Projections & Victor Martinez

Over the last four or five years, Joe Mauer, Brian McCann, and Victor Martinez have been the gold standard for fantasy catchers. Jorge Posada was a fine fourth wheel for a while, and now Buster Posey is forcing his way into the picture, but for the most part it’s been those three and everyone else. We have every reason to expect Mauer and McCann to continue their greatness in 2011, but what about the new Tiger V-Mart? The various projection systems aren’t bullish on him this year. Let’s round ‘em up…

Bill James: .298/.369/.472, 19 HR, 88 RBI, 69 R (572 PA)

Fans: .297/.362/.467, 20 HR, 93 RBI, 79 R (603 PA)

Marcel: .286/.349/.448, 16 HR, 74 RBI, 63 R (536 PA)

ZiPS: .286/.346/.454, 17 HR, 74 RBI, 59 R (521 PA)

CAIRO: .291/.350/.464, 19 HR, 82 RBI, 65 R (547 PA)

I’m not going to bother to mention stolen bases since that’s not Martinez’ game, and I’ll leave his now-released PECOTA projection out since it’s behind the pay wall. The system hates him though, it’s easily the low man. If we do a real quick and dirty average weighed by PA, we get: .291/.356/.461, 18 HR, 83 RBI, 67 R in 557 PA.

For a catcher, that’s studly and you’d take it every day of the week, but it’s a bit of a downer by Martinez’s standards. Last year he hit .302/.351/.493, his lowest OPS and second lowest wOBA (.364) ever (min. 300 PA), though he did miss time with the thumb fracture. Over the last four years he’s hit .299/.365/.475, and that’s really dragged down by 294 PA with a .308 wOBA in 2008 (elbow surgery). The projections clearly foresee a step down for V-Mart, though he’s unlikely to turn into a total pumpkin just yet.

The obvious change is the ballpark. Going from Fenway Park (104 RHB/106 LHB wOBA park factors according to StatCorner) to Comerica Park (96/104) will certainly chip away at Martinez’s production some, there’s no way around it. He won’t be able to count on the big handball court in left field to turn a few routine fly balls in doubles.

The other big difference is the players around him. The Red Sox and Tigers posted nearly identical OBPs as a team last year (.339 to .335), but Boston had a major edge in wOBA (.345 vs. .329) because of power. Again, the ballpark factors into that, but a less potent offense around Martinez means the fewer RBI and runs scored opportunity he’ll have.

And, of course, we can’t ignore the age factor. Martinez turned 32 last month, and most catchers tend to show signs of decline and significant wear-and-tear right around that age. He’s spent considerable time at first base over the last few years, so perhaps V-Mart can stave off Father Time for the time being. It’s worth keeping in mind, though.

The projection systems are fun and great tools but they aren’t predictions. Martinez is still a tremendously valuable fantasy asset, especially since he has catcher eligibility and figures to get a ton of DH time in 2011, but it’s very likely that his best years are behind him.

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  1. Jimmy says:

    Victor’s career numbers in Comerica: .244/.327/.395 in 392 plate appearances.

    I’d say those projections are about right, given his age and his new environment.

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    • Matt C says:

      Those are actually his career numbers against the Tigers. They’re even worse at Comerica Park where he is .225/.321/.349, but seeing how his numbers are well below career norms anytime he plays the Tigers you have to wonder if it has more to do with the park or the Tigers pitching staff why his numbers are so bad at Comerica. Maybe the Tigers just had his number.

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  2. DWrek says:

    That last paragraph is a pretty improtant point fantasy wise, lots of AB’s for a catcher.

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  3. mo says:

    I see v-mart getting at least 600 PA due to less catching which will positively effect his value

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    • MTUCache says:

      600PAs would be a very full season for him, I agree… but I wonder about Leyland’s ability to keep his lineup that fluid. With Guillen and Ordonez both aging rapidly, and MCab coming out of the lineup as little as possible, if VMart is going to get to 600PAs, he’s probably going to have to be catching at least two days per week.

      Over the past few years, if there’s area of Leyland’s managerial skill that I’ve been critical of, it’s his ability to find a lineup that works consistantly and stick with it. Far too many 4th-OF types keep finding their way into the top half of the lineup. He got lucky last season with the performances of Boesch/Raburn, but neither of them is anything close to a sure thing this season.

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      • Matt C says:

        From what I heard their plan is to start him at C against lefties and DH him against righties. For reference they played 47 games against LH starters last year. On those days they could probably DH Ordonez to rest him and have Wells in the field. Then Martinez will probably play 1B a dozen games or so and have Cabrera DH to give him a break. So if Leyland plays it right he should be able to get Cabrera, Martinez and Ordonez in the lineup virtually every day while giving them each time to rest by DHing them. So if Martinez stays healthy I really don’t see any reason why he won’t get 600 PAs.

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