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This one comes in response to the Vote Manny post. You may be surprised to hear that it comes from David, who is one of ShysterBall’s least popular commenters. I know, but (a) it’s a good comment; and (b) I try to give everyone a chance. Not that I didn’t have to delete a somewhat offensive non-sequitur from it first . . .

Wait a sec.

Just yesterday there was a link here at ShysterBall to an article that says that MLB is worried about their Fox ratings (the World Series and this year’s games have, apparently, all been clunkers).

So, what better way for MLB Inc. to drum up publicity then to once again rush off to the “steroids” well? It never runs dry, and fans genuinely love it.

In 1999, MLB Inc. did something similar by exploiting Pete Rose for free publicity for the “All-Century Team” at both the All-Star game and the World Series. So they’ve done it before and, mark my words, they’ll do it again.

Manny Ramirez will be an All-Star. I 100% guarantee it. Even if the fans don’t vote him in, the suits will make sure that he’s there somehow. This will create the predictable media maelstrom, complete with ESPN polls and Lupica and Plaschke ranting and raving in faux outrage, which will, in turn, generate more eyeballs to the TV.

Tell the fellas running that blog that they needn’t bother: Bud Selig is already working overtime to make sure that Manny’s in St. Louis this July.

David may be slightly nuts, but I don’t know that I disagree with him here.


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Sara K
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Sara K

Some conspiracy theories are more believable than others. wink

David
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David

Appreciate the recognition!  I’ll feel really vindicated come July when Manny is roundly booed at the game by the phony fans and, yet again, my peerless powers of prognostication are proven precise. 

(For the record, I’m not a nut at all.  It’s obvious that I’m a crank (so were Edison and Ford) but I never lie and everything I say is abundantly substantiated.  That might not make some of my comments appropriate for a baseball site, but is worshiping the military appropriate for a baseball game?)

Pete Toms
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Pete Toms

Guess I’m not up to speed on what the Shyster flock are discussing, I didn’t know David is unpopular.

Anyway…I’m not cynical enough to believe MLB would rig the voting but I do agree that Manny at the All Star Game would be great for ratings.  This is the entertainment biz, no publicity is bad publicity.  And again to side with David, people enjoy their contrived outrage.  Anybody notice the size of the Memorial Day crowd in Texas?  Wasn’t that all about coming to express your disdain for A Rod?  Never underestimate the pleasure of hating.

MooseinOhio
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MooseinOhio

Anything that rattles the cages of Lupica and Plaschke is fine by me.  I’d love to see Jason Whitlock, Stephen A Smith, Lupica and Plaschke on the Sportreporters discusing the issue – I think Whitlock could poke at Lupica enough to made his head spin and Smith would eat Plaschke alive.  That would be ‘must see’ tv.

Ryan
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Ryan

As a fan of a National League team, I will be voting for the players that give the NL the best chance at winning home field advantage.  This means I will be voting for Manny.

Wooden U. Lykteneau
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Wooden U. Lykteneau

“everything I say is abundantly substantiated”

Craig – why did you cut “by my own opinions and handpicked sources” from that sentence? That’s not a non-sequitur!

David
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David
Pete Toms:  Thanks for the support.  “Never underestimate the power of hate” is a good turn of phrase, but the sentence needs to be qualified.  All the hatred is fake, in my opinion. Ryan: Manny doesn’t give the NL a better chance to win.  All of his achievements are obviously the result of steroids.  Clearly.  Just look at A-Rod.  He sucks now!  (Sara K:  If I’m a wacko conspiracy theorist, then I’ve got some great company: Obi-Wan Kenobi!  I’m a huge Star Wars fans, and last winter I made this 10-minute video explaining how the whole Star Wars saga is,… Read more »
Tedge
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Tedge

Someone needs to start a rumor that the Twins are close to acquiring Miguel Tejada.They’re offering Glen Perkins and Wilson Ramos. The deal is contingent on Perkins passing his physical. The Astros should jump at that. Plus, I think Tejada would be good for one year (free agent after 09). I just want his name to get into Twins dialogue. Maybe we can have them throw in The Hawk.

MJ
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MJ

As a fan of a National League team, I will be voting for the players that give the NL the best chance at winning home field advantage.  This means I will be voting for Manny.

Don’t you mean Lastings Milledge?  Don’t let his demotion to AAA keep you from voting him to the ASG!

Sara K
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Sara K

@David: I’m glad you were nowhere nearby when Goldman was writing The Princess Bride. You’d have blown the whole plot out of the water!!

FWIW, I cast 25 votes for MR today.  What are the odds he dives for a ball into the MLB VIP box?

Jason @ IIATMS
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Jason @ IIATMS

Yes, Manny would drive ratings, but I can’t believe that Bud & Co. would trade any tenths of a share point if it meant that Manny would be there. 

It’d be a mockery of everything that Bud stands for.

Which is why I created the “Vote for Manny” site in the first place.

A confluence of all things comical about MLB: the wacky ASG rules, PED perceptions, Manny, fan voting.

David
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David

Sara K:

That’s a very impressive connection you made!  Most people can’t (or won’t) grasp the idea at all, let alone conceptualize it well enough to quickly make associations like that. 

I actually think that the ubiquity of “conspiracies” (in quotes because the very innocuous word has been idiotically given some crazy, incendiary connotation) in movies like Star Wars and The Princess Bride and tons and tons of other media have the effect of making people incapable of thinking that similar patterns could exist in reality.  Maybe.  I don’t know.

Wooden U. Lykteneau
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Wooden U. Lykteneau

14:57.. 14:58… 14:59… time’s up!

J.W.
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J.W.

Lyketeneau, Wooden U.—

ICWUDT. Clever.

Richard in Dallas
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Richard in Dallas
@David 1- “(For the record, I’m not a nut at all.  It’s obvious that I’m a crank (so were Edison and Ford) but I never lie and everything I say is abundantly substantiated.” Comparing yourself to Edison and Ford?  Really?  More evidence that you ARE nuts! 2- “So, what better way for MLB Inc. to drum up publicity then to once again rush off to the “steroids” well? It never runs dry, and fans genuinely love it.” Some fans may love it, but not genuinel, and not genuine fans….  And now, hpefully, the well WILL eventually run dry… 3- “Manny… Read more »
Sara K
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Sara K

David: Both my husband and one of my best friends are conspiracy theorists, so I am familiar with the territory.  FTR, I think all three of you are fruit loops, though I concede that MLB (or any other big business) is not above false moralization as a ploy to increase/maintain exposure/profits.

David
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David

Richard in Dallas:  Aren’t you supposed to be hanging out with Alex Rodriguez?  If he’s busy, maybe you can chill with Ian Kinsler and Josh Hamilton.  (I’d be busy hanging with my boys Miguel Cabrera and Justin Verlander, but they’re out in KC now.)

Sara K:  You’re right, the government’s great.  They never do anything malicious.  (And if they ever do, we know that nobody will ever point it out ‘cause then that person would be a WACKO!)

MooseinOhio
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MooseinOhio

I liked Fruit Loops but mom always bought Cheerios.

Sara K
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Sara K
Now, now, David. Of course governments everywhere have done and will continue to do cold-hearted things, and people who don’t realize that are fooling themselves.  All the same, that doesn’t make true everything you say about the government. You are probably right about a lot of things, and you are probably wrong about a lot of things. The thing I find fruit-loopy about the conspiracy theorist side of my peers is the tendency toward absolutism.  Their conspiracy theories are infallible, and anyone who disagrees with them –  or even questions them – is blind. When I ask them what course… Read more »
Sara K
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Sara K

Moose – I’ve tried calling people “Cheerios,” but it doesn’t seem to have the same impact.  wink

Richard in Dallas
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Richard in Dallas

@David

Can’t you come up with anything better than a ridiculous statement like that?  A reference to your idiotic rebuttal to a factual statement I made here several weeks ago?  Really?  GO AWAY, PSYCHO!!!!!

David
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David
Sara K: I’ve tested the patience of Craig (and any other mods) by straying off topic and saying some incendiary things.  So, I’d rather end the conversation about government murdering people (like putting three bullets in Pat Tillman’s forehead at point-blank range?) and other really depressing and troubling events. However, I want to say that, in my experience, it’s the mainstream media and the government lackeys who behave as absolutists and it’s the french fry-stomping, Dixie Chick CD-bulldozing, neo-cons who tend to be the real obnoxious absolutists. Moreover, somebody’s personality makes no difference when it comes to facts (or, for… Read more »
David
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David

Richard:

I asked you to leave me alone several weeks ago.  You sought me out and have been insulting and rude. 

Let me be clear: I have zero desire to communicate with you.  You’re as free as I am to write here, but if you’d like to not contact with each other, yes, I’m game.  Please leave me alone.

Sara K
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Sara K
Am I misinterpreting you, or are you implying that people who disagree with or question your stances are automatically people who “love the status quo and revere authority” and who “eagerly give away their honesty and morality for the benefit of them”? If so, that strikes me as absolutist.  People either agree with you or they are sheep, people are either radicals or conformists, and there is no middle ground. It could be that you are exaggerating to make a point. I hope that is the case. There is no “theory” about the results of medical research.  The theory comes… Read more »
Wooden U. Lykteneau
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Wooden U. Lykteneau

Funny how there’s no such publication as the New England Journal of Endocrinology? But, what do I know? I only worked for the Massachusetts Medical Society for nearly two years. Maybe it’s printed up by the same folks that put that sign on Jimmie Dimmick’s lawn?

David
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David
Sara K: I’m saying that there are facts and there is evidence, and that, whoever and whatever they might paint in a good or bad light, they are immutable.  In 2004, I was watching CNN during the daytime and they cut in to one of those police chases being filmed from a news helicopter.  The driver (who know what the poor fool had done) eventually realized he was done for and so he pulled the car over and got out.  Now, his wife and child were also in the car, and they immediately got out from their doors and rushed… Read more »
David
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David

Wooden:

God, are we going to go through this again?

Jesus, we went over this two three weeks ago.

Dammit, hold on while I go dig all this crap up all over again.

J.W.
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J.W.

Baseball?

R-E-S-P-E-C-T
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R-E-S-P-E-C-T

“No matter who Fruit Loopy I might seem (not to be confused with how certain other people are fruity), that’s just hard data. “

Fruity is a highly offensive and homophobic word choice in this context.

David
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David
‘Kay.  This is getting old.  In fact, this information is almost three years old, which is why I misquoted the name of the publication which printed the study.  It’s the “Journal of Clinical Endocrinology and Metabolism” (JCEM.org)  Okay?  The tests were done at the “New England Research Institute”.  Okay?  So I mish-mashed the two names.  ‘Newsweek’ magazine wrote about it: http://www.newsweek.com/id/44441 ‘Men’s Health’ magazine wrote about it: http://www.menshealth.com/cda/article.do?site=MensHealth&channel=health&category=sexual.health&conitem=a64b455ae9824110VgnVCM10000013281eac____ Here’s a Canadian article about a related phenomenon.  (Unfortunately, the link is now dead.  If you’d like a copy of the article, request it and I’ll send it to you.) The biostatistician… Read more »
RichardInDallas
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RichardInDallas

David,

I beleive it was ME who asked YOU to leave ME alone.  You exhibit many traits of a certifiable psychopath.  You disrupt logical discussions with crap that flies into that damaged brain of yours, and state fanciful thoeries as fact at the same time as you call other people’s actual personal experiences lies.  You are a sick man.  Get the help you need and leave us normal, rational people alone.

David
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David
Michael: I think that 99.9% of people would disagree with your claim that steroids doesn’t draw people into baseball.  Fans love to hate – and Americans do, too – and we’ve seen this time and again with Bonds and A-Rod (although nobody cares about white guys who use steroids, like Pettitte, Roberts, and Giambi).  I got screen-caps of MLB.com when Manny was suspended and it looked more garish then a used furniture store’s Thanksgiving Day sale front window.  MLB Inc. was ecstatic at the free press.  They lead off on ‘Sportscenter’, they commandeered all of sports radio, etc.  You can… Read more »
Craig Calcaterra
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Craig Calcaterra

Jeez—I disappear for a few hours . . .

Fair warning, David:  We are now, officially DONE DONE DONE with the subject of male testosterone levels. Kaput. Fin.  There’s no conceivable connection to anything we’ve discussed here, are discussing here, or will discuss here in the future. If the subject comes up in anything other than a thread about an actual ballplayer testing with elevated testosterone levels, I’m deleting it.  If you persist after a post is deleted, I’m going to rewrite your post with Kenny Rogers lyrics.  If you like Kenny Rogers, I’m going Manilow.

Don’t think I won’t.

MJ
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MJ
God, are we going to go through this again? Jesus, we went over this two three weeks ago. Yes, because you made inaccurate statements then, and you are making them again.  The biggest problem with your arguments is your specific choice of words.  For instance: What’s a “theory” about the New England Journal of Endocrinology reporting that American men’s testosterone levels have been systematically reduced at a steady rate of 1% each year Both articles said nothing of the sort.  Even Sara K mentioned it.  Possible causes are the increased use of pesticides and other aerosole products.  There is nothing… Read more »
Michael
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Michael

One thing a lot of people miss:

– Including Manny will not draw ONE set of extra casual-viewer eyeballs, outside of the people who had no idea he was suspended and just thought of him as that guy who made the Dodgers good.

The vast majority of people have a “don’t ask, don’t bore the hell out of me” attitude towards steroids.

Michael
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Michael

Oh, and to get the boot in one more time: the eyeballs Manny would draw are far fewer than those Fox would gain in “retiring” McCarver and Buck. People may not now from steroids, but they DO know annoying.

David
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David
MJ: First off, I was joking when I said A-Rod sucks for the Yankees.  It was sarcasm meant to deflate some of the pomposity of the steroid hysterics. Secondly, I was right – and you’re wrong – about the systematic drop in American men’s testosterone. 1. You’re saying that the articles do NOT say that men’s testosterone are dropping at a systematic rate of 1% per year?  You sure about that?  ‘Cus I put a quote up from one of their scientists that said precisely that.  ““We see about a 1 percent decrease per calendar year across men of the… Read more »
MooseinOhio
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MooseinOhio

Damn Craig – now I will be singing “I made it through the rain” to myself all day.

Wooden U. Lykteneau
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Wooden U. Lykteneau

Strangely, I have “Tin Man” going through my head. I have no idea why.

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