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Pete Toms
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Pete Toms

“If these bonds don’t sell, however, it will end up having cost the taxpayers of New York a lot more than they bargained for.”

Hmmmm….are you certain about that?  Won’t it cost the Mets more $$$$?  Aren’t they responsible for paying back this money?

Craig Calcaterra
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Craig Calcaterra

You know, now that you mention this, I’m not certain of that, even if it felt right when I wrote it this morning.  If anyone has any info on this I’ll post an update (I’m kinda slammed at the moment and can’t track it down).

David
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David
At a website full of snarky humor, I find it amazing that nobody observed that during last night’s ‘Baseball Tonight’ on ESPN, when Olney and Plaschke were taking turns trying to see who could be more outraged at Manny, ESPN repeatedly ran commercials for…. ….Steroids!!! http://isitlowt.com/ These “Is it low T?” commercials are nothing but pharma ads for testosterone!  Once more, pathetic, modern American men prove that all their attitude and all their tough guy rhetoric is all just posing.  Of course, the good folks in the government and the pharmaceutical industry say it’s good for you, so we really… Read more »
Matt M
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Matt M

I’m not a financial guru, but, if I’m reading the story right, the bonds in question were sold in 06 at a fixed 5%, maturity date 2046. I.E., the bonds’ status has absolutely no bearing on either the team or the City (unless they’re still trying to issue bonds for a project that’s already complete, which doesn’t make sense). The bad news is for the people who bought these bonds last month and are trying to sell now.

Chipmaker
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Chipmaker
Duh! Steroids make one fragile and injury-prone. Junior must have been clean, because he kept landing on the DL due to being… so… fragile… and, um… injury- prone. … Oh dear. /snark Junior really has been getting a free pass, and maybe that is not only fair but absolutely correct, because he hasn’t been able to go yard while riding the pine. His career since leaving Seattle has been one long, inexorable slide down the mountain and into the sea. His peak HR output, which I don’t think tells us much of anything but is a popular talking point/metric with… Read more »
David
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David

Hey, at least with Griffey, they’re leaving one black guy alone.  Usually, the formula dictates that black or Latin guys receive endless outrage and hysteria from pathetic Americans, whereas whities are, well, just ignored.

Brian Roberts?  Andy Pettitte?  Troy Glaus? 

Etc., etc., etc. 

Nobody gives a damn about them.

kranky kritter
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kranky kritter

There’s one huge flaw in your other post about Manny coming back after the suspension to lead the Dodgers to a series title. It’s not just a suspension, it’s an opportunity all right. An opportunity for Manny to think. For two months.

As a longtime mannywatcher, I can tell you right now there’s AT LEAST a 50% chance Manny comes back doing his grouchy Greta Garbo routine. How do you suppose he’ll react the first road game he gets really booed at?

Craig Calcaterra
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Craig Calcaterra

kranky—good point.  Worth watching. I have to think that the fact that this team and his manager thus far seem to be behind him will help.  Also, isn’t the grouchy Manny usually trumped by the something-to-prove Manny? He was public enemy #1 around the time of the trade last year and look how he responded. Isn’t there a chance he comes back with an “I’ll show them” attitude in July?

kranky kritter
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kranky kritter

Oh, and don’t think Theo Epstein is not enjoying how clean his white shirt stayed when the sh!t hit the fan 3000 miles away.

kranky kritter
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kranky kritter
That’s a good one too Craig, you’re right about the “something to prove” Manny. And hey, to be fair, if there’s a player who could be telling the truth about it being an accident, it’s Manny. We need affirmative evidence of that to believe it though, I think. Show me the RX, mannhy. Anyway, one more thing. There is yet another side to Manny which arises from time to time,. and that’s the one to worry the most about. It’s the “I don’t need this aggravation” Manny. If the Dodgers are smart they find someone like Enrique Wilson to pay… Read more »
PB
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PB

after the ped issue blows over or gets put to bed…i can’t wait to see the hue and cry over genetic manipulation that’s going to be coming in the next several years…

the main stream media, whatever that means as things shake out…would be doing all of us a favor if they’d worry more about…you know…journalism.  facts.  information.  educating, even…rather than working themselves (and their target audiences) into ill informed, self righteous, and frankly ridiculous lathers.

David
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David
I agree with PB’s post 100%.  While here in America we’re dizzily working ourselves into this mania, in the Eastern countries (specifically China and India), man, it’s the Wild, Wild West!  They’re doing such mind-boggling things with drugs and germ-line engineering that, I mean, pretty soon we’re going to have a bunch of Easterners who run like Carl Lewis, think like Stephen Hawking, and work like Thomas Edison conquering us. But we won’t mind because there are no “steroids” in baseball!  Also, please don’t overlook my earlier post about how ESPN is running ads during ‘Baseball Tonight’ for pharmaceutical steroids. … Read more »
MJ
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MJ
@ David At a website full of snarky humor, I find it amazing that nobody observed that during last night’s ‘Baseball Tonight’ on ESPN, when Olney and Plaschke were taking turns trying to see who could be more outraged at Manny, ESPN repeatedly ran commercials for…. ….Steroids!!! http://isitlowt.com/ There’s a huge difference between low levels of testosterone and taking anabolic steroids.  Stop spouting out about this. Of course, because the government and other entities have, somehow, been systematically reducing men’s testosterone at the rate of 1% each year for the past 25 years, this is the greatest scam of all… Read more »
Richard in Dallas
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Richard in Dallas
Just like the day the Rangers took on the Giants to inaugurate interleague play, the baseball books as we know them have been changed forever. Although sad, it is something we will now have to live with. Al Capone was a gangster in 1920’s Chicago. He owned every illicit business going on in the second city, centered around bootleg whiskey. Try as they did, the Feds couldn’t make any of the mob charges stick to him, and finally had to settle for busting him on tax evasion charges. He was sentenced to prison and now, nearly 100 years later we… Read more »
tadthebad
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tadthebad

David,

    I don’t disagree with your overall point.  However, what about Mark McGwire?  Roger Clemens?  Pretty significant figures to be ignoring in making that point, no?

Richard in Dallas
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Richard in Dallas
@tadthebad I assume you meant to direct your questions to me.  I agree that it paints a really cloudy picture to overlook what we’re fairly certain, but not absolutely certain, the two guys you mentioned have done.  In fairness to those we suspect who are actually innocent, we have to assume that a lack of hard evidence, combined with a lack of a conscience on the part of a player that makes them unwilling to fess up, means they are not guilty.  If they really did it, but get away with it, they have to live with it.  If you’ve… Read more »
tadthebad
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tadthebad
Richard,     No, not directed towards you.  David mentioned Roberts, Pettite and Glaus.  Course, now that I’ve considered it further, David mentions guys who failed drug tests.  Than again, did they fail tests, or were they simply mentioned in the Mitchell Report?  Confusing.     However, in this instance, I disagree with your premise.  “In fairness to those we suspect who are actually innocent, we have to assume that a lack of hard evidence, combined with a lack of a conscience on the part of a player that makes them unwilling to fess up, means they are not guilty.” … Read more »
David
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David
MJ: I’m sorry if I linked to the wrong article.  There have been several studies showing that modern, pathetic American “men” are being assaulted by some entity – probably the government and the military, considering their joint love of eugenics and black ops – showing that testosterone has been being artificially lowered at a rate of 1% a year.  The prominent medical review, ‘The New England Journal of Endocrinology’ probably performed the most comprehensive study of the creepy phenomenon.  If that article was the wrong one, then just read this one: http://www.newsweek.com/id/44441 There is no difference between Joe Republican buying… Read more »
Craig Calcaterra
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Craig Calcaterra

David—please don’t take this the wrong way, but you are a profoundly weird person.

David
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David
Tadthebad: Funny you should mention Roger Clemens.  In a sense, his situation is, perhaps, the most egregious evidence of racism in this whole thing. Roger Clemens perjured himself for sure.  Perjury is difficult to prosecute, but his is that very rare case where it’s open-and-shut. Barry Bonds might have perjured himself if you interpret his testimony the way the government wants you to and if the government could prove that he was lying and if you can prove that his lie was of material importance to the case at hand.  (For the record, the government was poised to fail at… Read more »
David
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David

Craig:

I definitely won’t argue your judgment, but I think that the fact that our fertility and testosterone are being systematically assaulted (both men and women’s fertility is down considerably, too) is far bigger than some of my quirks.

(And if you think that the testosterone thing is creepy, try this on for size:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2E65WTxd1U )

Tom
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Tom

Congratulations Craig, you managed the bring in the strangest comment ever about Manny Ramirez and steroids in sports!

I’m in the military and a Republican David so does that mean I don’t need to worry about my testosterone level being lowered by 1% a year?

David
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David

Tom,

For better or for worse….no, you’re not being spared, either:

http://www.wlwt.com/news/13271378/detail.html

However, you have everybody worshiping you as their lord and savior, so I’m sure that that compensates for some of the lost testosterone.

But seriously, we’re all in this together.

tadthebad
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tadthebad

David,

    That’s not the point you made.  You wrote “Nobody gives a damn about them,”  ie. the white PED users in MLB.  That’s not the case.  If you meant that no one in the government cares, you should have written that.

Now that the federal government is controlled by Democrats, is my testosterone safe?  Why hasn’t Holder ended the Bonds prosecution?  Any Joe Democrats getting prescribed testosterone?  Any pathetic Democrats?  I’m under 35, do I still need to worry?  Is this a scheme for Dick Cheney to live forever?  Please advise.

David
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David

Tom,

(While I regret that I sometimes go overboard with snarky political comments (incidentally, I’m actually quite conservative myself, just a real Ron Paul conservative, not a phony George Bush, military-worshiping conservative) I do want to say that I honestly suspect – although I could never prove it – that Republicans (or, more specifically, neo-cons) are probably on the worse end of this stuff, considering that they’re the ones who need Viagra and they’re the ones who pathetically participate in this idolatry of the military.  Those are two signs of weak men, I believe.)

PB
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PB
well, david may be a little weird, but he’s also correct about some of what he’s written, and as he sort of says…you can look it up. the cognitive dissociation that goes on in our country is just…amazing. you’re a lawyer, craig, yes?  how is it that it’s unconstitutional for me to be forced to say things that may incriminate me…but, any old employer can, for cause or even no cause at all, require me to pee in a cup, and to use that against me.  isn’t the product of my bodily functions a little more personal and private than… Read more »
David
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David
Tadthebad: Do you seriously expect me to have all the answers about why American men’s testosterone has been systematically eradicated over the past 25 years?  Do you really think that I know why so many male babies are born with un-descended private parts that, basically, mean that they’re 25% female?  Do you honestly think that I know why American men can’t make love to women without Viagra?  Dude….I don’t frickin’ know the answers to this stuff!  It’s creepy and scary and, yeah, it’s <u>real</u>, but just because I’m honest enough to look at the information doesn’t make me an Oracle. … Read more »
Craig Calcaterra
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Craig Calcaterra
PB—the cold legal answer is that protection from self-incrimination is a constitutional right preventing the government from taking official action against you. Workplace drug testing is a simple workplace rule.  The former proection is there because you can’t easily stop being a citzen of the United States. With respect to the latter, you can thumb your nose at your employer and refuse to pee in a cup if you want to and then go live your life (only thing is, since you don’t have a Constitutional right to your job, they can fire you for it).  Different beasts altogether, is… Read more »
tadthebad
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tadthebad
David, No offense, you have the right to your opinions.  But how can you expect to write outrageous things and not be challenged on them?  The articles you referenced reported nothing about military black ops to systemically reduce testosterone levels in American men…sooo, what, I should take your word for it?  (Is your last name Roberts?)  Lots of attacks on Republicans and American men.  And everyone seems to be pathetic in your world.  Interestingly enough, much like Ms. Roberts, you seem to be throwing stuff out there to see what sticks.  Whatever floats your boat, I suppose.  But don’t make… Read more »
David
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David
Tadthebad: First off, I was only hypothesizing that it’s the government that’s engineering the systematic drop in men’s testosterone.  I think I made it quite clear up above that, no, I don’t know exactly who’s doing it.  (However, I can say with 99.9999% certainty that, whoever is doing it, it is being done by design, as the pattern of the drop off is far too precise and global for it to be an accidental side-effect of something.  If it were an environmental or cultural side effect, than the drop would be far less stabilized and their would be regions that… Read more »
David
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David

Here’s a link to the CBC documentary about the creepy, terrifying phenomena with modern young males and their biochemical androgenization:

http://www.cbc.ca/documentaries/doczone/2008/disappearingmale/

I was looking for the ‘Time’ magazine article about the average age for girls to have their first menstrual cycle (honestly, I can’t even remember the year), but I could not find it.  However, I’ve heard and skimmed over other studies which have confirmed the same thing.  So, if you really want to check it out, just work on Google and I’m sure you’ll find it. 

As I mentioned before, I can dig up more links, if you’re still skeptical.

Sara K
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Sara K
David – I’m no expert in this (and I really try to avoid straying from the main topic, so this will probably be the only time I post about this subject), but it was my understanding that the increasingly earlier average onset of menses was due to a parallel increase in average % of body fat.  As for the Men’s Health article that has apparently spooked you, the answer is in there.  It’s chemicals.  How many chemicals were on our crops and lawns 30 years ago?  How many chemicals were in our processed live-forever-on-the-store-shelf foods 30 years ago?  There is… Read more »
PB
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PB
no, craig.  that’s not democracy for you.  if it were…then the law would certainly be different. it’s the powers that be, for you…which is significantly different than what your answer was. and that’s the reality.  as a grandfather, with five grandchildren i have to look in the eye…reality and responsibility…and what used to be known in my heart as the american dream…are always there. what we’ve got now?  ####.  is it much different than fascism? in any event…thanks for the answer. here’s the thing i really have against the ped reportage… of the three legs of the stool…only one fell… Read more »
MJ
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MJ
@ PB For the love of all that’s holy, please…. stop typing…. like this….  It’s extremely difficult…. to read… However, I agree that the reaction from the MSM has been absurd.  Many, like Olney, professed only a few years ago that they were complicit in the steroid problem in baseball.  Many whispered that they heard rumors before ‘98 about the problem and did nothing.  someone really needs to speak out against the idea that ped’s make the game a farce. This may not be what you are looking for, but I really enjoyed Mike Schmidt’s view on PED’s MLB Article… Read more »
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