The Pirates need to pretend to go all-in

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The Pittsburgh Pirates need to make a big splash when they arrive at the Winter Meetings this December. I’m not talking about having a press conference or posting something on their website telling their fans that they are going to try hard.

No, they need to arrive at the meetings the same way Rodney Dangerfield arrived at Bushwood in “Caddyshack.” Pirates General Manager Neal Huntington needs to be driving a limo with a horn blaring “We’re in the Money,” and be a big tipper wherever he goes. He needs to point to every agent wandering around the lobby and say, “I’ll sign one of your players, and one of yours…” And if he sees Bud Selig he has to stop and say, “Last time I saw a mouth like that, it had a hook in it…”

OK, so maybe I’m taking the “Caddyshack” analogy too far…

The point is, the Pirates need to LOOK and ACT like they are big shots with money to spend. They need to at least pretend to be going all-in for 2011.

There’s a rumor that they are interested in a short term offer for Adrian Beltre. But that’s not enough.

I want Huntington saying loudly, publicly and on Twitter, “Hey! Cliff Lee! I got a contract for you. You too, Carl Crawford! Jayson Werth? I’ve got something Werth your time!”

He needs to hold press conferences saying “We are actively working on bringing Derek Jeter and Mariano Rivera to the Pittsburgh Pirates—where they belong.”

They need to constantly throw their names into the free agent mix and act like high rollers.

“But Sully,” you say. “How can the cheap Pirates, with the lowest payroll in baseball, possibly afford such an elaborate spending spree?”

Easy.

They won’t have to spend one cent.

Why?

Because no right-minded agent would send a top-tier client to baseball’s Siberia—Pittsburgh.

Cliff Lee? He’s heading to New York. A few unruly fans spitting on Mrs. Lee isn’t going to prevent the Yankees from reeling in the big fish. $125 million can buy a nice umbrella.

Carl Crawford? He’s going to be an Angel.
Jayson Werth? He’s a Red Sox for sure.
Paul Konerko? He’s going back to Chicago.
Jeter and Rivera?
Puh-lease, they are Yankees for life.

But the Pirates need to make offers to each of them, and make sure there is at least one reporter at each press conference who asks, on the record, “Did Pittsburgh contact you?” If nothing else, it creates the illusion that the Pirates are trying to make their team better.

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The Nationals have done this a few times recently. Did they REALLY think Mark Teixeira was coming to the Nats? Of course not—but at least they can turn to their fans and say, “We tried.” Now they’re throwing a hat into the ring for Cliff Lee, knowing damn well they might not even crack Lee’s “Top 29 Big League Destinations.”

The Culture of the Pittsburgh Pirates needs to change; the first step might be simply PRETENDING to change.

I read a Hot Stove preview for this offseason that said that the Pittsburgh Pirates are aiming to have a .500 team by 2013. Take your time, Pirates.

You haven’t put a MEDIOCRE team on the field since George Bush was President—the elder George Bush. There are kids in the Pirates minor league system who have no memory of Poppy Bush in office.

There are no acceptable excuses for why the Pirates are on the verge of going an entire generation without a .500 team. They can’t blame city support. Pittsburgh built them a brand new beautiful ballpark for them to suck in.

They can’t blame payroll. The Padres won 90 games last year with just $3 million more on the books than the Pirates. The delta between their payrolls was less than Kevin Correia’s salary. One contended until the last day of the season. The other was out of it by Memorial Day.

Yeah, a team can stink for a long, long time—but even blind squirrels like the Brewers and Royals found a .500 nut in the 2000s. Not Pittsburgh.

Teams like the Rays and A’s field competitive teams with low payrolls and good drafts. The Pirates have flopped in draft after draft, blowing #1 overall picks on Kris Benson and Bryan Bullington, and taking non-entities like Mark Farris, J. J. Davis, Bobby Bradley, John Van Benschoten and Brad Lincoln while passing on Tim Lincecum, David Wright, Prince Fielder, Chase Utley, Jimmy Rollins and Nomar Garciaparra (among others.)

They’ve made horrible trades, dumping players like Jason Bay, Nate McClouth and Freddy Sanchez in recent years when they had trade value. Who did they get in return? Andy LaRoche? Charlie Morton? Craig Hansen? Gorkys Hernandez?

How can teams like the Marlins be able to snag players like Hanley Ramirez, Dan Uggla and Ricky Nolasco from other teams while the Pirates can not even pick up a serviceable big leaguer?

Last trading deadline, the Pirates didn’t do their annual purging of veteran talent—because they didn’t have any!

And I don’t know where their revenue sharing money is going, but it clearly isn’t going into payroll, scouting or player development.

Let me put into perspective how bad things are for the Pirates—they haven’t been relevant since the 1992 National League Championship Series. The hard luck loser of Game seven was Doug Drabek. His son, Kyle, is now a prospect for Toronto.

That literally means a more effective way for the Pirates to rebuild would have been to take the 1992 team and put them out to stud.

The Pirates desperately need a .500 season if for no other reason than to lift that stigma off the team.

I know the Pirates have some good talent on their current team. And I know that Huntington is a better GM than his predecessor, David Littlefield. But let’s not go crazy—the Pirates are STILL the worst team in baseball, and .500 doesn’t look realistic until after the next Presidential election.

I am not asking to Pirates to scale the heights all the way to the World Series. Their Everest right now is having a team that doesn’t totally suck.

The first step is to LOOK like big spenders.


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Bob Lee
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Bob Lee

Wow. I hadn’t expected uninformed drivel at THT. Too bad it wasn’t funny.

Brad Johnson
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Brad Johnson
To be fair to the Nationals, they do have the money to spend, a large yet mostly untapped market, and truly believe they are 1 star player away from being a relevant team in 2012 (yes, ‘12 not ‘11). Making a splash for a player like Lee or Crawford could start a chain reaction with the Nationals creeping towards .500, the fans finally showing some steady interest, money flowing into the coffers, etc. Then they get back Strasburg, add another free agent, wait one more year on Harper…and bam, they have a full house, a motivated fanbase, and an 85-90… Read more »
Mark
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Mark

How was it uninformed?
What did he say that was wrong?

I agree with the Nats, but the Pirates have had since 1992… more than enough time to draft a team and trade for at least one good team

Mark
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Mark

I can appreciate pointed, well researched and well written critique of organizations. I can even appreciate some barbed humor in taking shots at current management and ownership.In the case of this article, it misses on every front.

Would love to see someone really put the work into trying to study the model the Pirates are using to rebuild from the bottom up, after years of trying to patch the top, the middle and the bottom. This article’s attempt was a swing and miss.

ecp
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ecp

Yeah, Brad, the Nats may have the money, but they are also delusional.

Brad Johnson
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ecp, It’s true that even a top offer to Lee or Crawford from the Nats probably wouldn’t be enough to coerce them into signing. However, the Nats do have the pieces in place to be able to say to them “we believe you are the key component to resurrecting our franchise.” They can make a unique offer to these top free agents – sign with us and we’ll not only pay you commensurate to your skills, but if you continue to play at this level you will make a place for yourself in history. Lee or Crawford might not be… Read more »
Mark
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Mark

How did it miss on every front?

Have they drafted well? Clearly not, they’ve wasted their first round picks over and over. And the guy showed his work

Have they traded their veterans well? Clearly not. And again, whoever wrote this showed that.

Clearly they are a team who keeps changing managers and changing strategies and nothing has seemed to work because they are still the worst team in baseball with no end in sight.

Plus I thought it was kind of funny

Brad Johnson
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Brad Johnson

I can’t tell if Mark is two different people or just schizo…

Mark
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Mark

It’s not mutually exclusive. We could be 2 people but I could be schizo

I thought the same thing.

I am Mark from Florida. Not sure who the other Mark is.

Mark (not in FL)
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Mark (not in FL)

There are two Pirates organizational models, the 1993-2007 model and the 2008 – present. I think that Joe Sheehan gave the fairest assessment, both good and bad, that I’ve seen written in years. The Pirates deserve no credit for what they did to this organization for 15 years, but to not understand what has taken place in the last three years is another thing.

Read this link to Sheehan’s article and tell me is you think it’s fair, accurate and on point.

http://rumbunter.com/2010/06/17/what-joe-sheehan-said-about-pedro-and-huntington/

Paul E
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Just guessing here, but, if you’re going to dump veterans like Nady, Bay, McLouth, Sanchez, Jack Wilson, and even Nyger Morgan, I believe you have to have a better return than merely reduced payroll. 105 loss seasons don’t really help increase your season ticket holder fan base….

thank god for revenue sharing

Brad Johnson
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Of course, of those players, only Nady, Bay, and McLouth had any real value at all. The Bay deal was a disaster, but Nady hooked them another decent role player in Tabata. It’s hard to criticize the Bucs for picking up a post-hype toolsy player like Milledge for Morgan (who’s really barely better than a 4th OF). I recall the Sanchez trade was universally considered a huge win until Tim Alderson fizzled this year. People criticize Huntington for not getting back more, but these were generally really mediocre players (aside from Bay). I doubt there’s a team in the world… Read more »
Mark
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Mark
And yet other teams can get at least serviceable big leaguers in trades and draft quality players in the draft. I find the whole “Hey Dave Littlefield was awful!” argument to be as tiresome as “Hey look at how bad Bush left the country.” We know… start turning it around. 3 years isn’t enough to turn the Pirates from a terrible team to a contender… but it is long enough to put a .500 team on the field. Right now the team is worse on the field than when Littlefield was in charge and even the most optimistic appraisals have… Read more »
Brad Johnson
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You have to have pieces with value to get returns via trade. Or you have to play the prospect lottery by trading for a toolsy long shot. As for the draft, I think that’s the whole point being made, Huntington has done pretty well for himself via the draft. If you’re tired of the Dave Littlefield was awful approach, you probably don’t appreciate just how epically terrible he really was. Huntington inherited a 25 man roster of mostly below average players and a farm system as barren as the Sahara. He has tried to rebuild via the draft and international… Read more »
Mark
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Mark
At the time Nate McLouth was 26 years old, coming off a Gold Glove season where he led the league in doubles and was a 20-20 HR stolen base guy. And a year and a half later, the bounty for a chip like that is two 26 year old pitchers who are awful and Gorkys Hernandez who MIGHT be good but hasn’t played a game above AA yet. Freddy Sanchez was a consistent hitter, albeit with injury issues, who gave pop in the middle of the infield. Jason Bay was an All Star that the Red Sox felt would be… Read more »
Brad Johnson
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The McLouth trade did seem light/rushed. I’ll agree with that. I will not under any circumstance allow that Sanchez was worth more than a declining Tim Alderson. Just sending Sanchez’s paycheck elsewhere was a heist. And while the Bay deal turned out awful, at the time it looked like they got a decent if uninspired return. The Red Sox held all the leverage in such a deal so it’s not surprising the Bucs were left wanting. I agree that Huntington has done poorly in the trade market, I think he’s hurt his own image with a willingness to take the… Read more »
Mark
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Wait a second? The RED SOX held the leverage in the Bay trade? That was a joke, right? The Red Sox were in a position where they HAD to deal Ramirez, which is why the Dodgers got him for practically nothing. People were killing the Red Sox giving up Ramirez plus other players for Bay. The Red Sox got a player who excelled in the 2008 post season The Dodgers got a reason to show up to the park The Pirates got hosed… like they get hosed in every other trade… like they pass on great players in the draft…… Read more »
Brad Johnson
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Ok I suppose I could have explained that part of it, but it’s a needless complication. Functionally it’s the same, the Pirates basically needed to deal Bay there. The fact that the Red Sox absolutely had to deal Manny did not improve the Pirates leverage with the Red Sox because that wasn’t their end of the deal.

The Dodgers had leverage on the Red Sox, the Red Sox had leverage on the Pirates, it’s not hard to see why the Pirates caught the light end of the trade.

Mark
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Mark
The Pirates could have let Bay walk and pick up two first round picks. That would have been more valuable than the junk they got back Either way, it’s funny how the Pirates keep getting the light end of a deal over and over again. I like the Pirates. I want to see them win. But when can the scouts say “Hey! There’s a good player we can get back for this chip”? Why does it always have to end “Well, I guess we have to get nothing back”? Other teams can get the Dan Ugglas and Carlos Gonzalez and… Read more »
Brad Johnson
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There’s a great deal of…shall we say luck…involved in getting a guy like that. In fact I would suggest that Huntington has tried to maximize his chances of digging up just such a treasure. Either his scouts have failed him or luck hasn’t swung his way. Dan Uggla was a Rule V pick and there was some talk of Cargo never being more than a 4th OF after his brief stay in Oakland. Again, we can say the scouting department needs to be improved, they’ve failed with luck, or it’s some combination of the two. Personally I applaud him for… Read more »
Mark (not in FL)
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Granted, the near term pitching is what has caused such horrible MLB results, but one can argue that no organization in baseball has three young arms with the ceiling of Taillon, Allie and Heredia.If they can be developed as well as Alvarez, McCutchen, Tabata and Walker were, this team is going to be good. I can’t think of the last time this organization was relevant from the bottom to the top. I think it’s getting pretty close to being able to say that. McCutchen, Alvarez, Walker, Tabata, Taillon, Allie, Heredia, Sanchez, Rendon (likely added this year),Colton Cain and Zack Von… Read more »
Mark
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Mark
Everyone has bad luck But when they NEVER get it right, you have to look beyond luck. The Padres can get quality players back for a broken down Jake Peavy but the Bucs consistently can’t even get someone to crack the worst 25 man roster in the bigs. Sorry… when it is always “Hey we were on the short end of the stick!” and “Getting good players is luck!” and “Look how bad things were 3 years ago!” it sounds like a lot of excuses and no responsibility is taken. The Expos put a winning team on the field in… Read more »
Mark
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Mark

To be fair Mark NOT in Florida, I agree that with some of the players on the field, they have at least the potential for a decent lineup.

But haven’t we heard this before?
Won’t Alvarez, Tabata et al be traded away for pennies on the dollar and we’ll just hear “Oh it is so hard to draft well”?

Again… I am ROOTING for the Pirates. I’ve liked the Pirates ever since they wore the Yellow helmets.

Brad Johnson
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Brad Johnson

Well Mark, I would say that’s when Huntington should be sent packing, if he can’t build a strong core and has to deal away Alvarez, etc. Honestly, I would leave it to the next GM to deal this round of prospects.

You can only applaud a process for so long, I think a GM who’s handed an organization as totally bereft as the Pirates should be given seven years to climb back within striking distance, especially if his plan of attack makes sense. Then ownership must assess whether the org will continue to grow or if it’s plateaued.

Mark
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7 years. OK… and I were ownership, you say to the Pirate fans “Hey! By 2014, we’ll be in striking distance!” Thanks for waiting 22 years for a winning team. There would be 30 year olds in Pittsburgh with no real memory of a relevant Pirate team. And you can look to teams that have worse stadiums, smaller revenues, less passionate fanbases and horrible foundations turn things around in 3 or 4 years… but the Pirates will take nearly a quarter of a century to put a mediocre product on the field? Again, the article isn’t talking about a World… Read more »
Brad Johnson
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But they don’t want a .500 team, they want a playoff contender. It’s easy to get to 81 wins, even on a tight budget. It’s much tougher to get to 94 wins, especially with that tight budget. If Huntington could pull a Hendry and just engage in a spending spree, it would be much easier. Maybe the article isn’t talking about a playoff team, but it should be. Fighting for .500 is a futile exercise. It’s relatively rare for a GM to inherit an empty franchise. I think the comps you need to be working with are teams like the… Read more »
Mark
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Mark

“It’s easy to get to 81 wins, even on a tight budget”

Evidently it isn’t

Mark
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Mark

The Royals at least had a contending season in 2003.

Royal fans who are younger than 30 have a memory of an exciting season.

The post 1993 Phillies are a great example because they had 13 out of 14 losing seasons… but that one winning season was a trip to the World Series.

For the sake of building at least some positive memories for the fan base, as the children born in 1992 are at the legal age of consent, to put SOMETHING on the field that isn’t god awful?

Paul Francis Sullivan
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Paul Francis Sullivan

For the record, I am enjoying reading all of these comments.

Brad Johnson
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Brad Johnson
Now you’re just being contrary. What I mean is it’s easy to get to 81 wins if that’s your goal. You go out and sign league average free agents, trade buckets of prospects for guys like Prince Fielder who will be gone before you know it and poof, you get some 80-83 win seasons without ever having the chance to break the 90 win ceiling. If you want to get to 94 wins and you’re handed a futile franchise with perhaps one quality player and a no-more-than-$60-million budget, the only plan of attack is to target some draft picks in… Read more »
Mark
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Mark

They HAVE been drafting in the 1-5 range! And I am not ready to bust out the champagne and congratulate them on their success until they have developed some steady big leaguers.

Alvarez is a start but even he has only 1/2 a season more in the bigs than my dog.

Jer
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“The Pirates have flopped in draft after draft, blowing #1 overall picks on Kris Benson and Bryan Bullington, and taking non-entities like Mark Farris, J. J. Davis, Bobby Bradley, John Van Benschoten and Brad Lincoln while passing on Tim Lincecum, David Wright, Prince Fielder, Chase Utley, Jimmy Rollins and Nomar Garciaparra (among others.)” Wow. Kris Benson, Mark Farris, JJ Davis, Bobby Bradley and John Van Benschoten all happened two General Managers and several scouting directors ago. Bullington and Lincoln happened on Littlefield/Creech’s watch. The Pirates can rebuild through the draft and have been doing a fairly credible job doing so,… Read more »
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“I agree that Huntington has done poorly in the trade market.” Ehhh…more of a mixed bag. The Bay trade gets bad reviews, and perhaps deservedly so, but it was his first big trade, and there are players that are still in the Pirates’ system. That stinker of a trade the Marlins made for Cabrera and Willis(with Larry Beinfest and Michael Hill as co-GMs, apparently) was much worse, considering the caliber of player they gave up in Miguel Cabrera now vs. the caliber of player that is Jason Bay now. The Nady trade was good…nay, great.  Everyone thought the Sanchez deal… Read more »
Matt Bandi
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“They’ve made horrible trades, dumping players like Jason Bay, Nate McClouth and Freddy Sanchez in recent years when they had trade value. Who did they get in return? Andy LaRoche? Charlie Morton? Craig Hansen? Gorkys Hernandez?” This is an incredibly misleading paragraph.  You can make any point you want, if you simply throw out a bunch of cherry-picked names as evidence.  The Pirates received some quality players in those trades, none of whom are mentioned for some reason.  And do people not realize how poorly Bay and McLouth played in 2010? It is also weird that the Nady and Dotel… Read more »
Mark
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Mark

Matt, can you please tell me how many serviceable major leaguers were acquired in the Jason Bay, Nate McClouth and Freddy Sanchez trades?

Matt Bandi
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Matt Bandi

Sorry, worded that poorly.  They received quality minor leaguers for Bay and McLouth, players who have a chance to impact the team in 2011 or 2012.

jobu
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@Mark

i would rather have charlie morton, jeff locke, and gorkys hernandez than nate mclouth. bucs sold high. B+

bay trade defintely looks bad, but bryan morris could salvage some value. D

alderson for sanchez looked ok at the time, aldersons velocity took a big hit last year. he is still only 21 so there is time for him to improve. jury is still out C

nady and marte for tabata, ohlendorf, karstens, d. mccutchen. tabata projects to be a .300/.360/.450 solid defender in LF. ohlendorf is a very decent #3/#4 pitcher. big fat A+

Mark
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Mark
As I said… I am a Pirates fan. And I’ve heard the song and dance before of HEY! We got a great draft and if you just wait 4 years, maybe 3 of them will be Pirates long enough to be traded for 5 cents on the dollar. I’m not ready to celebrate the brilliant work of Huntington building the worst team in baseball, trading away veterans for junk and having people say “MAYBE by 2020 you’ll have a watchable product.” Meanwhile the Tigers can go from 119 wins to the World Series Meanwhile the Marlins who DIDN’T EXIST in… Read more »
Mark
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Mark
Jobu, I assume that was a joke about the McClouth trade. He was a solid young trade chip They got Charlie Morton who is dreadful and on the wrong side of 25. And they got Locke who was good at Single A. They got Hernandez who was OK in Double A. How can I possibly give a trade an B+ when none of the players are contributing on the big league level. I’m a Pirates fan. I’ve seen a lot of players put up good numbers in AA and never produce in the show. Bobby Bradley anyone? Oh remember how… Read more »
Matt Bandi
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Mark, None of those teams were put together overnight.  Here are the best players on the teams you mentioned that reached the World Series. Tigers – Reached World Series in 2006 Carlos Guillen – acquired in trade before 2004 Brandon Inge – drafted in 1998 Curtis Granderson – drafted in 2002 Ivan Rodriguez – signed as a free agent before 2004 Jeremy Bonderman – acquired in trade in late 2002 Justin Verlander – drafted in 2004 Marlins – Won World Series in 2003 Ivan Rodriguez – signed as free agent before 2003 Luis Castillo – signed as an amateur free… Read more »
Mark
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Mark

OVERNIGHT?

We’ve been waiting 18 years!
I can sleep with a girl who was born in 1992! (OK, my wife might object)

And your chart kind of makes Huntington look WORSE

You have a bunch of players all acquired within 3 or 4 years of the pennants… and going into the 4th year of Huntington I am supposed to praise him for…….?

I’ve heard “It’s a great draft” already
Until they become big league players, this is Littlefield Part 2

Matt Bandi
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Matt Bandi

“We’ve been waiting 18 years!”

I thought we were talking about Huntington? He’s been around for 3 years.

“You have a bunch of players all acquired within 3 or 4 years of the pennants”

There are also several players acquired 5, 6, 7, 8 years beforehand.

Mark
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Mark
We Pirate fans have been waiting 18 years… And so far Huntington has shown that at BEST he is subpar at trading players, his draft picks are unproven and he has made a bad team worse You will forgive me if I am not going to praise him until he does ANYTHING Having a club that only loses 89 games would be a nice step in the right direction. Now do you see this team NOT losing 90 games in 2011? OF COURSE they are going to lose 90 games in 2011. So that will be 4 years of dreadful… Read more »
matt w
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“I guess I am crazy to think that in 3 years the team wouldn’t be WORSE than when he found it.” Mark, you should look at the following article by Charlie Wilmoth: http://www.bucsdugout.com/2009/9/25/1055104/on-the-chance-of-losing-110-in-2010 He points out that as far back as 2007, it was obvious that the Pirates would be horrible in 2010, because Littlefield had constructed a time-bomb of a roster. Almost all the key players were scheduled to be free agents in 2010, and there were very few decent minor leaguers on the way to replace them. So yeah, it’s crazy to think that Huntington would’ve been able… Read more »
Mark
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Did I say they got two 26 year olds for McLouth? If I did I was wrong. I know who they got… the future. The same future that’s been sold to us since Barry Bonds left. Look, I know it is chic to look down on fans as silly and reactionary and I guess you are saying that “Hey, you’ve sucked this long. What’s 5 more years?” But it will be 1/5 of a century that the Pirates haven’t been able to be mediocre. And I’m sorry, I am so sick of hearing about “this prospect will be good” and… Read more »
matt w
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Hey, I’m a Pirates fan too. I wouldn’t care about this if I weren’t.

Anyway, Peavy >> McLouth. McLouth was one of the worst players in the majors this year, when he was in the majors.

Mark
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Mark
Hindsight being 20/20 about McLouth At the time he was a young All Star with power, speed and a gold glove. That is worth… oh I don’t know… ANYTHING Yeah yeah yeah, I know. We got some GREAT minor leaguers. I’ve heard this story since the great rebuilding of 1993. Until I see some results, this is the same old story: They’ll stink… they’ll develop 1 or 2 decent players… they’ll trade them for 30 cents on the dollar… they’ll whine about how hard it is to reach .500 (even though teams with smaller payrolls find a way to win.)… Read more »
john
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john

who gave the troll an article?

Mark
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Mark

It’s all moot… they are in rebuilding mode #5 and I guess I am in “I won’t get excited until I see some results” and “Worst team in baseball with no hope for the next 2 seasons” doesn’t qualify as results for me.

I would love to be proven wrong.
But I’ve been burned too many times

ADam
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ADam

Great post. Thanks. I’ve been fooled by the Pirates too. Stop the hurt!

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boys & girls, the pirates have had 4 winning seasons in 27. winning average: .148 eddie gaedel’s on-base per centage: 1.000 last pirate manager with a career winning record: chuck tanner though i wonder about huntington’s intelligence—the colorado catcher & blue jay twixt, (no one in the pirate front office understands what that means even now)—, it is a bit comforting to believe that the organization’s philosophy won’t necessarily be a roach on a hot plate. the scouting staff remains as it has, with replacements due to death, not lack of actionable observations. the head of the scouting has changed… Read more »
Francis
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Francis

And here I thought this was a knowledgeable website…

Mark
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Mark

So Francis, I take it you think the Pirates were a good team and run well?

Dave G
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Dave G

It could be worse Pirates fans.  You could be the Cubs or the current Astros with the worst farm system in all of baseball.  I bet Tim Purpura ranks right up there with Littlefield.

Mark
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Mark

Sorry… I would LOVE to have had the Cubs luck since 1992.

They’ve made the playoffs and had exciting teams.

The Astros? They won a pennant!

Nick Jonas was born the same year Francisco Cabrera got that hit and he’s already over the hill

Brizzle
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Uhh Mark your just a miserable old fan who is fed up with all the losing its understandable…But you really have no clue what your talking about in terms of what is going on today…How can you say that the Nate McLouth trade was bad? he couldn’t even stick in the majors this year, apparently Neal and Frank knew that he wasn’t as good as believed and shipped him out at the perfect time, oh and we didnt get back “two 26 year old pitchers” for him, Charlie Morton was 25, Gorkys Hernandez was a top 10 prospect and still… Read more »
Mark
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Mark
“How can you say that the Nate McLouth trade was bad?” It is incomplete. When the trade was made he was a young player coming off of a Gold Glove season with power and speed. As for the prospects… fine. If they pan out, then great. If they pan out then I will be the first to sing Huntington’s praises. But I’ve heard this song before. I’ve seen lots of prospects. I will declare it a good trade when they come through. But I think we can all agree it can at best be labeled “Wait and see.” “Are you… Read more »
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