It’s time for THT Forecasts

Today, we’re launching the 2011 version of THT Forecasts, the next best thing to a crystal ball for understanding what’s ahead in the 2011 baseball season. Forecasts gives you weekly-updated forecasts courtesy of Oliver throughout the season, as well as weekly-updated playing time projections provided by our depth chart editors.

In bullet-point form, here are some of the things you’ll find on Forecasts:

{exp:list_maker}Oliver projections for the next six years for more than 9,000 major and minor league players. These forecasts include hitting, pitching and fielding statistics (the latter based on Brian Cartwright’s own play-by-play system), as well as wins above replacement (WAR) projections. You can read more about Oliver here.
Raw statistics for the past four years, including all the statistical categories listed above.
Major league equivalencies (MLEs) for the past four seasons, so you can see not just a player’s raw past statistics, but also how his numbers look adjusted for context.
Depth chart projections to tell you how much impact a player will make at the major league level this season.
More than 1,300 player comments from the best team bloggers on the internet, to give you a more subjective look at just about every player who matters.
A player watch list feature, so you can keep track of every player you care about on one page.
A fantasy value calculator that lets you set your league parameters, and tells you exactly how much each player is worth in your league.
Projected standings.
And all of the above, updated each and every week, from now until October.
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If you’re a fantasy player or just a baseball fan, there is no single better tool for understanding what’s to come than THT Forecasts. And best of all, it’s available for $14.95. If you’re ready to subscribe already, click this link. If not, feel free to browse around and see just how much Forecasts has to offer. We’ve made the player cards for the World Series champion San Francisco Giants free for your perusal, so you can take a look at what we have to offer before you subscribe.

It’s a sneak peek we know no baseball fan will be able to resist.

Using THT Forecasts

THT Forecasts offers a lot of features, so let’s take a tour around some of the most important ones.

Projections can be accessed in a lot of different ways on Forecasts. You can, for example, search for a player by typing in his last name in the search box on the left sidebar. If you type in “Greinke” and hit enter, you’ll be taken to a page that looks like this, where you can now click “View” to look at Zack Greinke’s player card.

At the top of the card, you’ll find our 2011 projection for Greinke, adjusted for his expected playing time. Since the season hasn’t started yet, you can see that his year-to-date numbers are all at zero, but overall we expect him to pitch 200 innings, going 13-8 with a 3.48 ERA*. Once the year starts, those numbers will start to change, and Forecasts will tell you both what we expect Greinke to do for the rest of the season, and what year-end line that should lead to.

*This article was written about a week ago, so some numbers referenced in it have since changed, and also of course Greinke’s projections will change when we update his team next week. We’ll have to update his player comment as well. Clearly, the Royals traded him at an inopportune time for THT Forecasts.

The next section on Greinke’s player card is his six-year Oliver forecast. This is a computer-generated forecast with no adjustments for major league playing time estimates. With Greinke, you can see that the computer is a little more optimistic about his playing time than our depth chart editors, penciling him in for 218 innings pitched in 2011.

The Oliver forecast is particularly good for two things: (1) You can see not just where a player is now, but how we expect him to develop over the next six years (with Greinke, for example, you can see that he’s projected to lose quite a bit of value between 2011 and 2016, going from 4.7 to 1.9 WAR), and (2) For players with no or minimal projected major league playing time, it gives you an idea of where they would be with roughly a full season’s worth of at-bats, rather than penciling them in for zeroes across the board.

After the Oliver forecast, we have a comment on Greinke, contributed by the fantastic Jeff Zimmerman, who warns fantasy owners to remember that with the Royals anemic offense, it doesn’t matter how good Greinke is—he’s still unlikely to contribute very many wins. (Note that player comments won’t be available for another week or two. We’re hard at work editing them right now.)

Following the player comment, we have three years worth of raw stats for Greinke. You can see how he progressed from merely very good to great before falling back last season. If you want to understand where his projection comes from, this is a good start. Better yet might be the Major League Equivalencies (MLEs) that follow. They’re not super useful for major league players, but for minor leaguers, they help put in context minor league statistics. Mike Moustakas put up some fantastic numbers in the minors last year, but as his MLEs show, that was equivalent to a .340 wOBA in the major leagues—slightly above average, but leaving much room for growth.

So that’s one way to use THT Forecasts. But there are many others as well. For example, I generally end up using the sortable leader boards instead. In the left column on the front page, you’ll find links to sortable batting and pitching statistics. Here’s what happens if you click on the “Sortable Batting” link.

The first page you are taken to is the “Rest of the Year” forecast leader board. This is exactly what it sounds like: These are our projections for the rest of the season, based on our playing time estimates as well as the Oliver projections. Right now, these will be the same as our “Full Year Forecast,” but once the season starts, this becomes an extremely valuable view for fantasy players looking to understand a player’s value for the rest of the year. Minor leaguers expected to get called up midseason will move up the rankings, while injured major leaguers will drop down.

This isn’t the only sortable view we offer, though. You can also choose to view “Year to Date” leader boards, which are pretty self-explanatory, a “Full Year Forecast,” which combines the “Rest of the Year” projections with “Year to Date” stats, and the “Oliver Forecast,” which is the computer forecast unadjusted for projected playing time.

What’s really cool about all these leader boards, however, is all the sorting and filtering options. Subscribers can filter the projections by position, league, organization and class. So let’s you’re a fantasy player in an NL-only league looking at catchers. You can choose to look at only National League catchers, and then, if you’re specifically looking for power, you can sort by home runs and see that we project Brian McCann to lead the NL with 22 homers. Or, if you’re a Red Sox fan, you can choose to select all Red Sox players, sort them by WAR, and find that Kevin Youkilis is Oliver’s favorite Red Sox, projected to accumulate 3.4 WAR in 2011.

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Better yet, if you’re one who likes to play around with numbers, you can download any leader board that you create into Excel by clicking the “Spreadsheet (CSV)” button. That means you can download all the hitter projections in one click, or just the projections for Orioles first basemen in Double-A. Feel free to play around with them to your heart’s content.

Like a good infomercial, however, we’re not done yet. There’s another option for viewing projections, and it’s one that I find myself using very often (available for no extra charge if you call in the next 15 minutes!). That’s the “My Forecasts” page, and it carries updated full year major league projections for only those players you care about. If you want to add a player to your watch list, all you have to do is click the “Save this player to your Player Watch list” button near the top of each player card. Your watch list is then accessible from any page on THT Forecasts—just hit the “My Forecasts” button, and you’ll have projections for all the players you care about on one page. I follow my favorite Red Sox players as well some top prospects, but for fantasy players, this is an extremely useful feature for keeping track of your fantasy team.

There’s one other feature I want to highlight in this tutorial, and that’s our fantasy value calculator. For fantasy players, there is no better tool on the web for valuing players year-round. Near the top of every Forecasts page, you’ll find a “Fantasy Price Guides” link. It takes you to a page titled “My Price Guides.” Click the “Create New Price Guide” button, and it will take you to a page that looks something like this. The page allows you to input your league-specific settings—number of teams, league, positions, positional eligibility requirements, statistical categories, and so forth. Then, all you have to do is hit “Save,” and the calculator will instantly give you dollar values for every player in baseball based on our projected rest of the season forecasts.

Not only is this tool going to be hugely helpful with your fantasy draft, but it will prove indispensable in-season as well. Since our forecasts and playing time estimates are updated weekly, you’ll be able to calculate rest-of-the-season fantasy values all year long, and that’ll give you a leg up when trading with your league mates and making waiver claims. No longer will you need to rely on outdated values, or try to guesstimate them based on updated projections. All you’ll have to do is press a button.

Moreover, you are not limited to creating just one price guide—you can create as many as you want and even edit them, and every price guide you create will be saved to your profile. If you play in five different fantasy leagues with five different sets of rules, you’ll be able to prepare for all five drafts with a minimum of hassle.

I hope that with this tutorial, you’ll be able to navigate THT Forecasts with a minimum of hassle. And as always, if something doesn’t make sense to you, feel free to e-mail our one-man customer service department (me) at
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A final note

If you’ve read this far, I hope you’ve already subscribed to THT Forecasts after seeing all it has to offer. If not, though, I’ll make one more plea. The Hardball Times offers something on the order of five articles a day for free, but that doesn’t mean there isn’t a cost to running the site. Besides things like server costs and licensing fees, we like to pay the writers a little something as well. We don’t charge for articles, and we believe in getting paid only for value-added content. If you’re on the fence about THT Forecasts, please consider that by subscribing you’re helping to support The Hardball Times, ensuring that we’ll be around for awhile to provide you with great baseball content five days a week, 52 weeks a year.


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Michael Bush
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Michael Bush

I am rather disappointed with the Oliver forecasts.

I have looked at the Reds players who I am pretty familiar with.  The young players (21 -24) don’t show any growth as they grow into their next 6 years.  Certainly this goes against all player development research.  Some won’t develop but most will show improvement.

At this point, I like the card but the Oliver forecasts as they currently exist are worthless and I feel like my money was taken.

robert.twining
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robert.twining

Good product and interesting layout.  I am missing the Washington Nationals.

Peter Jensen
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Peter Jensen
A big difference between Brian’s research and others is that he has researched players at many levels, not just those who stuck in the majors. Why would anyone study the aging of non major league players to predict the aging curves of players who reach the major leagues?  That is a bigger,but similar, mistake to Bradbury basing aging curves on those major leaguers who were still playing in their late 30s.  The main reason minor leaguers never achieve a major league career is that they DON’T keep improving after their mid twenties and those that get promoted to the major… Read more »
Dave Studeman
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Dave Studeman

Robert, looks like there’s a bug for the Nationals—very embarrassing.  We’ll get right on that.

Peter, I’ll ask Brian to drop by to discuss his aging methods.

Lee Panas
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Lee Panas

I signed up and received an e-mail confirming access.  However, every time I try to view something, it says I don’t have access to that page.  Is there something wrong with my account or does it take a while for the registration to kick in?

Lee

Dave Studeman
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Dave Studeman

Sorry you feel that way, Michael.  Brian’s research has found that batters peak at age 25, not later, and that they tend to stay flat between 23 and 27. A big difference between Brian’s research and others is that he has researched players at many levels, not just those who stuck in the majors.

We don’t want anyone to feel that we took their money.  Please email me (
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David Gassko
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David Gassko
Robert, The Nationals things is fixed. Peter, There’s no right answer here. Using only major league statistics biases aging curves in the same way that Bradbury’s study does, as it selects on players who were performed well enough to stay in the major leagues (and therefore were to some degree lucky). Including minor league statistics helps remove that bias, though it does introduce a potential problem if minor league players have different aging curves than major leaguers. We don’t know that they do, though. Lee, Could you please send me an e-mail? It looks like your payment may not have… Read more »
Toffer
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Toffer
Did THT ever get around to writing the articles that were promised to paying subscribers back in early March? Although I found that THT’s forecasts were pretty decent I would find it very difficult to subscribe again to a service that makes promises but then refuses to fulfil them (“Over the next few weeks…I will be writing articles which will examine some of the inner working of Oliver, measure its accuracy, and show leaders…I’ll do is test the accuracy of my projections for college players; that will be followed by a discussion of aging curves.” March 04, 2010 – http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/introducing-oliver/);… Read more »
David Gassko
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David Gassko
Toffer, I’m sorry that you feel that way. Brian puts a lot of work into putting together the Oliver projections, and since he also has a real-world job, that doesn’t leave him much time to write articles. Hopefully, he’ll find the time to give readers as much detail on Oliver as possible, but I can’t make any guarantees for another person. The only guarantees I am in a position to make are for THT Forecasts itself (since I run the thing), and those are embedded within this article. As for the Oliver projections, there have been a number of articles… Read more »
Mike R
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Mike R

I also am denied access to player pages.

David Gassko
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David Gassko

Mike,

Please try clearing your cookies and closing your browser. If you still don’t have access, please send me an e-mail (
) and we’ll get it figured out right away.

Ducat2,

Thank you.

Peter Jensen
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Peter Jensen
There’s no right answer here. Using only major league statistics biases aging curves in the same way that Bradbury’s study does, as it selects on players who were performed well enough to stay in the major leagues (and therefore were to some degree lucky). Including minor league statistics helps remove that bias, though it does introduce a potential problem if minor league players have different aging curves than major leaguers. David – If you mean that aging curves are difficult because players age differently you are correct.  But if you mean that the methodology behind Brian’s aging curves has just… Read more »
Dave Studeman
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Dave Studeman
Peter, I’ll let David and Brian answer your questions, but I have a question and a comment for you: – What HTML “overwriting” are you referring to?  I don’t know what that means, and I don’t see any problems on the page. – You are in no position to criticize our process. You did not experience our process.  You can see the output, and you have legitimate questions about it. But when you ask “aren’t you supposed to be adding some editorial oversight?”, you’re just being mean and not helpful. We want to have useful dialogue, provide better explanations and… Read more »
David Gassko
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David Gassko
Peter, Once more, I disagree on the aging curves. You seem to be conflating your opinions with fact—there is simply no one in the world who knows for sure what the correct aging curve for a major league player will look like. You say that Brian’s work on aging makes the same mistake as JC, but it’s actually you who is making that mistake. Looking only at major league statistics in creating an aging curve biases your results in much the same way as looking only at major league players with x amount of playing time, the only difference being… Read more »
Peter Jensen
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Peter Jensen
Both Davids – I apologize if you thought I was trolling or offering mean criticism that was not meant to be helpful.  What Brian is trying to do with his projections is truely a massive job and he deserves credit for even attempting it.  When David G. said that he “ran the thing” in response to a previous post, I assumed that the Forecasts were a collaborative effort, and that he and perhaps others were providing critical feedback to Brian to make the Forecasts the best possible product for THT to sell to its readers.  On my browser when I… Read more »
Dave Studeman
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Dave Studeman

Thanks for the feedback on the page, Peter.  We have tested the pages many ways and haven’t seen that.  What type browser, operating system do you use, and what is the size of your screen?

Does anyone else have “bunched up” code on the player pages?

Peter Jensen
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Peter Jensen

Dave – Explorer, Vista, 21”.

David Gassko
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David Gassko
Peter, Rest assured that Brian is writing up some explanatory articles and hopefully those will be up soon. Obviously, I can’t make any promises, but he does want to give readers a better understanding of what he’s doing with Oliver and I’ve been pushing him as well. As for the playing time projection, from what I understand (and I could be wrong), what Brian basically does is use some combination of a player’s weighted average playing time, his age, and his previous WAR. So the equation might look something like: x*Weight_Avg + y*WAR + Age Adjustment In that case, as… Read more »
Peter Jensen
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Peter Jensen

Not to pick on you guys but here’s another question that has me perplexed.  Pablo Sandoval played the entire 2009 season for SFN. He hit 25 HRs in 572 ABs.  How come his MLE has him hitting 28 HRs in 571 ABs?

David Gassko
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David Gassko

The AB thing you’d have to ask Brian about. As for HR, it’s likely because San Francisco is not a great HR park.

ducat2
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ducat2

The layout looks fantastic.  The effort the writers put into THT’s quality articles and features, all without compensation, is to be commended, not criticized.  I predict the $14.95 spent on the THT Forecasts will be well worthwhile.

Tom T
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Tom T

Really excited to view the projections, but I am also denied access to the page.

Just checked paypal and it indicates that payment was received. I’m sure it’s easily fixable, just really anxious to take a look at your projections! Thank you.

Toffer
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Toffer
David Gassko – I appreciate that the author has a full-time job but I just wish that THT would under-promise and over-deliver to paying customers rather than vice versa. Promising to publish an article in less than a week and then never doing so at all is slightly disrespectful, particularly since I had a fairly basic question that could have been answered easily. Could you link to some of the comparisons? The one I followed (Tangotiger’s Forecaster’s Challenge) THT/Oliver was not submitted. Either way, I did enjoy THT’s Forecasts last year and the additions look great but I really hope… Read more »
David Gassko
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David Gassko

I think that’s fair, Toffer, and I personally try very hard to make sure that any commitments I do make I know will be fulfilled. I do hope that Brian will have something up soon that gives some more color as to how Oliver works.

Here are some links pertaining to Oliver’s accuracy:

http://www.insidethebook.com/ee/index.php/site/comments/evaluating_the_2009_forecasts_chone_zips_fantastics_win/#12

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/projection-vs-projection/

Brian Cartwright
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Brian Cartwright
I am concerned when people can find issues with our published results, and I am looking into these. I do have further work to do on play time estimates (although we have depth chart estimates for current season MLB players), and I need to check the three year weighting for defensive projections. We’ve been having a discussion of the aging at Tango’s blog, and yesterday, in response to Mike Fast, I ran some numbers and posted a graph of the results. Further research today led to my finding a small adjustment which gets a resulting aging curve that I think… Read more »
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