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Red Sox owner John Henry emailed the media late last night and said, in regards to Mark Teixeira, “after hearing about his other offers, however, it seems clear that we are not going to be a factor.” I think

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Uh, but in the quote you give, the offer that Boras was spinning was *real*, wasn’t it?  That doesn’t really back up your larger point.

Craig Calcaterra
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It was in the Damon case, but I question whether that was a situation in which the Boston Brass truly didn’t believe the other offer or if, alternatively, they were simply content to let Damon go.

But yeah, Boras could have a real offer out there.  If Teixeira signs with the Yankees, we can probably assume he wasn’t bluffing.  If he signs with the Red Sox or Nats, we can probably assume that he is.

pete
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Good for Henry, sure, but if Boras is out there spewing BS to squeeze out the last penny for his clients, good for him, too.

MooseinOhio
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If the Sox really drew a line in the sand (i.e. with terms of contract) then I am in full support.  If they are calling Boras’ bluff, and I believe that he has inflated what others are offering, and they lose him as a result but don’t overpay (man it is hard to say 8x$20 was already a ridiculous amount to pay), then I am in full support.  In fact if they do not sign him I will buy one of the new blue jerseys as a sign of support.  Needless to say – I am getting a little tired… Read more »
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Teix should just be grateful for whatever the Red Sox are willing to offer him, I guess. How dare he ask for more of John Henry’s money! I get so tired of this “Boras is evil, Boras is ruining the game” stuff, and I really can’t understand how fans put players on a pedestal, then turn around and argue that they shouldn’t be asking for as much money as they can possibly get from ridiculously wealthy owners. I like Teix, and Manny, and CC—why wouldn’t I want them to get as much money as they can? If the Red Sox… Read more »
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You don’t suppose this is John Henry’s way of reminding Boros of the role Boros played in Manny’s sit-down strike last year?

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I love the bluff, if that’s indeed what it is.  I also love the line in the sand, if that’s what it is.

Time that someone held their ground with big, bad Boras.

And FWIW, the NY papers are saying the Yanks were not the highest bidder.  Guessing that Cashman, like his counterparts in Boston, had a line they would step up to and not much further.

Enjoy the Nats, Teix.  Just as ARod enjoyed the Rangers in 2001 or whatever.  The highest offer doesn not always equal happiness when that team are perennial bottom feeders.

pete
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pete

You’re acting like he already took the Nats’ offer…or by listening to their offer, he’s decided that he’d be willing to play there for $1 more.

I don’t see anything wrong with Teix seeing all the best offers on the table, then making a fully informed decision about where he wants to play.

Ron
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Ron

Yeah, millionares getting richer, and I’m supposed to cry a tear becasue someone only offered to pay them $123,000,000 to play a game, and they feel offfended.

Using the argument that they should be able to get all they can get is complete crap. Back in the days of $100,000 contracts, I might have bought it.

But not today. Selling yourself to the highest bidder in prostitution, no matter how you look at it. They could at least exhibit a little bit of integrity and proffessionalism.

Ron
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Ron

And, yeah, I’m calling Boras a glorified pimp.

Jason @ IIATMS
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Jason @ IIATMS

Ron, would you rather the Owners pocketing 80% of the $6.6B in revenues?  when there were $100k contracts, the pie was less than a billion, in all likelihood.

I’m more pro-Labor, pro-Capitalism in my leanings.

Craig Calcaterra
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Craig Calcaterra

Ron—why should owners be allowed to drive the hardest bargain they can but not the players?

(note: my issue with Boras is not that he drives a hard bargain. It’s that, based on what many have said, he often crosses the line between puffery (“there are A LOT of teams out there who want to sign my client, so you had better act fast”) and just lying (“I just received a $200M offer from the Yankees, which we will accept unless you match or beat it”).

Ron
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I don’t have a problem with them getting as much money as they can. That’s a free market ecomony and its a good thing. I have a problem with guys who are making hundreds of millions of dollars complaining about respect and expecting us to sympathize with them, especially considering the tactic they use. And I particularly have a problem with the dirty tactics used by the agents to get the money. Any owner who doesn’t use proper tactics should be punished also. Remember in ‘87, when the Players Union sued for millions of dollars for collusion, and won. I’d… Read more »
Jason @ IIATMS
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Jason @ IIATMS

Ron: They will listen when we stop going to the games.  Until then, we’re just sheep with wallets.

Ron
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Ron

Hey, I’m doing my part.

No, fair point. I don’t have a problem with the big contracts. I wish I could have one.

I would just like to see guys like Boras and Tellem get hit for their dirty tactics, like the owners got.

christopher
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Pete, I think what bothers the public (and me) about Boras is that it doesn’t seem like he negotiates in good faith.  And that is pretty off-putting when the dollars involved are so mind-boggling to the average person.

MooseinOhio
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All this revenue that baseball owners and players fight over come from where again?  Oh yeah – people like you and I that love baseball and can afford to attend games, buy packages to watch our favorite teams and clothes our children in the regalia of our favorite teams in hopes they too follow the teams of our youth.  So when the our pocketbooks are hurting baseball pocketbooks will hurt as well – maybe not quite to the same extent but the effect of the poor economy will be felt. Maybe because I live in one of the poorest sections… Read more »
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Boras pissed me off because his tactics are unethical or very very close to being so.  That’s the problem I have with him.  Yes, he is obligated to attempt to get the best contract for his clients, but there is a line to be drawn and Boras crosses it often.  Any time anyone stands up to those tactics is a victory for ethics, whether or not it’s a gajillionaire owner who is making the stand. I think the difference in my mind is where the money comes from.  John Henry, for example, made his money in trading commodities futures.  That… Read more »
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I don’t really have a problem with Boras lying in negotiations, because there’s a perfect check for that: At some point, a team will call him on it and his client will lose big. If the team doesn’t call him on it, obviously they were willing to pay the price. If Boras lies to the Red Sox and says, “I have a $250M offer” and the Sox offer $260M, doesn’t it follow that they value Teix at $260M? Why should we feel bad for the team or have negative feelings toward Boras for getting the maximum amount the team is… Read more »
pete
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I don’t think it’s about how the owners made their money…I think it’s more that: a) We’re jealous of people who get to play a game for money. b) We don’t know exactly how much owners are making. When Drayton McLane says that the team just can’t afford to bring in Jake Peavy, we tend to believe him. The bold ones even try to claim that they’re losing money. c) We don’t like it when players leave our favorite team, so we find a reason to justify our new-found dislike. Jim Thome is a bad guy if you’re an Indians… Read more »
MooseinOhio
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My struggle is more philosophical in nature than practical as I understand that what athletes, even the wealthiest, earn can often pale in comparison to corporate executives and many other white collar folks – John Henry is case in point.  It just grate me the wrong way that one of the wealthiest teams in sports (i.e. Yankees) has the gall to request the level of public financing they have and then break the bank in signing players.  They reap all the benefits of capitalism while seeking financing via corporate welfare.  My frustration is also with communities that vote for public… Read more »
Daniel
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Daniel
I definitely have a problem with lying because it’s lying.  It absolutely DOES NOT follow that if Boras says there’s a $250 million offer on the table and the Sox offer $260 million then the Sox value him at $260 million.  He might only be worth $240 million to the Sox and anything above that would bring them less of a return.  However, they may very well still pay that $20 million as a premium since having the asset is better than not having it.  In this case, it turns out that they paid $20 million because someone lied to… Read more »
TC
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To be honest, I don’t really hate Boras, at all.  I understand every complaint with him, but as I see it, he’s just representing his clients as vigorously as possible, putting their apparent desires above any sort of ethical quandaries.  That said, I love that the Red Sox have decided that they don’t want to play Boras’ games.  Whether they sniffed an attempt to make them bid against themselves, or if they just don’t think Teixeira is worth more than they’re offering, I think it’s fabulous that (finally) a team has realized that the consumers can (and do) dictate the… Read more »
pete
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Daniel: And what would you call it when teams, throughout history, have told players: “We just can’t afford to pay you X”? They’ve lied the whole way through, and I can assure you that they aren’t going to be paying anyone more than is profitable for them.

If the Red Sox choose to offer Mark Teixeira $260M, it’s because they’ve decided that they can pay him that much and still make a profit. And if he’s worth that much to them, why should he accept a lower offer and allow them to take the rest as profit?

Daniel
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Daniel
Pete, I’m not saying Teixeira should accept less than what someone is willing to pay him.  I’m arguing that the means to get to that point are unethical and not consistent with the system baseball has set up to sign free agents.  In my opinion there is a huge difference in these two statements: 1. “Based on this data that I’ve compiled, the price for Teixeira is $250 million.” vs 2. “Based on this offer we already have (which doesn’t really exist) for $249 million, the price for Teixeira is $250 million.” One is ethical and one is not.  Is… Read more »
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