. “I had terrible mechanics. I was just trying to throw as hard as I could, and I didn’t know any better. I was having a great game up until that one pitch.” That pitch altered his life. “It popped. I could hear it,”

Steven Moya

And not just pitchers. Moya remembered the exact date he got hurt: July 16, 2012. “It was the most unexpected thing,” he said. “It was just a normal throw from foul territory in right field to third base and the ligament gave up.”

• Bob Cohn of the Trib looked at the rise of oblique injuries and gives the following information.

This season, 24 players have gone on the DL with oblique and related injuries through Friday. Before 2011, the most in any season was 29 during a 20-year time period studied by Los Angeles Dodgers trainer and medical director Stan Conte. In the past three seasons, Conte said, the totals were 50, 45 and 41.


When Conte latched on to the issue in 2011, he said he was inspired by “a bunch of name-brand players who were going down (with oblique injuries), and people asking questions we didn’t have answers for.” Assisted by several orthopedists, he started researching the type, frequency and possible causes of abdominal injuries that sent players to the DL.

Conte compiled lots of data. Three years later, answers remain elusive.

“They really can’t pinpoint one thing,” Tomczyk said. “There are a lot of variables.”

OK, let me run Stan’s numbers (who I completely trust) against mine.

Note: Conte’s numbers include all abdominal injuries, so I will also.

Season DL Trip Days Per Trip
2002 31 34
2003 35 37
2004 38 38
2005 28 34
2006 37 34
2007 37 36
2008 29 46
2009 34 35
2010 39 38
2011 58 32
2012 50 38
2013 49 31

The numbers are a bit different, but the trend is the same with a decent spike over the past three seasons. One issue is the overall number of DL stints have also been increasing over past three seasons. Non-core DL stints have gone from an average of 406 per season from 2002 to 2010 to 449 from 2011 to 2013 or a 11% increase. The core injuries have gone from 34 per season to 52 per season or a 53% increase. A fair significant jump compared to the overall injury rate.

Additionally, switch-hitters may have more core injuries.

Conte said switch-hitters might be especially susceptible because they have two different swings. Walker, a switch hitter, was batting left-handed when he swung against Cubs righty Edwin Jackson last July at Wrigley Field.

I will totally disagree with Conte here. It seems switch-hitters are less likely to have abdominal injures. Of the position players with the injury over the whole time frame, 7.3% were switch hitters. Over the same time frame, 14.9% of the PA went to switch-hitters (and 14.7% of the players with any PA were switch-hitters). Switch-hitters historically are less than half as likely to have an abdominal injury.

• MLB Radio did a two hour show on Tommy John surgeries this past week. Here is a link to the audio highlights.

Matt Cain‘s “elbow has been cranky at times going back to spring training.” The injury is a nice excuse from season long struggles. And he just goes on the DL.

Cliff Lee returns to start for the Phillies tonight. I don’t like starting him in daily lineup leagues today. He was out with an arm issue. It took over 2 months to return. He didn’t dominate his rehab starts in A ball. He is stubborn and didn’t even want to pitch in the rehab games. I think he is coming back too early. I would wait to see where his velocity stands and if he can hit his spots.

Miguel Cabrera is probably still dealing with a lingering injury.

When Cabrera said last week that he wasn’t going to take part in the Home Run Derby, he said it was about his swing, that he didn’t want to mess it up anymore. Go all the way back to the second week of the season, and Cabrera said he felt good but that his swing wasn’t right. Cabrera wasn’t keen on using injuries as an excuse down the stretch last year, either. So Cabrera saying he’s good doesn’t mean he’s healthy.

He is a big guy and on the wrong side of 30. It shouldn’t be a surprise he is hurt and producing less.

Josh Beckett plans on returning Tuesday to pitch. If you want to start him, read the following and make your own choice.

The Dodgers expect to have Josh Beckett back on the mound Tuesday, but the right-hander could be battling a hip injury for the remainder of the season. Beckett was forced to exit his July 6 start after five scoreless innings when he felt a twinge in his left hip while running the bases. An MRI showed hip impingement, but Beckett revealed Saturday that the diagnosis is a torn labrum with two cysts.


“I don’t think [the feeling is] going to go away, I think that’s just going to be something I might have to deal with,” Beckett said. “I feel like as long as I’m not messing up my mechanics and I feel like I can get people out, I’m just going to ride it out until the end of the year.”

My choice is simple, stay away at least for a few starts.

Evan Gattis is supposed to be activated by the Braves today.

Josh Reddick is scheduled to come off the DL tomorrow.

Doug Fister doesn’t like the new protective caps.

“I don’t like them,” Fister said. “Too bulky, too heavy. Throws you off balance to me so far. If it’s gonna be something that’s usable, it’s got to be smaller and lighter.”

Fastball Velocity Watch for Pitchers Returning From the DL

Francisco Liriano‘s fastball speed is back up to his 2013 levels.

Brett Anderson‘s velo is at his lowest level over the past three seasons. Could he still be hurt?

Joe Kelly‘s is fine.

A.J. Ramos‘s velocity is the same as 2014, but down from 2013.

Players on the DL

Players on the DL

(*) 15 Day Disabled List
(**) 60 Day Disabled List
(***) 7 Day Concussion List
(****) Free Agent Red colored entries are updates since last report.

Major League Report

Minor Leaguers on DL

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Jeff writes for FanGraphs, The Hardball Times and Royals Review, as well as his own website, Baseball Heat Maps with his brother Darrell. In tandem with Bill Petti, he won the 2013 SABR Analytics Research Award for Contemporary Analysis. Follow him on Twitter @jeffwzimmerman.

12 Responses to “MASH Report (7/21/14)”

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  1. drewcorb says:

    Don’t Ryan and Honeycutt think RAISING, not lowering, the mound will decrease Tommy John surgeries? Or am I misunderstanding them?

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  2. Jamie says:

    Rick Honeycutt can blame the lower mound for the perceived increase in elbow injuries, but I choose to blame the introduction of Magnetic Resonance Imaging.

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  3. byron says:

    Sure, let’s raise the mound, there definitely aren’t enough strikeouts in baseball right now.

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  4. Mike Wimmer says:

    Would you drop Beckett for Jacob deGrom? I simply dont trust Beckett trying to gut out starts with his hip and it sounds like you wouldnt use him for the next 2-3 weeks, that seems like a long time to hold onto someone at a pretty deep position.

    Also, would you leave Jordan Zimmerman on the bench Tuesday? Coming off a injury and starting at Coors, seems like a must bench even as much as I like Zimmerman correct?

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    • Jeff Zimmerman says:

      I would drop Beckett for deGrom, the best you can hope for with Beckett is what deGrom is producing.

      Also the more I think on Beckett, I bet the Dodgers are trying to find out if he can pitch down the stretch or they need to find a replacement for him. I don’t like the Beckett situation and you can wait and see how his next start goes.

      As a general rule, I bench every pitcher going into Coors, especially one who may have medical issues.

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  5. TH_BINN says:

    Love this feature. Two updates:

    Archie Bradley has returned:

    As has Addison Russell:

    They should be removed from the “Minor Leaguers on DL” portion of the spreadsheet.

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    • Jeff Zimmerman says:

      Thanks, I was going to look at those in detail later this week. It was an insane amount of info I had to get through today.

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  6. mymaus says:

    Drop Wacha for Votto in my H2H OBP league? Press over the last 2 days says that Votto will be back 8/25 and Wacha 9/1. Our playoffs run from 9/1-9/21.

    On one hand, my pitching is a little weaker than my hitting (Wacha would replace Hammels, Votto would replace K. Davis) and Votto will probably not be 100% when back and may be shut down if the Reds fall out of it.

    On the other hand, Votto will still be a OBP stud and may contribute in R’s if they put him back near top of lineup (these are my 2 weakest offensive cats.) and Wacha may have rust to get rid of right during my playoffs.

    Votto or Wacha?

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    • Jeff Zimmerman says:

      I would keep Votto, but it is a tough call if you need pitching. Wacha MRI yesterday came back good:
      The Cardinals reportedly received good news about young right-hander Michael Wacha on Monday, with the St. Louis Post-Dispatch reporting that an MRI and CT scan on his right shoulder showed encouraging results.

      The hope is now that Wacha can begin a throwing program in two weeks, according to the Post-Dispatch.

      “This is positive,” Cardinals general manager John Mozeliak told Hummel. “This still could put him [pitching for St. Louis] in early September.”

      The key word in there is “could” I may look for pitching between now and then like Danny Salazar.

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  7. Mike Wimmer says:

    Do you feel safe dropping Andrew Cashner? Someone in my league dropped Michael Cuddyer, who just got good news on his shoulder and appears set for a mid-August return. I could always use another bat and my pitching is pretty deep with Arrieta and Quintana pitching like they are.

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