Why I Think ottoneu Leagues Will Last

The below is a slightly modified email I sent yesterday to John, who has graciously allowed me to use the conversation for this post.  This is an open conversation, so I’d love to hear your thoughts in the comments.

From: Niv Shah
Subject: Re: One potential customer’s thoughts
To: “John Meyer”
Date: Wednesday, March 16, 2011, 4:45 PM

Hi John,

First, I want to thank you for your well-thought out email.  It is great for me to get feedback like this, it helps me understand what my potential customers are thinking and its a great insight for me when thinking about what I should work on next.

I could not agree with you more about your underlying question about ottoneu.  This sentence of yours sums it up the best:

It requires people who are able to give a long-term and dedicated commitment, which is generally found only among acquaintances and friends, and it also requires people who are very serious baseball fans, which, for a full league, is generally found only among strangers on the internet.

So, here are my arguments as to why ottoneu is uniquely situated to limit this problem, as well as some for how when we inevitably run into this problem next offseason we plan on handling it.

First, I should start by stating that I have been in an ottoneu league for over 5 years.  In that time, 3 people have dropped out.  2 dropped out before the game started – said they would play, and quit before the draft.  1 dropped out after year 3 because he had to focus on other personal obligations.  A replacement was found in each case pretty quickly.  While everyone in the league is a friend of a friend by some degree, not everyone knows everyone, and there are definitely owners that have been in tough roster situations and could easily have quit, but have chosen not to.  Granted, this is a limited anecdote, but I believe it has some value to your concerns.

Second, there are a number of reasons why ottoneu, unlike other fantasy leagues, will work better with strangers from a competitive balance standpoint.  Year over year, there are a number of things in place to make sure each team has an opportunity to win at the beginning of the season – deadline trades, arbitration, the very nature that expensive superstars are sent back to auction every season by the way inflation and mid-season trades work all help give teams a chance to win every year.  I’m happy to discuss any of these in more detail if you have any questions about them.

Third, the fact that you are in a league with 11 other like-minded individuals who had to pay money to play, which more than anything acts as a barrier of entry to just mindlessly joining a league and ignoring it by June, will help attrition greatly.  In a sense, everyone else in the league has the same mindset as you when joining – is this league going to stay together, or are 3 teams going to quit, etc – yet they have chosen to play, making their implicit statement that they are probably not going to be the team that is going to drop out and ruin the league.  Beyond that, the game requires a lot of trading and interacting with the other owners, and while it might seem silly, the camaraderie from these interactions are a huge boost in keeping leagues together.

Finally, while we have been hesitant to mention it at this point of the year, we have a plan for an interesting way to redistribute teams in the case that an owner does decide for whatever reason to drop out or not renew their team.  We plan on offering abandoned teams at a half-off for the first season starting price, which brings in new owners to inherit disbanded teams at a discount in year one.  We believe this will help league health and limit the number of leagues that are faced with a completely abandoned team for an entire year.

I believe all of these points in total will really help attrition year over year, though obviously it will not solve the problem completely.  Towards that, the only other thing I can say is that so far I have had nothing but excellent responses from some of our public owners.  Many leagues have drafted already, people have repeatedly told me that it is one of the best draft experiences out there, and so far the ‘strangers’ issue just hasn’t been a problem for these leagues.

So, that is my argument.  I’d love to hear your thoughts more, and if you’re ok with it I would like to use this conversation as the basis for a post on FanGraphs/RotoGraphs tomorrow.

Thanks again for the great email!
Niv Shah

The only point I’d like to add to this already long post is that as long as I still need to administer my league, I’ll be here to help administer your leagues and add features and answer questions and help out in any way that I can.  My league has been going strong for six years and I don’t see it ending any time soon.

If you have questions that you want to send me directly, you can reach me at help AT ottoneu DOT com, and if any of this answers your concerns, there is still plenty of time to join a league or start a league today.




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  1. Glen says:

    Ok…what is an Ottonue League? Your long winded essay assumes we know what it is in the first place.

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  2. Big Jgke says:

    I have trouble getting 12 friends and randoms together for a yahoo H2H season, there’s no way that a league like these survives many seasons if people aren’t 1000% committed. would be shocked if by the beginning of next season there are 20 functioning leagues.

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  3. LuckyStrikes says:

    We had our draft two weeks ago. I know just over half of the owners, but everyone agrees the draft was one of the best ever and it’s already apparent those owners I do not know really know their stuff, which implies commitment long term, particularly if you look at our minor league rosters. Prospects = Hope.
    In two weeks there have already been nine trades. We’re still two weeks away from opening day. Should be a fantastic season in Ottoneu.

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  4. Dudley says:

    is there a place to see the average auction values for the drafts that have occurred so far? it’d be helpful for a rookie like me.

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    • Niv Shah says:

      We are figuring out the best way to publish these publicly, but if you email me I can get you these if you’re coming up on a draft or something.

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  5. fantasystud1305 says:

    Had a draft that concluded tonight with eleven others that I do not know. All 12 made the draft every night and I have confidence that the league will be a success. At some point I am sure that one or two will drop out but I think that we will be able to find some replacements.

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  6. Kyle says:

    If you have the patience to sit through a 8 effin hour draft, and you paid, you aren’t gonna just back out cause your team isn’t great the first year. In fact, when I don’t have a good team it always inspires me that much more the next yr.

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  7. R M says:

    It seems like this kind of format is only going to attract people who know what they’re getting into anyway.

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  8. Albert Lyu says:

    Interestingly, those who praise this format are those who have already participated in an ottoneu draft and those who are skeptical are remaining so and are staying out. I, for one, am not a traditional fantasy player (haven’t played since high school), but participating in the FG Staff League draft was one of the most exhilirating sports-related experiences in my life. Not knowing your stuff really gets exposed during the draft, but I am definitely looking forward to this season and building for the future. Definitely need to trade away at least one of those $35+ SPs…

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  9. Dave R says:

    The long-term, fantasy baseball “franchise” format has worked very successfully in the past. I’ve played in a Benchwarmer Baseball league for over 10 years now. Only dedicated players self-select into these types of leagues.

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  10. Will Groves says:

    I love the idea of ottoneu, but unfortunately the problem is money. One, baseball is a long season, so the only way to keep average people interested is the chance to win money. The trouble with ottoneu is that it already cost 10, and most people do not want to shell out 20 (10 for winnings.) I like playing with people I know, but most aren’t ready to shell out 20 for fantasy baseball

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  11. George.Damian says:

    Is is possible to add a second owner to a team?

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    • Niv Shah says:

      If you’re interested in having a co-owner, email me and I can see if I can hook that up. I don’t have a way on the site to designate a co-owner right now, but it is doable.

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